OT: 2022-23 NHL thread….Devils & Rangers & Islanders

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I’m fine with Nils Lundqvist not reporting.
Wasn’t impressed, but could easily be wrong.
Rangers have mismanaged assets pretty bad of recent. Lundkvist is a top 4 dman and a pp qb but rangers are gonna have to dump him for like a 3rd now.

Granted this next point is looking ahead but rangers are so fvcked this july when they have to re-up kandre and laff. Especially after the contract ottawa just handed stutzle. Have to move at minimum lindgren and kakko (maybe goodrow too) to fit laff and kandres new deals. Ideally youd move trouba and kakko but trouba’s NMC will have another year left on it. Rangers hand out NMC’s way too easy.
 
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Rangers have mismanaged assets pretty bad of recent. Lundkvist is a top 4 dman and a pp qb but rangers are gonna have to dump him for like a 3rd now.

Granted this next point is looking ahead but rangers are so fvcked this july when they have to re-up kandre and laff. Especially after the contract ottawa just handed stutzle. Have to move at minimum lindgren and kakko (maybe goodrow too) to fit laff and kandres new deals. Ideally youd move trouba and kakko but trouba’s NMC will have another year left on it. Rangers hand out NMC’s way too easy.
Great to have you aboard Kyk, had no idea you were a knowledgeable hockey fan.
Rangers are a playoff team, with an elite goal tender who can take them deep into the tournament.
Without getting into Drury, management and salary caps. “I hate that shit”
The Rangers will go as far as Kakko, Laff and Flip take them.
This is whether they remain as a line or separated.
Their play individually will determine how good we become.
K’Andre is a star.
 
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Rangers have mismanaged assets pretty bad of recent. Lundkvist is a top 4 dman and a pp qb but rangers are gonna have to dump him for like a 3rd now.

Granted this next point is looking ahead but rangers are so fvcked this july when they have to re-up kandre and laff. Especially after the contract ottawa just handed stutzle. Have to move at minimum lindgren and kakko (maybe goodrow too) to fit laff and kandres new deals. Ideally youd move trouba and kakko but trouba’s NMC will have another year left on it. Rangers hand out NMC’s way too easy.

Agree 1000% on the NMCs. If you want to offer them, my opinion is three AT MOST.

With a hard cap, these contracts will bite you in the ass most of the time. It takes one team to offer a marginal player a great deal (think Edmonton, Benoit Poulliot @ $4.5-5 million), to explode salaries; THEN add previous promises to not trade someone. The Rangers need to be much more judicious.

I consider a NMC to be a perk. Normally, a perk, is met with a lesser financial burden, but that never seems to happen.
 

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Great to have you aboard Kyk, had no idea you were a knowledgeable hockey fan.
Rangers are a playoff team, with an elite goal tender who can take them deep into the tournament.
Without getting into Drury, management and salary caps. “I hate that shit”
The Rangers will go as far as Kakko, Laff and Flip take them.
This is whether they remain as a line or separated.
Their play individually will determine how good we become.
K’Andre is a star.
Kandre’s ceiling is so high. He has tremendous offensive upside as well which hasnt even been on display yet. Hes ryan mcdonagh with more size imo.

im intrigued to see how turk handles that first line vacancy on wing. I hope we roll with laff there but then kreider has to switch sides, which shouldnt be a big deal but who knows with turk. Id roll with
Kreider-Mika-Laff
Panarin-Trocheck-Kakko
Blais-Chytil-Krav
Goodrow-Carpenter-Hunt/Reaves/Rydahl
I have to believe one of carp, hunt, rydahl starts in AHL and I lean towards it being one of carp and hunt as i dont think rydahl comes over the pond the play in the A

Lingren-Fox
Kandre-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
 
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Also, id love to see laff fill the strome vacancy on PP1 but we all know turk is gonna throw in trocheck there. Trocheck is his guy and he also played the same bumper position on carolinas pp.

Side note, my buddy was on carolina last year with trocheck and says trocheck is gonna put up 70+ this year. Said rod always matched up trocheck with the other teams top line as hes a great 2 way center and feels turk is gonna get him and panarin good matchups at home.
 

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Also, id love to see laff fill the strome vacancy on PP1 but we all know turk is gonna throw in trocheck there. Trocheck is his guy and he also played the same bumper position on carolinas pp.

Side note, my buddy was on carolina last year with trocheck and says trocheck is gonna put up 70+ this year. Said rod always matched up trocheck with the other teams top line as hes a great 2 way center and feels turk is gonna get him and panarin good matchups at home.
No way Laff can center the PP Kyk.
Line combinations are ridiculously plentiful and up in the air.
Even Goodrow can end up in top 6.
Your buddy has to be DeAngelo 😊
 

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You can’t have a thread about both teams
I hate the rangers and you hate the devils
I don’t care about your 3rd line combo and you don’t care about how the devils have 25 players under 6 foot and 180 lbs
 
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It’s amazing how much the game has changed. Guys like John LeClair and Dave Anderchuck (sp?) would never make a NHL roster today.
Yet the average guy is far bigger and stronger.
Plus….they’d make it and thrive imo, there’s plenty of huge forwards in the league, including a 235 pounder with 700 goals
 
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Kandre’s ceiling is so high. He has tremendous offensive upside as well which hasnt even been on display yet. Hes ryan mcdonagh with more size imo.

im intrigued to see how turk handles that first line vacancy on wing. I hope we roll with laff there but then kreider has to switch sides, which shouldnt be a big deal but who knows with turk. Id roll with
Kreider-Mika-Laff
Panarin-Trocheck-Kakko
Blais-Chytil-Krav
Goodrow-Carpenter-Hunt/Reaves/Rydahl
I have to believe one of carp, hunt, rydahl starts in AHL and I lean towards it being one of carp and hunt as i dont think rydahl comes over the pond the play in the A

Lingren-Fox
Kandre-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Very excited for the NYR's season to start. The NHL season is WAY too long, but it's time to get going.
 

