OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread
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I thought he did a pretty good job with the Alaska purchase.
Mickey's hands are tied with this bullpen.
With a 6 run lead you should not have to run your one legitimate option out there for 2 innings.
I think last night might have actually been the final straw with Diaz.
I think they were really hoping they could get him going as a useful bullpen arm for september. Hoping he could finally flip the switch.
But that was it, and maybe we get to a point where it just doesn't matter anymore and you throw him out there trying to get his value up a little, but for however many more "meaningful" games we have left, he can not be put in there unless we are already losing badly.
And I just don't see how he is on the team next year, as someone said above he is toxic. I know relievers often have down years, but what we have seen this year is just another level. BVW needs to see he has to cut ties, the trade is going to go down as a complete nightmare, but every Diaz debacle is just another reminder of it.
I think they were really hoping they could get him going as a useful bullpen arm for september. Hoping he could finally flip the switch.
But that was it, and maybe we get to a point where it just doesn't matter anymore and you throw him out there trying to get his value up a little, but for however many more "meaningful" games we have left, he can not be put in there unless we are already losing badly.
And I just don't see how he is on the team next year, as someone said above he is toxic. I know relievers often have down years, but what we have seen this year is just another level. BVW needs to see he has to cut ties, the trade is going to go down as a complete nightmare, but every Diaz debacle is just another reminder of it.
You may be right, but my guess is that BVW will give him every opportunity to turn it around next year. He knows this trade is his legacy and will try to salvage it.
As I said last night in an unusual turn for me I thought Mickey was making the right calls last night. I just read Lugo might be unavailable today though because they don't want him pitching back to back days. If that's really the case and we did take him out after 10 pitches last night then I'm going to flip as he absolutely should have stayed in.
Glad I turned it off and went to bed with one out in the bottom of the 9th. Can't lose in a more brutal fashion than that. I agree that MC has to believe he can get three outs with a 6 run lead without using his best relievers. I guess he did not plan to use Diaz but with hindsight he would have been better off letting him start the inning with the cushion. Nats really tried to give that one away with their bonehead plays but the Mets topped them in the end.
NY Post columnist had a funny line. Said that Mickey and his bullpen reminded him of Otter's line to Flounder in Animal House. "You fvcked up. You trusted us."
Like Flounder, Mickey really doesn't have much of a choice.
Drop dead date for the Stankees, October 10,as they don't even make it to the ALCS, I'll be lighting candles and mixing potions to see that end. Enjoy another failed attempt for the new Core 4 trying to match what the original did. 0-2 in the 3 Amigos claim of multiple Championships in a 5 year period.
Let's not be disingenuous here. You guys hammered Darnaud non-stop when he was with the Mets and probably for the most part celebrated him being dumped. And now he's another one we let get away? Stop!
Not defending Mickey and his choice of Sewald. I had deemed him Sewage earlier in the year. But his August and first game of September game log looks pretty good?
http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/35009/paul-sewald
I can't either. He's actually performed pretty well in this go-around. Certainly well enough that you would not hesitate to bring him in up 6 with just 3 outs to go.
I remember the Mets winning a game against the Braves in similar fashion some years ago. Long ago that it took place at Shea not Citi. It's just gonna happen once in a blue moon.
I heard BVW did play it poorly by bringing him back for a few at bats to start this season, which cost the team a couple million dollars. Point was, if you are going to bring him back, and pay that money, then give him a chance, not the limited at bats that he got.
But in the grand scheme I have no issues with giving Darnaud the boot. Especially with Ramos in the mix.
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The Met's bullpen, outside of Lugo, is filled with guys who you don't want out there when a game matters.
Oddly Mets would have been better off not scoring in the top of the 9th, and then Mickey likely would have kept Lugo in.
But keeping Diaz around costs you games, and with each loss it reminds people of just how bad the trade is, it reinforces the legacy of the trade being a disaster.
If BVW cuts ties, improves the bullpen, wins games, then people will forgive him for the trade. We saw it during the winning streak, no one was complaining about the trade. Winning cures all, and throwing Diaz out there is just sabotaging the winning effort.
