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Officiating was terrible

Crimedog2

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It was terrible all-around for the Wisconsin-Duke and Wisconsin-Kentucky games. I didn't watch much of Duke-MSU so i can't comment on that. These are supposed to be the best officials in college hoops? It baffles my mind that they can watch replays and still blow calls, like the one going off of Duke last night and what should have been a flagarant on Kentucky.
The blown shot clock call going for Wisconsin was another disaster. Overall, lots of head scratching calls throughout the weekend.
It makes you wonder how bad the officiating is for a lowly non-conference game in December if this is the NCAA's best officials on display.
 
The Duke player stepping out of bounds with a couple of minutes to go 2 blatant charges on Duke. the other thing they do not call which was both teams were illegal screens which guys were setting all night.
 
The challenge for College Refs is that they all are independent contractors...and most try to ref a game each and every night if they can (i.e. 19 games in 23 days like one well-known official), another ref who did 2 games on the same day even though they were 185 miles apart, they receive almost zero constructive feedback by conf supervisors (some emails, almost zero in-person instruction) since they are doing so many games...there is very little if any time for "educating" them to perform better.

Should NCAA hire them as "employees" for 5 months or so and then they would be limited to number of games and/or add in-season instruction?

Here are just a few articles on how refs try to jam in as many games as possible.

Have whistle, will travel: Are college basketball referees working too many games?


After spending three consecutive days as the color analyst for ESPN's broadcast of the Maui Invitational, Jay Bilas decided to give himself a break.


He wouldn't immediately fly back home to North Carolina. Instead, he would give himself a chance to recuperate.


"The Maui tournament always ends the day before Thanksgiving,'' Bilas said. "I stayed on Thanksgiving day so I could sleep in and spend the day in Maui before taking a red-eye back on Thanksgiving night. I turned on the TV in my hotel room and one of the officials that did the Maui final on Wednesday was doing a game in Orlando. I was still blurry-eyed in Maui and he's in Orlando.

See link for complete story:
http://blog.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2012/02/have_whistle_will_travel_are_c.html


College basketball refs are challenged to stay sharp amid stress of travel, high-pressure work

Mike Eades officiated a late-night, Big Ten showdown between Michigan and Indiana this season, and early the next afternoon was 900 miles away calling a game at Connecticut. John Gaffney? He called two Big East games 185 miles apart - on the same day. And then there is Karl Hess, who refereed games 22 of the first 23 days of the season, including 16 straight.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/03/01/college-basketball-refs-are-challenged-to-stay-sharp-amid-stress-travel-high/
 
Officials need to be paid more, and more regulation on number of games in a given period (like pilots have on number of flights). It would make complete sense to me to triple their pay or more if their shifts were reduced, and there was more accountability for poor performance.

It's not like conferences aren't bringing in enough money to pay them.

The end of last night's game reminded me of watching women's college basketball with the consistency of ref screwups.
 
The travelling and schedule is not an excuse for the officials in this case. They were just bad.

None of these officials had reffed a college basketball game for many days before the final. They had plenty of time to get mentally ready for this one.
 
Originally posted by RUChoppin:
Officials need to be paid more, and more regulation on number of games in a given period (like pilots have on number of flights). It would make complete sense to me to triple their pay or more if their shifts were reduced, and there was more accountability for poor performance.

It's not like conferences aren't bringing in enough money to pay them.

The end of last night's game reminded me of watching women's college basketball with the consistency of ref screwups.
There is almost zero accountability during the regular season, especially since refs are not NCAA or even Conf Employees.

One of the last time I remembered refs were reprimanded/suspended was several years ago in the Big East Tourn when that one group of 3 just turned into the Keystone Cops during the last few moments in one game (Conf cancelled their remaining games in said tourn).
 
Originally posted by Wolv RU:
The travelling and schedule is not an excuse for the officials in this case. They were just bad.

None of these officials had reffed a college basketball game for many days before the final. They had plenty of time to get mentally ready for this one.
Understood...but its their busy schedule during the regular season that leaves almost zero time for "coaching/educating" by their superiors.

All refs should try to "improve" their game...but when there is almost no time for that during the regular season...yes, those Final Four refs were "rested" but maybe they didn't receive much/any personal in-person feedback/coaching during the regular season...which might have helped them to improve their own game.
 
Officials are often the scape goat when a team loses.The reality is that Wisconsin lost because they failed to score down the stretch while the Duke guards made big shots.
 
Replay in College Basketball is a joke since the same official who blows the call is entrusted in reviewing the play & getting it correct, thus they have to admit that they made a mistake if they overturn the call. In College Football an official, not part of the officiating crew on the field, reviews the play & determines if the call was correct.
 
There is too much money in the game for these guys to be part timers. They need to be professional refs.

This was the worst officiated final four I have ever seen.
 
Originally posted by RU-JMM78:

Officials are often the scape goat when a team loses.The reality is that Wisconsin lost because they failed to score down the stretch while the Duke guards made big shots.
Officials end up becoming part of the reason a team wins or loses when two teams are evenly matched in a given game. If, in a perfectly called game with zero errors, the two teams would have been within 1-2 scores of one another, then unbalanced officiating errors will almost certainly be the difference in the game.

In last night's game, Wisconsin was ahead and Duke made a run - which happens in almost every game. Duke made some great changes on offense and defense to account for Okafor's foul trouble, and Wisconsin struggled to adapt - and struggled to make shots down the stretch.

Even so, though, a portion of Duke's run (and the success of their guards) was based on a string of bad calls over a short period late in the game, which made the hill that much steeper for Wisconsin

Not all games come down to bad calls, but some do. This one was impacted by bad calls going in one direction, and it lessened the game because of it. What was an great, exciting game was tarnished by inconsistent officiating at the end. I can't say Duke wouldn't have won anyway, but it just feels somewhat like I don't know who would have won if the playing field had been level.
 
