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OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread

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If this was the case, Mets wouldve won the division, let alone playoffs. Diaz wouldn't have his MLB record 15 blown saves.
Diaz was 26 for 33. Seven blown saves. An average closer might have had four. Diaz only had about three "extra" blown saves, which maybe translates to two extra losses.

Diaz had a bad season to be sure, but it is wrong to single him out.
 
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JG would have benched Diaz in May.
He only gave up 4 earned runs before May 29 so you saying Joe Girardi would have benched him then? Really? I like Joe Girardi as a manager and would love him to be Calloway's replacement but even he isn't that clairvoyant. Check your facts.
 
He only gave up 4 earned runs before May 29 so you saying Joe Girardi would have benched him then? Really? I like Joe Girardi as a manager and would love him to be Calloway's replacement but even he isn't that clairvoyant. Check your facts.
Yes, Joe knows all!
 
Diaz was 26 for 33. Seven blown saves. An average closer might have had four. Diaz only had about three "extra" blown saves, which maybe translates to two extra losses.

Diaz had a bad season to be sure, but it is wrong to single him out.

Finding a way to defend Diaz's season is like finding a way to defend Ash's time here...
 
Finding a way to defend Diaz's season is like finding a way to defend Ash's time here...
When you find someone defending Diaz's season, let me know. It certainly isn't me. But as I tried to objectively point out using accurate stats, he wasn't this team's only problem and should not be singled out as such.
 
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When you find someone defending Diaz's season, let me know. It certainly isn't me. But as I tried to objectively point out using accurate stats, he wasn't this team's only problem and should not be singled out as such.
They may be stats but don't tell the story. Diaz was VERY GOOD through his first 24 appearances. After that, he had most of his BS's, loses, saves where he gave up runs and games you just couldnt even bring him in.
 
When you find someone defending Diaz's season, let me know. It certainly isn't me. But as I tried to objectively point out using accurate stats, he wasn't this team's only problem and should not be singled out as such.
2-7, 5.59, 28 BB, 99 K, .258 avg allowed.

Yeah... great stats.
 
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I can't believe how many Yankee trolls write on this board. Didn't they make the playoffs and don't they have their own thread? Maybe we should have the mods merge the two threads.
 
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2-7, 5.59, 28 BB, 99 K, .258 avg allowed.

Yeah... great stats.
Actually, the 99K is a great stat. It translates to 15.4K per nine innings. That is insanely good. Just as good as in 2018 when he was arguably the dominant closer in baseball.

That's what makes the 2019 Diaz such a headscratcher. He is still getting the swings and misses like he used to. But when they put the ball in play, they get hits. And too often, they get home runs. 15 HR in 58 innings. A home run every four innings! I am trying to reconcile that stat with his strikeout stat, and I simply cannot.

All I can do is hope that it's fixable. If it is, the bullpen is largely (not completely) fixed and we are in the playoffs. I applaud the Mets for deciding that he is worth the effort.
 
Guess who just got the kiss of death? From Mike Francessa today,"I know Twins are improved. Just can’t see them beating the Bombers.":Pray: :Praying::Pray: :Praying:
 
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That's what makes the 2019 Diaz such a headscratcher. He is still getting the swings and misses like he used to. But when they put the ball in play, they get hits. And too often, they get home runs. 15 HR in 58 innings. A home run every four innings! I am trying to reconcile that stat with his strikeout stat, and I simply cannot.

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It is a bit odd. I’m sure there are several reasons, as you don’t have as many problems as he had this year without there being multiple reasons. That said, there are two that I’ve seen. One, he was inconsistent with what was supposed to be his best pitch—his slider. Way too often he would hang it, just dangling over the plate for hitters to launch into the stratosphere. Other times it was very good, slicing down and away from the heart of the plate and getting Ks. Two, his control was off, which too often put him in hitters’ counts and the hitters could sit dead red (this was, by the way, the real problem Armando Benitez always had—way too often behind in the count). So he was also taken deep more often on his fastball in bad counts. On the other hand, when he got ahead in the count, he’d get lots of Ks because the hitter couldn’t sit on a particular pitch and was way more susceptible to getting beat by either fastball or slider.

There are probably more reasons. But I hope he can fix these. It’d be nice to find out that his problems were fixable pitching issues and not the “he can’t handle NY” problem that, while it can be true, the media too often concludes is the problem.
 
It is a bit odd. I’m sure there are several reasons, as you don’t have as many problems as he had this year without there being multiple reasons. That said, there are two that I’ve seen. One, he was inconsistent with what was supposed to be his best pitch—his slider. Way too often he would hang it, just dangling over the plate for hitters to launch into the stratosphere. Other times it was very good, slicing down and away from the heart of the plate and getting Ks. Two, his control was off, which too often put him in hitters’ counts and the hitters could sit dead red (this was, by the way, the real problem Armando Benitez always had—way too often behind in the count). So he was also taken deep more often on his fastball in bad counts. On the other hand, when he got ahead in the count, he’d get lots of Ks because the hitter couldn’t sit on a particular pitch and was way more susceptible to getting beat by either fastball or slider.

There are probably more reasons. But I hope he can fix these. It’d be nice to find out that his problems were fixable pitching issues and not the “he can’t handle NY” problem that, while it can be true, the media too often concludes is the problem.
I believe it was Ron Darling that pointed out on mult occasions that Diaz has a tendency to drop his arm sometimes in his delivery of the slider. When he comes overhead, it has a nasty bit/drop and when he drops it, it hangs with no drop at all...
It is a mechanical issue but to me, if it is that obvious to RD in the booth, obviously both Diaz and his coaches see it too...So, it becomes a mental issue.
His K's and the ability at times to have hitter have no shot at all of even making contact is what gives everyone some hope that he can turn it around. He was also very good at the beginning of the season and his first 24 appearances. It really could be a "cant play in NY" type of situation. It has happened before.
 
