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OSU Replay review of Rettig's throws

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Reviewed the BTN2go OSU replay last night to get a better look at Rettig's throws in response to a question on a comment I made on another thread. Analyzed each throw below, just like many have done on Laviano's throws early in the year. After seeing replay of these throws I'm left wondering why some people were enamored with Rettigs performance on this day and felt it earned him a start . Maybe they all left the game and only saw the highlight of his long completion to Agudosi. Quite possible, since there were not many RU fans left there with me at the end of the game. In my view he made one good throw and the rest of his throws were below average or just bad. Feel free to go look yourself at the replay and confirm what I observed below. Even his completions were not well thrown.. .including the TD. If this is how he has typically performed like this in practice over the many months he and Laviano have been competing ... with a lack of precision and consistency, then there should be no surprise the coaching staff has opted for the other QB as the starter . But of course myself or no one else on this board has had that opportunity to view the bulk of what Rettig is capable or incapable of doing.


First series:

His first throw on 2nd down, occurred as he was being hit on a blitz, which clearly caused the errant throw and incompletion. Perhaps another QB may have seen the blitz coming and able to step up and avoid it.? Maybe not, but who knows ? Didn't look at that play too closely.

On 3rd and 7, at the 12:58mark, he threw to Agudosi down the left sideline. Rettig had time on this play, with no pressure and he clearly underthrew the receiver. Agudosi had a half step on the defender and had to slow down for the ball. This allowed the defender to close the gap and to make a play and knock it away. If Rettig had led him better he would possibly have maintained, or increased the gap on the defender and would have been able to complete the catch and taken it to the house or at least hit him in stride for a long completion. This was not an easy completion, but he had adequate protection and a good throw could have led to a TD or long completion.

Second Series:

At about RU's 30 yard line it was 3rd and 4... with 1:05left in the game. Rettig threw a short pass to Patton to the right, and completed the pass for the first down. Nice he completed this, but on closer look you can see Patton was heading toward the right sideline with the defense to his back. Rettig threw behind him and Patton had to turn his body around back toward the defenders to make the catch. Fortunately the defender wasn't close and he was able to make the catch, but not a good throw. Should have led him toward the sideline, especially since we were trying to preserve clock and get out of bounds on a completion.

On the long completion to Agudosi... nice throw, but not perfect. Watching the replay, a better throw could have led him a bit more and perhaps hit him in stride for a TD.

After the long completion to Agudosi, on first and goal play with :24 seconds left, Horrible throw. He severely overthrew the receiver heading towards the end zone. That throw came out like a wounded duck wobbling, and sailed what looked like ten feet over the receivers head. He was clearly not throwing it away, ....and they had a close up of him saying it was his bad.

Then on second and goal with :21 left, he had Arcidiacano open with a defender on his back running along the goal line toward the left sideline. The throw was not near the receiver as he could not even get his hand on it. The only defender was trailing Arch. and it was definitely a complete-able pass. This was a bad throw and a missed TD opportunity.

And reviewing the replay of the TD... that was actually not a very good throw either. Good enough for a TD in that spot, but far from a being a good throw. Heard people be critical of several of Laviano's throws like this over the past 2 months, so just being consistent. Watching it in person from my seat I could not see exactly where the ball was thrown and was just happy we scored. But, on the replay you could see the receiver was running from R to L along the end line with no defender in front of him. Not easy to see in the replay at full speed, because the early part of the route was cut off... but in slow speed you can clearly see, the pass did not lead him but was thrown behind him and forced the receiver to twist backwards to get to the ball. Defenders were behind him and fortunately it was not thrown that far behind him for a defendable throw or an INT.

Made one nice throw, but the others were nothing to write home about. Clearly Rettig will likely improve with more playing time, but in my mind, the performance on this day clearly did not elevate him to where he should jump over the current starter .. and still not sure where people were getting that impression.
 
Reviewed the BTN2go OSU replay last night to get a better look at Rettig's throws in response to a question on a comment I made on another thread. Analyzed each throw below, just like many have done on Laviano's throws early in the year. After seeing replay of these throws I'm left wondering why some people were enamored with Rettigs performance on this day and felt it earned him a start . Maybe they all left the game and only saw the highlight of his long completion to Agudosi. Quite possible, since there were not many RU fans left there with me at the end of the game. In my view he made one good throw and the rest of his throws were below average or just bad. Feel free to go look yourself at the replay and confirm what I observed below. Even his completions were not well thrown.. .including the TD. If this is how he has typically performed like this in practice over the many months he and Laviano have been competing ... with a lack of precision and consistency, then there should be no surprise the coaching staff has opted for the other QB as the starter . But of course myself or no one else on this board has had that opportunity to view the bulk of what Rettig is capable or incapable of doing.


