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Open Scrimmage Stats: Watched Video and Kept Score

lion1983

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So ... in between watching various NFL games (including my beloved Vikings win again), I watched the YouTube video of the open scrimmage on Saturday that osmeone posted today. I watched it like I was watching a real game, and kept score for each player.

I kept score for each player by each "half", but then combined each player's total stats for one "box score" for each player.

Here it is:

Presumed Starters:

Harper
: 15 points, 3 reb, 6 ass, 1 TO, 1 Stl, 1 BS, 6-12 fg (1-5 from 3), 2-2 FT

Bailey: 15 points, 10 reb (2 offensive), 2 ass, 4 TO, 0 stl, 1 BS, 7-14 FG, 1-5 3 pt, 0-0 FT

Williams: 8 points, 2 reb (1 offensive), 2 ass, 4 TO, 0 stl, 0 BS, 4-8 FG, 0-2 3 pt, 0-0 FT

Ogbole: 8 points, 1 reb (1 offensive), 0 ass, 2 TO, 1 st, 1 BS, 3-8 FG, 2-4 FT

Martini: 2 points, 3 reb (1 offensive), mo other stats, 1-2 FG, 0-1 3 pt, 0-0 FT


Presumed Reserves:

J. Davis:
11 points, 3 reb (2 offensive), 3 ass, 2 TO, 0 st, 0 BS, 4-7 FG, 0-1 3 pt, 3-4 FT (the articles said he had 13 points and 5-6 FT - but I had him 3-4 FT, with Sommerville 2-2 FT - the articles must have assigned those 2 FT's to Davis)

Hayes: 8 points, 1 reb, no other stats, 3-3 FG, 2-2 3 pt, 0-0 FT

Sommerville: 6 points, 2 reb, 0 ass, 2 TO, 0 st, 1 BS, 2-6 FG, 0-0 3 pt, 2-2 FT

Derkack: 4 points, 1 reb, 0 ass, 3 TO, 1 st, 1 BS, 2-7 FG, 0-3 3 pt, 0-0 FT

Grant: 3 points, 2 reb, no other stats, 1-2 FG, 1-2 3 pt, 0-0 FT

Dortch: 4 points, 2 reb (1 off), 0 ass, 1 TO, 0 st, 0 BS, 2-2 FG, 0-0 3 pt, 0-0 FT

Miscellaneous Team Observations:

1) Not surprisingly, likely due to not even the 1st full week of practice plus mixing and matching lineups, the team looked sloppy - too many careless pass turnovers, sloppy with ball handling turnovers. The 3 point shooting was basically non-existent, except for Hayes (well, they took 3 pointers, but mostly missed). One 28-minute helter skelter scrimmage is way to early to judge anything, of course, including shooting.

2) Either line-up looked the smoothest with Harper triggering the offense (duh!) - smooth and lots of open shots available for him and others.

3) The offense looked worst when Williams or Derkack were triggering the offense.

4) Davis triggering the offense was ... okay ... better than with Derkack or Williams.

Player Thoughts (obviously, things can and likely will change a lot after another 5 weeks of practice):

1) Harper: He is the real deal, and it is obvious regardless of the sloppiness ... 6 assists and 1 turnover, getting the the paint and rim at will no matter who was covering him ... creating for himself and others ... unstoppable in transition ... at least decent defense (whoever he covered did nothing while Harper was defending him). Ran the high screen and roll all the time, which was never stopped.

2) Bailey: He IS going to be great ... really ... yes, there will be some games where he does not hit shots - but when he does he could score 25+ ... a a very good rebounder, it appears: Almost always in good position for the rebound (that is natural). Still needs to work on shot selection, and at least 3 times took the shot for himself when he had a wide open teammate in the corner (twice it was Martini) - he did make one of those shots, a drive and pull up. Still, he WAS a willing passer, and made several outstanding passes - only got 2 assists because the teammates missed the shots. And is a good, athletic defender (maybe not a star defender, but willing and athletic enough to do so). One note: When he triggered or had the ball on the top or wing RU NEVER (and I mean never) ran the high screen for him. He played much more 1 on 1 than did Harper.