Originally posted by RU-JMM78:

Officials are often the scape goat when a team loses.The reality is that Wisconsin lost because they failed to score down the stretch while the Duke guards made big shots.
In most cases I would agree with you, but not in this case. The refs put Duke on the foul line almost immediately in the second half, because Coach K. is one of this biggest whiners in the game and the officials are intimidated by him. I watched that entire game, and the calls that weren't called against the Badgers in the first half were suddenly called in the second half and it wasn't even subtle. Yeah, the two kids on Duke drove more to the basket, but they initiated the contact. The Wisconsin players stood straight up just like they did in the first half, but this time those were called fouls, where in the first half, it was either a non-call or a foul on one of the Blue Devils.

Also, there were so many missed calls. It seemed every time Wisconsin brought the ball up the court and Duke player was hacking him up and to half court. I counted at least five of those blatant fouls that weren't called. Second, Okafor should have fouled out of the game on several occasions long before the closing minutes of that game. One call that wasn't called in particular was when he hacked Kaminski across the arm with about 4 minutes left in the game. Kaminski should have gone to the FT line for 3. Instead the refs missed the call and Duke quickly rebounded the ball and threw it to the other end for an easy layup. How they missed Winslow stepping on the line is beyond puzzling when the ref is looking down at that area of the floor. Also, how they missed Hayes' layup AFTER the 35 second clock had expired is a real head scratcher. And to not get the call right with the ball going off of Winslow's fingertips is nothing short of disgraceful especially at the crucial point in the game. And another call when it was when I believe the kid Grayson on Duke drove down the LEFT SIDE, initiated contact and threw up the ball with no intention of trying to score and then getting two FT's.

Stats don't lie and Bo knows stats. The Badgers gave up the fewest fouls of ANY team in college BB. But when they play Duke suddenly the fouls are lopsided in favor of Duke? Why is that? We know why. Coach K. is royalty and whines like a little pussy-boy and gets the calls. That's why Duke is so HATED by all of the other schools and coaches. Sure they respect Coach K.'s program, but it's one thing to play 5 on 5. It's another having to play 8 on 5 and that's why Bo was right to criticized the piss poor officiating. I really hope that Delany gives the NCAA committee an earful today because they deserve it for allowing such shitty officiating in the Final Four and frankly in the entire tournament.

And yes I give credit to the two freshmen guards in the second half. They came up big when it counted, and Dekker for Wisconsin came up small and IMO one of the real reasons this game ended up so close. If Dekker played even 80% of what he had played in the entire tournament, Wisconsin wins this game going away.

I HATE THE ONE AND DONE PLAYERS, SO I HATE THE NBA RULE. That rule needs to be changed. If kids want to go straight to the NBA from HS then fine. But if they make a commitment to college, the rules need to change that they stay in school at least 2 years and preferably 3 years.

As for the piss poor officiating, which it was, I think the NCAA needs to hire the officials full time; they need a head official; and in tournament games whether in conference or the NCAA tournament they need a separate official in a booth who is impartial to call the instant-replay. I also think that just like college football, each coach should have one challenge and if they're right, they keep that challenge and if they're wrong they lose that challenge.
This post was edited on 4/7 5:56 PM by RU MAN
 
Was anyone else surprised to see Pat Driscoll working the final? Pat is the ref that looks like Gilligan. We have seen him for years as he was doing Big East games (not sure if he is working new BE games) and now B1G games and Pat is just terrible, the game just moves too fast for him and he can't see the floor like he needs to. I do think Pat is fair meaning he is bad both ways and does not play favorites (even at RU games where we are almost always the "nobody" coach to Pitino, Boeheim, Calhoun, Ryan, Izzo....) but in the NCAA final game there was no way Pat was going see, much less stop, the off-ball pushing/holding that Duke was using.

From the opening tip Duke immediately started pushing Dekker off the ball which I felt should have been called a number of times. Unfortunately for Wisc Dekker folded like a house of cards.

I did not recognize the other two Refs, but I can't begin to imagine what system lets Driscoll get the final game assignment.

Pat is in no way comparable to Burr or Higgins; their entire careers (not just the BE Tournament debacle) has earned them a special place in hell if it were up to me!!
 
When is the last time in an NCAA tornament game that Dook has attempted fewer free throws than their opponent? I have no idea, but I bet it's been a long time. They attempted 21 more free throwns than MSU in the semis.
 
Originally posted by LC-88:
When is the last time in an NCAA tornament game that Dook has attempted fewer free throws than their opponent?
In this year's 3rd Round Game vs San Diego State....Duke attempted just 2 FT's all game long.
 
Originally posted by Knight_Light:

Originally posted by LC-88:
When is the last time in an NCAA tornament game that Dook has attempted fewer free throws than their opponent?
In this year's 3rd Round Game vs San Diego State....Duke attempted just 2 FT's all game long.
Yep. Duke shot 2 FTs, and SDSU shot 11 in that game. That was likely the lowest number of attempted FTs in the whole tournament. I checked back through the games from the Sweet 16 on, and the next lowest combined total was 26 (twice as many total fouls).

Didn't watch that game, but it appears the refs had pretty much swallowed their whistle. Interesting, though, that even in that game, Grayson Allen had 4 of the 20 total foul calls all by himself in just 9 minutes... and had 0 against Wisconsin in 21 minutes. Interestingly, in his prior 10 games combined, he was averaging 1.8 fouls every 10 minutes played but managed to avoid the whistle entirely in the final.
 
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