First series:

His first throw on 2nd down, occurred as he was being hit on a blitz, which clearly caused the errant throw and incompletion. Perhaps another QB may have seen the blitz coming and able to step up and avoid it.? Maybe not, but who knows ? Didn't look at that play too closely.

On 3rd and 7, at the 12:58mark, he threw to Agudosi down the left sideline. Rettig had time on this play, with no pressure and he clearly underthrew the receiver. Agudosi had a half step on the defender and had to slow down for the ball. This allowed the defender to close the gap and to make a play and knock it away. If Rettig had led him better he would possibly have maintained, or increased the gap on the defender and would have been able to complete the catch and taken it to the house or at least hit him in stride for a long completion. This was not an easy completion, but he had adequate protection and a good throw could have led to a TD or long completion.

Second Series:

At about RU's 30 yard line it was 3rd and 4... with 1:05left in the game. Rettig threw a short pass to Patton to the right, and completed the pass for the first down. Nice he completed this, but on closer look you can see Patton was heading toward the right sideline with the defense to his back. Rettig threw behind him and Patton had to turn his body around back toward the defenders to make the catch. Fortunately the defender wasn't close and he was able to make the catch, but not a good throw. Should have led him toward the sideline, especially since we were trying to preserve clock and get out of bounds on a completion.

On the long completion to Agudosi... nice throw, but not perfect. Watching the replay, a better throw could have led him a bit more and perhaps hit him in stride for a TD.

After the long completion to Agudosi, on first and goal play with :24 seconds left, Horrible throw. He severely overthrew the receiver heading towards the end zone. That throw came out like a wounded duck wobbling, and sailed what looked like ten feet over the receivers head. He was clearly not throwing it away, ....and they had a close up of him saying it was his bad.

Then on second and goal with :21 left, he had Arcidiacano open with a defender on his back running along the goal line toward the left sideline. The throw was not near the receiver as he could not even get his hand on it. The only defender was trailing Arch. and it was definitely a complete-able pass. This was a bad throw and a missed TD opportunity.

And reviewing the replay of the TD... that was actually not a very good throw either. Good enough for a TD in that spot, but far from a being a good throw. Heard people be critical of several of Laviano's throws like this over the past 2 months, so just being consistent. Watching it in person from my seat I could not see exactly where the ball was thrown and was just happy we scored. But, on the replay you could see the receiver was running from R to L along the end line with no defender in front of him. Not easy to see in the replay at full speed, because the early part of the route was cut off... but in slow speed you can clearly see, the pass did not lead him but was thrown behind him and forced the receiver to twist backwards to get to the ball. Defenders were behind him and fortunately it was not thrown that far behind him for a defendable throw or an INT.

Made one nice throw, but the others were nothing to write home about. Clearly Rettig will likely improve with more playing time, but in my mind, the performance on this day clearly did not elevate him to where he should jump over the current starter .. and still not sure where people were getting that impression.

Here is an idea, go back and review every throw Laviano has made this season using the same standard you put forth above. Hint, I have done it for every game except Kansas and it is not pretty when using the same standard you used above. Go ahead and report back your findings. How is that for some facts.

BTW, you forgot to mention that Agudosi was being held on that sideline throw.
 
Here is an idea, go back and review every throw Laviano has made this season using the same standard you put forth above. Hint, I have done it for every game except Kansas and it is not pretty when using the same standard you used above. Go ahead and report back your findings. How is that for some facts.

BTW, you forgot to mention that Agudosi was being held on that sideline throw.

Except you have not offered facts, but only your opinion and argument.
 
Reviewed the BTN2go OSU replay last night to get a better look at Rettig's throws in response to a question on a comment I made on another thread. Analyzed each throw below, just like many have done on Laviano's throws early in the year. After seeing replay of these throws I'm left wondering why some people were enamored with Rettigs performance on this day and felt it earned him a start . Maybe they all left the game and only saw the highlight of his long completion to Agudosi. Quite possible, since there were not many RU fans left there with me at the end of the game. In my view he made one good throw and the rest of his throws were below average or just bad. Feel free to go look yourself at the replay and confirm what I observed below. Even his completions were not well thrown.. .including the TD. If this is how he has typically performed like this in practice over the many months he and Laviano have been competing ... with a lack of precision and consistency, then there should be no surprise the coaching staff has opted for the other QB as the starter . But of course myself or no one else on this board has had that opportunity to view the bulk of what Rettig is capable or incapable of doing.