3) Ogbole is better than Sommerville, at this moment. Not saying that won't change over the course of practice and the season. He moves better on offense, sets better high screens, blocked one of Sommerville's shots as they were one on one, was more assertive at the rim (yes, he missed a few, especially early, but hit both at the rim in the 2nd "half". Ogbole is still a work in progress, but is clearly improved vs last season: Moves better, stronger, better fundamental footwork, high screens and even better hands. Still not good offensive moves (like, none besides dunks off passes and rebounds). Sommerville looks like he has a lot of upside, a nice soft shot, a couple of good passes.

4) I actually cannot tell how improved Davis is. Though clearly stronger, and also obviously a good rebounder, and does a decent job running the offense, I still cannot tell if his shooting is better (FT's were fine in 4 attempts). Had several assists. On the other hand, got schooled by Harper every time (maybe that is not a negative reflection - maybe Harper will do that to everyone). Williams does NOT look like a back-up PG at this stage of practice, in this scrimmage. Derkack did not look like a creator - but did play very good defense, especially help defense. But he displayed some of the weaknesses he showed last season at Merrimack: Did not make 3 pointers, and turned the ball over trying to force passes.

4) Hayes can shoot. Need I say more?

5) Martini did not show much, positive or negative ... will probably benefit as the offense becomes more structured, and as Harper and Bailey settle into how they best create openings for others. And will probably end up doing a lot of the little things that do not always show up in the box score.
 
Thanks for this, lion. Can’t read enough about this team, so appreciate the content.
 
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Thanks for this, lion. Can’t read enough about this team, so appreciate the content.
If both start, can Ogbole and Martini score enough to justify ? I’d think together they’ll need to avg 13-15 ppg.
 
If both start, can Ogbole and Martini score enough to justify ? I’d think together they’ll need to avg 13-15 ppg.
The only way those two players score 13-15 points is with Martini making 3 pointers and layups off backdoor passes.
 
The only way those two players score 13-15 points is with Martini making 3 pointers and layups off backdoor passes.
Ok, so is that enough contribution from 2 starters ? This isn’t going be as solid a defensive team as we’re used to so I think we need to be a 75+ ppg team to win more than lose in the conference.
 
Bailey’s rebounding is going to be particularly important because it will allow PJ to get minutes. In other words, Bailey is the 4 and PJ the 3.
 
If both start, can Ogbole and Martini score enough to justify ? I’d think together they’ll need to avg 13-15 ppg.
I do not think they need to average that much if they start. And they won't.

Expect Harper and Bailey to be RU's top 2 scorers... 15+ ppg each? More?

I presume Williams will average 10+ ppg as RU's 3rd scoring option as a starter. Hayes and Acuff could each average as much as 7-8 ppg off the bench.

I hope for 4 ppg and 5 rpg from Ogbole. I might guess Martini might average about what he did last season: 8-9 ppg. Oh... That is 12-13 ppg, maybe not so hard to expect after all.

So... 10 from Williams, 12 from Martini/Ogbole, 15 or so from Hayes and Acuff. That's 37 ppg. 30+ ppg from Harper and Bailey. That's 67 ppg. And you still have Sommerville, Davis and Derkack... Seems they should be able to average 8-9 ppg combined, at least, no?

I dunno. We'll see. Way too early.

FYI, we may be better defensively than you anticipate.
 
Yes, we will see. Rare is the star player who gives 100 % effort on both ends, especially in college where it’s their offensive production that matters to draft stock.

I do think we’ll need to average 75+ to be .500 or better in conference and 80+ to be a tourney shoo-in due to a drop in D.
 
Great recap by lion1983.

I have to remind myself, however, that similar to the Spring game in football, when a team is playing against itself and someone misses a shot, is it bad offense or good defense?

And, of course, player focus and intensity will be much different when they find themselves facing a top 10 team as opposed to a casual practice with teammates.
 
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Great recap by lion1983.

I have to remind myself, however, that similar to the Spring game in football, when a team is playing against itself and someone misses a shot, is it bad offense or good defense?

And, of course, player focus and intensity will be much different when they find themselves facing a top 10 team as opposed to a casual practice with teammates.
This, and also the fact that our talent was divided. In a real game our starters will be together, our bench players will be chomping at the bit to get on the floor, and our coaches will have more impact with strategies, substitutions, timeouts, etc.

The exhibition vs St. John’s at the RAC will give us a much better gauge of what this team can do. The crowd, the players, the coaching, and the competitive will to win — all will be cranked up a notch. Anxious to see how we perform!
 
Good recap OP. Another Vikings fan here, not used to all this winning between them and Rutgers.
 
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