The Mets have 70 wins and only 24 games left to play. Winning 2/3 would give them 86 wins. The Cubs are expected to win 87-88, so the Mets need to get *very* hot or for the Cubs to stumble. And the Mets (now the bottom of the four teams chasing the Cubs) need for no one else to get hot. It's a tall order.
Spot on - put another way, the math doesn't really work and the season is over.
Breathe deep the gathering gloom
Watch Mets fade as playoffs loom
Managing players Look back and lament
Another day's useless bullpen spent
Impassioned hitters try to score runs
Lonely runner cries for love and has none
New manager looks on and thinks we are done
World Series alumni wish they were young
Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Swings and misses with all our might
Blue is grey and orange is white
But we decide which is right
And what team is an Illusion?
P.S. - Really do hope the Mets get some new ownership and shrewd management. I think they can put together that contender everyone wants but I have little faith in the people put in charge to do that.
Watch Mets fade as playoffs loom
Managing players Look back and lament
Another day's useless bullpen spent
Impassioned hitters try to score runs
Lonely runner cries for love and has none
New manager looks on and thinks we are done
World Series alumni wish they were young
Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Swings and misses with all our might
Blue is grey and orange is white
But we decide which is right
And what team is an Illusion?
P.S. - Really do hope the Mets get some new ownership and shrewd management. I think they can put together that contender everyone wants but I have little faith in the people put in charge to do that.
Agree with you. When I was watching announcers were in agreement to take him out and save him. I wouldn’t have but with a 6 run lead I could understand doing. Going back to my early days coaching in weekend tournaments, tried to be cute and save my best pitcher for later on single elimination Sunday. After going home after first game a couple times never having pitched my best pitcher I evolved to throwing my best and worrying about next game after we won. Mets probably should have done that with Luigi last night, pitch the ninth.
The problem starts with Mickey Moron. The Mets have other pitchers who could have closed out the 9th, but for reason Mickey Moron wants to rely on proven bums. One or two good outings doesn't erase a season worth of failures.
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Nope...doesn’t sound bitter at all!!![roll]
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Last night wasnt so much a MC ****up- any bullpen should be able to hold a 6 run lead going into the 9th. We should be able to run Franco, Benetez, Familia, Diaz out there and hold it.
The game had such a feel good too. deGrom gave up the 4 but for once, his team was there to bail him out. And, against a top team top pitcher. Could have seen deGrom running off an amazing 5 final starts after the team had his back. After this game, can see the team just pack it in.
The game had such a feel good too. deGrom gave up the 4 but for once, his team was there to bail him out. And, against a top team top pitcher. Could have seen deGrom running off an amazing 5 final starts after the team had his back. After this game, can see the team just pack it in.
Sitting Nimmo today. Please tell me it’s because his neck is a bit sore.
And I’m going to repeat..,Davis, Rosario, McNeil, Alonso, Conforto
No more fking days off.
And the real issue with Diaz is what we gave up and who came with him.
Most of the other closers that were on the market have sucked too.
And I’m going to repeat..,Davis, Rosario, McNeil, Alonso, Conforto
No more fking days off.
And the real issue with Diaz is what we gave up and who came with him.
Most of the other closers that were on the market have sucked too.
Yes really. And I think Lagares makes the play on that double to center by can't remember who.
Lagares can't hit!! Yes his D is better but the difference in hitting outweighs that. I know the play you're talking about and yes he certainly might have.
For any Yankee fan that wants to bring up TDA - Sonny Gray says “hold my beer”
But Nimmo hasn't proved worthy of being an everyday guy either. Hits the occasional roundtripper but also whiffs a ton.
October 10th, last day of your season, woefully short AGAIN.[cheers]Seeing that score this morning has made my day.
Can't wait to watch the highlights during lunch. [roll]
So funny.
Alonso puts icing on the cake! !!
Screams the Mets announcer.
LMAO
The Mets strike me as a team put together without any overall plan. No one seem to ask what position a player will play, for instance. It seems that management gets individual players they like without thinking about how they'll fit into the line-up. Even my Phillies (as incompetent as management is) are better than that.
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