First series:

His first throw on 2nd down, occurred as he was being hit on a blitz, which clearly caused the errant throw and incompletion. Perhaps another QB may have seen the blitz coming and able to step up and avoid it.? Maybe not, but who knows ? Didn't look at that play too closely.

On 3rd and 7, at the 12:58mark, he threw to Agudosi down the left sideline. Rettig had time on this play, with no pressure and he clearly underthrew the receiver. Agudosi had a half step on the defender and had to slow down for the ball. This allowed the defender to close the gap and to make a play and knock it away. If Rettig had led him better he would possibly have maintained, or increased the gap on the defender and would have been able to complete the catch and taken it to the house or at least hit him in stride for a long completion. This was not an easy completion, but he had adequate protection and a good throw could have led to a TD or long completion.

Second Series:

At about RU's 30 yard line it was 3rd and 4... with 1:05left in the game. Rettig threw a short pass to Patton to the right, and completed the pass for the first down. Nice he completed this, but on closer look you can see Patton was heading toward the right sideline with the defense to his back. Rettig threw behind him and Patton had to turn his body around back toward the defenders to make the catch. Fortunately the defender wasn't close and he was able to make the catch, but not a good throw. Should have led him toward the sideline, especially since we were trying to preserve clock and get out of bounds on a completion.

On the long completion to Agudosi... nice throw, but not perfect. Watching the replay, a better throw could have led him a bit more and perhaps hit him in stride for a TD.

After the long completion to Agudosi, on first and goal play with :24 seconds left, Horrible throw. He severely overthrew the receiver heading towards the end zone. That throw came out like a wounded duck wobbling, and sailed what looked like ten feet over the receivers head. He was clearly not throwing it away, ....and they had a close up of him saying it was his bad.

Then on second and goal with :21 left, he had Arcidiacano open with a defender on his back running along the goal line toward the left sideline. The throw was not near the receiver as he could not even get his hand on it. The only defender was trailing Arch. and it was definitely a complete-able pass. This was a bad throw and a missed TD opportunity.

And reviewing the replay of the TD... that was actually not a very good throw either. Good enough for a TD in that spot, but far from a being a good throw. Heard people be critical of several of Laviano's throws like this over the past 2 months, so just being consistent. Watching it in person from my seat I could not see exactly where the ball was thrown and was just happy we scored. But, on the replay you could see the receiver was running from R to L along the end line with no defender in front of him. Not easy to see in the replay at full speed, because the early part of the route was cut off... but in slow speed you can clearly see, the pass did not lead him but was thrown behind him and forced the receiver to twist backwards to get to the ball. Defenders were behind him and fortunately it was not thrown that far behind him for a defendable throw or an INT.

Made one nice throw, but the others were nothing to write home about. Clearly Rettig will likely improve with more playing time, but in my mind, the performance on this day clearly did not elevate him to where he should jump over the current starter .. and still not sure where people were getting that impression.
I really don't want Rettig to replace Laviano. I DO want him to get P/T so that IF he has to replace Chris,he has more game experience.Does this sound unreasonable?
 
Except you have not offered facts, but only your opinion and argument.
Incorrect, I stated as FACT that I have done the analysis and IF using the same standard Rettig was held to above (quite unreasonable) then the results would be worse.

BTW, his analysis above is still just an opinion on what constitutes a good throw. So the only facts he presented were Rettig was 3-7 and an opinion on the quality of the throws.
 
Incorrect, I stated as FACT that I have done the analysis and IF using the same standard Rettig was held to above (quite unreasonable) then the results are even worse.

BTW, his analysis above is still just an opinion on what constitutes a good throw. So the only facts he presented were Rettig was 3-7 and an opinion on the quality of the throws.

I'd like to have an argument. . . .


This is pure silliness. Rettig should get more time period. I don't think anybody argues with that. Too soon to tell if he is "better" or not. And "better" should mean more than just arm strength and accuracy. That's a very important factor, though.
 