Sooo- BoSox are shopping Betts- talks start with a starting pitcher and MB is only a 1 year rental. If you are the Met's, do you even attempt talks starting with Noah?
They say BoSox also want top prospects...that is an issue unless someone like D Smith counts. And again, Betts is FA after next year. A guy like this would take our offense from pretty good to one of the best in the league.
 
Sooo- BoSox are shopping Betts- talks start with a starting pitcher and MB is only a 1 year rental. If you are the Met's, do you even attempt talks starting with Noah?
They say BoSox also want top prospects...that is an issue unless someone like D Smith counts. And again, Betts is FA after next year. A guy like this would take our offense from pretty good to one of the best in the league.

Betts is amazing but we're not going to sign him long term so I'd pass.
 
Betts is amazing but we're not going to sign him long term so I'd pass.
Did I read another post where someone said Betts for Thor, Nimmo, and Davis? That's crazy. The Mets would be giving up too much for one guy. Thor would be a straight trade, but the Mets problem is as much as position players as it is bullpen help. Unless Betts is BP help, it's not the first or second or third move I would make as the Mets' GM.
 
Did I read another post where someone said Betts for Thor, Nimmo, and Davis? That's crazy. The Mets would be giving up too much for one guy. Thor would be a straight trade, but the Mets problem is as much as position players as it is bullpen help. Unless Betts is BP help, it's not the first or second or third move I would make as the Mets' GM.
That would be a crazy trade for someone who will be a free agent in a year.
 
That would be a crazy trade for someone who will be a free agent in a year.
Way to much for a 1 year rental. If we had Betts for a 2nd year...then could be interesting but would rather swap Smith rather than Davis.
This is where having no prospects left hurts us. Then again, not sure I would want him for just a year unless he was the single missing piece.
 
Sooo- BoSox are shopping Betts- talks start with a starting pitcher and MB is only a 1 year rental. If you are the Met's, do you even attempt talks starting with Noah?
They say BoSox also want top prospects...that is an issue unless someone like D Smith counts. And again, Betts is FA after next year. A guy like this would take our offense from pretty good to one of the best in the league.
They already said Syndergaard is staying so that means no Wheeler and no trade chips for Betts.
 
Why are Syndergaard and Wheeler mutually exclusive?
IMO, If Syndergaard is staying, theyll just do the QO to Wheeler, which he will turn down. If they wanted Wheeler (which it looks like they dont except for the QO), then Syndergaard would be available along with Davis and/or Smith. Who else would they want?

Matz? [roll]
Diaz? [roll]
Flexen? :Poop
 
IMO, If Syndergaard is staying, theyll just do the QO to Wheeler, which he will turn down. If they wanted Wheeler (which it looks like they dont except for the QO), then Syndergaard would be available along with Davis and/or Smith. Who else would they want?

Matz? [roll]
Diaz? [roll]
Flexen? :Poop
I would love to keep the starting pitching staff stack with Wheeler returning. You can never have enough starting pitching over the course of 162 games. I do believe you can trade an extra body (position player) for a reliever and hit the market for the rest. I don't believe in giving away too many position players for too many flakey relievers.

The Mets wouldn't even be in this position if they didn't have huge contracts like Cespedes and Cano. The money would be there.
 
Why trade so much for Betts when you can go after him in a year and slot him the Ces money which expires after next season? Also if Ces is healthy (which i doubt) an outfield of Ces, Nimmo and Conforto is more than adequate for next year.

Cano kills us because I would prefer McNeill at 2nd and Davis at 3rd. Probably going to have to go McNeill 3B, Cano 2B and Davis as the utility guy.
 
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They already said Syndergaard is staying so that means no Wheeler and no trade chips for Betts.
I never believe what is said publicly

Why trade so much for Betts when you can go after him in a year and slot him the Ces money which expires after next season? Also if Ces is healthy (which i doubt) an outfield of Ces, Nimmo and Conforto is more than adequate for next year.

Cano kills us because I would prefer McNeill at 2nd and Davis at 3rd. Probably going to have to go McNeill 3B, Cano 2B and Davis as the utility guy.
If McNeil is 3B and Cano 2B. Why wouldn’t you have Davis in LF unless you think Cesp is healthy. Davis needs 500 AB next year.
 
I never believe what is said publicly


If McNeil is 3B and Cano 2B. Why wouldn’t you have Davis in LF unless you think Cesp is healthy. Davis needs 500 AB next year.
Agree regarding Davis, assumption was if Ces was healthy. Having had 3 foot surgeries myself, I am doubting he plays but he is younger than me (although I am better looking)
 
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I can't believe how many Yankee trolls write on this board. Didn't they make the playoffs and don't they have their own thread? Maybe we should have the mods merge the two threads.

lotta trolls out there which is embarrassing more for the troll then who they are insulting. I never understood the point of a troll. As for me I just feel bad for the Mets fans. The constant losing and coming up short on expectations year after year is hard to take (as a RU fan I know). The busts of big players are even more infuriating. While several have argued that the Mets fans are not as classy as yankee fans , while mostly likeky true, is hard to prove so don’t understand why bring it up. Mets fan seem happy with a 500 season so this year seems like a big success. So let’s just be happy. Yankee fans can worry about the world series.
 
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