BTW
And reviewing the replay of the TD... that was actually not a very good throw either. Good enough for a TD in that spot, but far from a being a good throw. Heard people be critical of several of Laviano's throws like this over the past 2 months, so just being consistent. Watching it in person from my seat I could not see exactly where the ball was thrown and was just happy we scored. But, on the replay you could see the receiver was running from R to L along the end line with no defender in front of him. Not easy to see in the replay at full speed, because the early part of the route was cut off... but in slow speed you can clearly see, the pass did not lead him but was thrown behind him and forced the receiver to twist backwards to get to the ball. Defenders were behind him and fortunately it was not thrown that far behind him for a defendable throw or an INT.

Herbstreit said after watching the replay to see if Patton got his feet down, "That is a heckuva throw there by Rettig." But slyker knows best.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:13965003
 
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Reviewed the BTN2go OSU replay last night to get a better look at Rettig's throws in response to a question on a comment I made on another thread. Analyzed each throw below, just like many have done on Laviano's throws early in the year. After seeing replay of these throws I'm left wondering why some people were enamored with Rettigs performance on this day and felt it earned him a start . Maybe they all left the game and only saw the highlight of his long completion to Agudosi. Quite possible, since there were not many RU fans left there with me at the end of the game. In my view he made one good throw and the rest of his throws were below average or just bad. Feel free to go look yourself at the replay and confirm what I observed below. Even his completions were not well thrown.. .including the TD. If this is how he has typically performed like this in practice over the many months he and Laviano have been competing ... with a lack of precision and consistency, then there should be no surprise the coaching staff has opted for the other QB as the starter . But of course myself or no one else on this board has had that opportunity to view the bulk of what Rettig is capable or incapable of doing.


First series:

His first throw on 2nd down, occurred as he was being hit on a blitz, which clearly caused the errant throw and incompletion. Perhaps another QB may have seen the blitz coming and able to step up and avoid it.? Maybe not, but who knows ? Didn't look at that play too closely.

On 3rd and 7, at the 12:58mark, he threw to Agudosi down the left sideline. Rettig had time on this play, with no pressure and he clearly underthrew the receiver. Agudosi had a half step on the defender and had to slow down for the ball. This allowed the defender to close the gap and to make a play and knock it away. If Rettig had led him better he would possibly have maintained, or increased the gap on the defender and would have been able to complete the catch and taken it to the house or at least hit him in stride for a long completion. This was not an easy completion, but he had adequate protection and a good throw could have led to a TD or long completion.

Second Series:

At about RU's 30 yard line it was 3rd and 4... with 1:05left in the game. Rettig threw a short pass to Patton to the right, and completed the pass for the first down. Nice he completed this, but on closer look you can see Patton was heading toward the right sideline with the defense to his back. Rettig threw behind him and Patton had to turn his body around back toward the defenders to make the catch. Fortunately the defender wasn't close and he was able to make the catch, but not a good throw. Should have led him toward the sideline, especially since we were trying to preserve clock and get out of bounds on a completion.

On the long completion to Agudosi... nice throw, but not perfect. Watching the replay, a better throw could have led him a bit more and perhaps hit him in stride for a TD.

After the long completion to Agudosi, on first and goal play with :24 seconds left, Horrible throw. He severely overthrew the receiver heading towards the end zone. That throw came out like a wounded duck wobbling, and sailed what looked like ten feet over the receivers head. He was clearly not throwing it away, ....and they had a close up of him saying it was his bad.

Then on second and goal with :21 left, he had Arcidiacano open with a defender on his back running along the goal line toward the left sideline. The throw was not near the receiver as he could not even get his hand on it. The only defender was trailing Arch. and it was definitely a complete-able pass. This was a bad throw and a missed TD opportunity.

And reviewing the replay of the TD... that was actually not a very good throw either. Good enough for a TD in that spot, but far from a being a good throw. Heard people be critical of several of Laviano's throws like this over the past 2 months, so just being consistent. Watching it in person from my seat I could not see exactly where the ball was thrown and was just happy we scored. But, on the replay you could see the receiver was running from R to L along the end line with no defender in front of him. Not easy to see in the replay at full speed, because the early part of the route was cut off... but in slow speed you can clearly see, the pass did not lead him but was thrown behind him and forced the receiver to twist backwards to get to the ball. Defenders were behind him and fortunately it was not thrown that far behind him for a defendable throw or an INT.

Made one nice throw, but the others were nothing to write home about. Clearly Rettig will likely improve with more playing time, but in my mind, the performance on this day clearly did not elevate him to where he should jump over the current starter .. and still not sure where people were getting that impression.
I think you have to go back and look at some of those throws again. Not saying his throws were perfect. The throw you talk about on the 3rd and 7 Herbstreit commented on the throw. It was not underthrown it was placed in a place that only the receiver can make a play on the ball (the outside shoulder). The same receiver that was held(you saw closed upon) and interfered with on the play.

His throws inside the 10 two were not good. One was one that got away but the other was clearly thrown away and not forced into space.(again commented upon by Herbstreit and Fowler. The 2 commentators see more quality QB's on a regular basis and were very impressed with Rettig in both his play and his skill set in warm ups.
 
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Herbstreit said after watching the replay to see if Patton got his feet down, "That is a heckuva throw there by Rettig." But slyker knows best.

But what would Herbie know about being a QB, especially one in the Big Ten?
 
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I was thinking about rettigs long pass when it happened and knew it would throw a lot of posters into a frenzy. But if Laviano made that same exact play, those same posters would be complaining about how it was under thrown and should've been a td
 
Slyker nice c try TD pass was thrown the only place it could be thrown
 
I'm shocked. I would have thought a kid who has played all of one half of a college football game, who gets no starters reps in practice and who is thrown in at garbage time against the conference's best defense that is up 49 points and just pinning their ears back and rushing the passer, would have performed so much better.
 
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No you don't.
No you don't.
"Don't give me that you snotty faced heap of parrot droppings. . . "

Oh, I am sorry, this is abuse. Which is the point. We needed a thread abusing Rettig because there have been too many abusing Laviano. What this tells you is that Gio or Dare are probably better than both of them put together!!!!

Or it is time for the Wild Knight or the Jabu package.
 
after being benched and not playing in a real game for years, he goes in and throws the best two passes of the season. both of which were NFL throws. one being one of the longest of the season and the other a touchdown.

Case closed.
 
I'd like to have an argument. . . ..

No you don't.
"Don't give me that you snotty faced heap of parrot droppings. . . "

Oh, I am sorry, this is abuse. Which is the point. We needed a thread abusing Rettig because there have been too many abusing Laviano. What this tells you is that Gio or Dare are probably better than both of them put together!!!!

Or it is time for the Wild Knight or the Jabu package.

and I'm charging you for failure to obey under the "Every Rutgers Backup QB is better than the starter act of 2005" more commonly known as the Hart/Teel law.
 
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No you don't.

and I'm charging you for failure to obey under the "Every Rutgers Backup QB is better than the starter act of 2005" more commonly known as the Hart/Teel law.

In these parts it's actually known as the Fortay/Higgins law.
 
Reviewed the BTN2go OSU replay last night to get a better look at Rettig's throws in response to a question on a comment I made on another thread. Analyzed each throw below, just like many have done on Laviano's throws early in the year. After seeing replay of these throws I'm left wondering why some people were enamored with Rettigs performance on this day and felt it earned him a start . Maybe they all left the game and only saw the highlight of his long completion to Agudosi. Quite possible, since there were not many RU fans left there with me at the end of the game. In my view he made one good throw and the rest of his throws were below average or just bad. Feel free to go look yourself at the replay and confirm what I observed below. Even his completions were not well thrown.. .including the TD. If this is how he has typically performed like this in practice over the many months he and Laviano have been competing ... with a lack of precision and consistency, then there should be no surprise the coaching staff has opted for the other QB as the starter . But of course myself or no one else on this board has had that opportunity to view the bulk of what Rettig is capable or incapable of doing.


First series:

His first throw on 2nd down, occurred as he was being hit on a blitz, which clearly caused the errant throw and incompletion. Perhaps another QB may have seen the blitz coming and able to step up and avoid it.? Maybe not, but who knows ? Didn't look at that play too closely.

On 3rd and 7, at the 12:58mark, he threw to Agudosi down the left sideline. Rettig had time on this play, with no pressure and he clearly underthrew the receiver. Agudosi had a half step on the defender and had to slow down for the ball. This allowed the defender to close the gap and to make a play and knock it away. If Rettig had led him better he would possibly have maintained, or increased the gap on the defender and would have been able to complete the catch and taken it to the house or at least hit him in stride for a long completion. This was not an easy completion, but he had adequate protection and a good throw could have led to a TD or long completion.

Second Series:

At about RU's 30 yard line it was 3rd and 4... with 1:05left in the game. Rettig threw a short pass to Patton to the right, and completed the pass for the first down. Nice he completed this, but on closer look you can see Patton was heading toward the right sideline with the defense to his back. Rettig threw behind him and Patton had to turn his body around back toward the defenders to make the catch. Fortunately the defender wasn't close and he was able to make the catch, but not a good throw. Should have led him toward the sideline, especially since we were trying to preserve clock and get out of bounds on a completion.

On the long completion to Agudosi... nice throw, but not perfect. Watching the replay, a better throw could have led him a bit more and perhaps hit him in stride for a TD.

After the long completion to Agudosi, on first and goal play with :24 seconds left, Horrible throw. He severely overthrew the receiver heading towards the end zone. That throw came out like a wounded duck wobbling, and sailed what looked like ten feet over the receivers head. He was clearly not throwing it away, ....and they had a close up of him saying it was his bad.

Then on second and goal with :21 left, he had Arcidiacano open with a defender on his back running along the goal line toward the left sideline. The throw was not near the receiver as he could not even get his hand on it. The only defender was trailing Arch. and it was definitely a complete-able pass. This was a bad throw and a missed TD opportunity.

And reviewing the replay of the TD... that was actually not a very good throw either. Good enough for a TD in that spot, but far from a being a good throw. Heard people be critical of several of Laviano's throws like this over the past 2 months, so just being consistent. Watching it in person from my seat I could not see exactly where the ball was thrown and was just happy we scored. But, on the replay you could see the receiver was running from R to L along the end line with no defender in front of him. Not easy to see in the replay at full speed, because the early part of the route was cut off... but in slow speed you can clearly see, the pass did not lead him but was thrown behind him and forced the receiver to twist backwards to get to the ball. Defenders were behind him and fortunately it was not thrown that far behind him for a defendable throw or an INT.

Made one nice throw, but the others were nothing to write home about. Clearly Rettig will likely improve with more playing time, but in my mind, the performance on this day clearly did not elevate him to where he should jump over the current starter .. and still not sure where people were getting that impression.
bs analysis...

CL wouldn't even attempt any of those throws.. so start there and then go
 
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In these parts it's actually known as the Fortay/Higgins law.

Well, it was originally proposed as the Herring/McMichael law but was held up in committee. Lesser provisions have been enacted over the years but the full scope of the law was not realized until the great RutgersFan.com movement that started in 2001.

Thanks a whole heap John O.:sunglasses:
 
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i don't care who the starting QB is. What I do care about is having a starting QB that can make throws in important situations. On RUs first drive of the game against OSU, Carroo had a step on the DB on the 2nd and 10 going into the end zone . A good throw is a TD and RU would have a 7-0 lead at home against the #1 team. That's how upsets happen. Put pressure on the other team, keep the crowd in the game and give the team confidence.
 
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i don't care who the starting QB is. What I do care about is having a starting QB that can make throws in important situations. On RUs first drive of the game against OSU, Carroo had a step on the DB on the 2nd and 10 going into the end zone . A good throw is a TD and RU would have a 7-0 lead at home against the #1 team. That's how upsets happen. Put pressure on the other team, keep the crowd in the game and give the team confidence.

Maybe Carroo was a step slow due to his injury. Personally I prefer and like both quarterbacks and am happy to see both of them succeed. Unfortunately we can only play one,

I liked what Rettig did in the OSU game, and i thought Laviano did not have his best game - but Laviano was great during the Indiana game.
 
Well, it was originally proposed as the Herring/McMichael law but was held up in committee. Lesser provisions have been enacted over the years but the full scope of the law was not realized until the great RutgersFan.com movement that started in 2001.

Thanks a whole heap John O.:sunglasses:

Good stuff.[cheers]
 
The 50 yard completion with a guy in his face was more than just a good throw. It was a great throw. As was the TD throw. The pass to Agudosi was a good pass but he was clearly getting held.

Sounds like you may want to review again.
 
Well, it was originally proposed as the Herring/McMichael law but was held up in committee. Lesser provisions have been enacted over the years but the full scope of the law was not realized until the great RutgersFan.com movement that started in 2001.
You forgot to include the Hochberg corollary and the Gagliardi amendment.
 
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Maybe Carroo was a step slow due to his injury. Personally I prefer and like both quarterbacks and am happy to see both of them succeed. Unfortunately we can only play one,

I liked what Rettig did in the OSU game, and i thought Laviano did not have his best game - but Laviano was great during the Indiana game.
No, Carroo wasn't a step slow. He beat a very good CB off the ball and created separation. QB needs to deliver.
 
The 50 yard completion with a guy in his face was more than just a good throw. It was a great throw. As was the TD throw. The pass to Agudosi was a good pass but he was clearly getting held.

Sounds like you may want to review again.


Apparently you didn't have an opportunity to closely review the replays.

The throw to Agusosi was obviously underthrown. If it led him correctly, the holding likely would have been able to be called as it would have been much more obvious than if he was coming back for the ball as he needed to as is obvious in the replay.

I guess you didn't look at the replay of the TD either. It's not a good throw when you increase the difficulty of the catch for the receiver. It's not a good throw when the ball is thrown where the defenders have a better chance of defending the pass. The receiver was running right to left... and there were no defenders along the end line in the direction he was moving. There were defenders trailing him. Where was the ball thrown ? It was not thrown ahead of the receiver where he could catch it in stride, further away from the defenders. It was thrown in a location that the receiver needed to twist his body against the grain and reach back to catch the ball... and It was a throw that had more chance of being defended as opposed to a good throw that would have led the receiver away from the defenders. It was a fair throw, since it was catchable, but the receiver had to make a difficult play to catch the ball and it increased the likelihood of being defended. Definitely a stretch to call it a good throw.

And the long completion? A Great throw would have led him a bit more where he could have caught it in stride for a TD. Look at the replay. He did need to adjust speed slightly to make the catch. This was a good throw that allowed him to make any easy catch but also was not perfectly in stride so he could waltz into the end zone. That would have been a great throw

The kid came in a made one nice throw a few fair throws and a few pretty bad throws. Not like he came out there and looked like Peyton Manning. Nice development opportunity for our backup but just redicilous how some have expressed earlier this week that this performance clearly shows he is better than the #1 or that he should be the starter.
 
Some fans, and the head coach, defended starting Scott Brunner over Phil Simms. They were mistaken. Confirmation bias is amusing in a fan; in a coach it is opportunity squandered.
 
Your' comparing his 4 or 5 throws against the best in the country, with a guy
who gets every other throw every game? Really? Well, I'll take a great
touchdown pass every 4 or 5 throws anytime. Especially 60 yard ones.
 
Apparently you didn't have an opportunity to closely review the replays.

The throw to Agusosi was obviously underthrown. If it led him correctly, the holding likely would have been able to be called as it would have been much more obvious than if he was coming back for the ball as he needed to as is obvious in the replay.

I guess you didn't look at the replay of the TD either. It's not a good throw when you increase the difficulty of the catch for the receiver. It's not a good throw when the ball is thrown where the defenders have a better chance of defending the pass. The receiver was running right to left... and there were no defenders along the end line in the direction he was moving. There were defenders trailing him. Where was the ball thrown ? It was not thrown ahead of the receiver where he could catch it in stride, further away from the defenders. It was thrown in a location that the receiver needed to twist his body against the grain and reach back to catch the ball... and It was a throw that had more chance of being defended as opposed to a good throw that would have led the receiver away from the defenders. It was a fair throw, since it was catchable, but the receiver had to make a difficult play to catch the ball and it increased the likelihood of being defended. Definitely a stretch to call it a good throw.

And the long completion? A Great throw would have led him a bit more where he could have caught it in stride for a TD. Look at the replay. He did need to adjust speed slightly to make the catch. This was a good throw that allowed him to make any easy catch but also was not perfectly in stride so he could waltz into the end zone. That would have been a great throw

The kid came in a made one nice throw a few fair throws and a few pretty bad throws. Not like he came out there and looked like Peyton Manning. Nice development opportunity for our backup but just redicilous how some have expressed earlier this week that this performance clearly shows he is better than the #1 or that he should be the starter.
Slyker your analysis is quite flawed. Your first point. If it was truly underthrown the holding would have become more obvious because the jersey would have become twisted rather than just stretched. That would have made it more obvious to the ref and an easier call to make. The announcers even commented on the play saying that the only reason holding or pass interference was not called was because the defender got his head around. They were not coming back to the ball rather sideline jostling.

The TD throw was probably the best ball thrown by a QB all year. Tight window with pace in a place only the receiver could make the play. On a play like that the receiver should have been instructed to squat in space.

The long sideline throw to Aguidosi dropped from the sky into his arms pretty much in stride. Another throw that our starting QB has not made his entire playing career and Rettig makes it after sitting the last 6 weeks on the bench.

I am not sure if you have any practical experience playing the game at all or playing QB but your analysis is not correct. You have the top 2 ABC announcers and a person who played the position in the BIG stating that they were quality throws. Listen to their analysis not just of his game time throws but his pre game warm up. They sounded pretty amazed that he was not the full time starter.

I suggest you get into the stadium and watch the pre game warm ups and decide who throws a cleaner more deliberate ball.
 
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Where's Brodo when you need him..Lets go to the video tape..SOMEBODY hold up an iphone to the TV and film it, give us a look at those passes here please?
 
Your' comparing his 4 or 5 throws against the best in the country, with a guy
who gets every other throw every game? Really? Well, I'll take a great
touchdown pass every 4 or 5 throws anytime. Especially 60 yard ones.

Not many people who would consider the second & third string OSU defense that Rettig was playing against as one of the best in the country. Unlike Laviano, who WAS playing against one of the top D's in the country. In both this game as well as the MSU and PSU games. This was just an objective evaluation of each throw to confirm the ridiculousness of a segment of the fan base who had anointed him as the next Tom Brady based on his performance in this mop up duty.
 
I'd like to have an argument. . . .


This is pure silliness. Rettig should get more time period. I don't think anybody argues with that. Too soon to tell if he is "better" or not. And "better" should mean more than just arm strength and accuracy. That's a very important factor, though.


Actually MANY of the Laviano supports are arguing exactly against that. There are very few people who have flat out said Rettig deserves to be the starter. Some have suggested giving him the start in the next game or two, but very few have said RU should give him the job for the rest of the season. What MOST people have said is that it's rather ridiculous to have two QBs of the same class that were supposedly neck to neck in training camp, yet only one sees the field. There are many reasons to have given Rettig some opportunities (blow out games, stalled offense, need for long game) yet Flood has refused.

Many of the posts supporting Laviano present the idea that Rettig would get killed because he's not mobile -- something that we just don't know. The blitz came and Rettig managed to throw the ball away. He didn't take the sack (which I personally think Laviano would have done) and didn't throw an interception. For a guy with such limited play time in the past two years, he did the right play.

What are people afraid of in giving Rettig some playing time? What is Flood afraid of? Laviano may be "learning" on the field, but I do not believe he's learning much in a game in which the offense has done absolutely nothing and the score is out of hand. In that case, Rettig should be on the field and the staff can "learn" how he does in an actual game situation. Not a simulated game in practice, but a real game situation.
 
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Apparently you didn't have an opportunity to closely review the replays.

The throw to Agusosi was obviously underthrown. If it led him correctly, the holding likely would have been able to be called as it would have been much more obvious than if he was coming back for the ball as he needed to as is obvious in the replay.

I guess you didn't look at the replay of the TD either. It's not a good throw when you increase the difficulty of the catch for the receiver. It's not a good throw when the ball is thrown where the defenders have a better chance of defending the pass. The receiver was running right to left... and there were no defenders along the end line in the direction he was moving. There were defenders trailing him. Where was the ball thrown ? It was not thrown ahead of the receiver where he could catch it in stride, further away from the defenders. It was thrown in a location that the receiver needed to twist his body against the grain and reach back to catch the ball... and It was a throw that had more chance of being defended as opposed to a good throw that would have led the receiver away from the defenders. It was a fair throw, since it was catchable, but the receiver had to make a difficult play to catch the ball and it increased the likelihood of being defended. Definitely a stretch to call it a good throw.

And the long completion? A Great throw would have led him a bit more where he could have caught it in stride for a TD. Look at the replay. He did need to adjust speed slightly to make the catch. This was a good throw that allowed him to make any easy catch but also was not perfectly in stride so he could waltz into the end zone. That would have been a great throw

The kid came in a made one nice throw a few fair throws and a few pretty bad throws. Not like he came out there and looked like Peyton Manning. Nice development opportunity for our backup but just redicilous how some have expressed earlier this week that this performance clearly shows he is better than the #1 or that he should be the starter.


I watched it numerous times. He made at least one, if not two throws the starting QB clearly can't make. Cold. Off the bench. After not playing for two months.

He deserves more, as the vast majority of RU fans rightfully agree based on the poll. Peyton Manning? Tom Brady? You are getting emotional and it's not helping your argument.
 
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No, Carroo wasn't a step slow. He beat a very good CB off the ball and created separation. QB needs to deliver.
If Carroo had spent some time on the RU Ultimate team, he would've made that catch no problem. All he needed to do was to lay out to catch it.
 
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