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The Devils made some solid moves this off-season. They should be competing for a playoff spot this year. Offense was not their issue last year, it was the goaltending. If they can stay healthy at that spot, should be improved.
 
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Happy with the off-season moves. A lot of those late addition pieces last year were wastes. Wasn't impressed with anyone except maybe Tyler Motte. Core is solid, but the kids need to elevate their game for the Rangers to have success this year. Panarin is a PP specialist at this point, and disappears during 5 on 5. Kreider also disappeared outside of the PP in the playoffs last year. Need to find a line combination that allows him to produce in 5 on 5.
 

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Their play individually will determine how good we become.
K’Andre is a star.

Kandre’s ceiling is so high. He has tremendous offensive upside as well which hasnt even been on display yet. Hes ryan mcdonagh with more size imo.

im intrigued to see how turk handles that first line vacancy on wing. I hope we roll with laff there but then kreider has to switch sides, which shouldnt be a big deal but who knows with turk. Id roll with
Kreider-Mika-Laff
Panarin-Trocheck-Kakko
Blais-Chytil-Krav
Goodrow-Carpenter-Hunt/Reaves/Rydahl
I have to believe one of carp, hunt, rydahl starts in AHL and I lean towards it being one of carp and hunt as i dont think rydahl comes over the pond the play in the A

Lingren-Fox
Kandre-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
First time I saw him play at Wisky I was like “who is this guy?” in a wow way.

He is almost there NHL-wise.

I’d pay to see Hughes, him and some of the other Rangers defensemen play.

Partial to defensemen as my older boy played that in college. So that’s what/who I watch.

K’Andre and Jack are something to see in person and up close near the glass.
 

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First time I saw him play at Wisky I was like “who is this guy?” in a wow way.

He is almost there NHL-wise.

I’d pay to see Hughes, him and some of the other Rangers defensemen play.

Partial to defensemen as my older boy played that in college. So that’s what/who I watch.

K’Andre and Jack are something to see in person and up close near the glass.
Only saw a bit of K'Andre in college but "wow" is correct.

It kind of took a back seat to the team's surprise success, but he was excellent last year. I've never seen a defenseman's play jump so much as Millers did between 2 years ago and last year. Kid has unlimited potential
 

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It’s amazing how much the game has changed. Guys like John LeClair and Dave Anderchuck (sp?) would never make a NHL roster today.
Same with defensive defensemen like Mr Devil Kenny D. and Jeff Beukeboom, (sp) most likely wrong, not a meant slight to NYR fan's. Very astute posts. Those bigger forwards probably never get the chance to prove themselves today.

I hated the way Boom's career ended with that cheap shot!
 

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I’m fine with Nils Lundqvist not reporting.
Wasn’t impressed, but could easily be wrong.
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You didn’t really get a fair look at Lundkvist because most of his ice time with the Rangers was paired with Nemeth, who was horrendous last year.

Interesting fact, there were 301 defensemen who played in the NHL last year. The Rangers had three ranked lower than 295 (Nemeth, Tinordi and Hayek).

A strong argument can be made that poor deployment decisions in the bottom pair D and bottom 6 forwards kept the Rangers from winning the Metro and making the Final.
 
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You didn’t really get a fair look at Lundkvist because most of his ice time with the Rangers was paired with Nemeth, who was horrendous last year.

Interesting fact, there were 301 defensemen who played in the NHL last year. The Rangers had three ranked lower than 295 (Nemeth, Tinordi and Hayek).

A strong argument can be made that poor deployment decisions in the bottom pair D and bottom 6 forwards kept the Rangers from winning the Metro and making the Final.
Nemeth was terrible. That said, Nils didn't exactly hit it out of the park in Hartford when he was down there.

I thought Drury did a good job with the trade. Always tough to get appropriate value when someone is demanding out.
 

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Nemeth was terrible. That said, Nils didn't exactly hit it out of the park in Hartford when he was down there.

I thought Drury did a good job with the trade. Always tough to get appropriate value when someone is demanding out.
I don’t give much weight to the performance of defenseman in the AHL because there is less structure there is in the NHL. Schneider looked better with the Rangers than he did with Hartford.
 
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You didn’t really get a fair look at Lundkvist because most of his ice time with the Rangers was paired with Nemeth, who was horrendous last year.

Interesting fact, there were 301 defensemen who played in the NHL last year. The Rangers had three ranked lower than 295 (Nemeth, Tinordi and Hayek).

A strong argument can be made that poor deployment decisions in the bottom pair D and bottom 6 forwards kept the Rangers from winning the Metro and making the Final.

Just my opinion, but Lundquist biggest attribute was to QB the PP.
With Fox and Trouba, what he brings to the table is greatly diminished. His defense is average, no better.

Wish him well in Dallas, but hope Dallas has 2 really bad years consecutively.
 

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Just my opinion, but Lundquist biggest attribute was to QB the PP.
With Fox and Trouba, what he brings to the table is greatly diminished. His defense is average, no better.

Wish him well in Dallas, but hope Dallas has 2 really bad years consecutively.
He shoots more than your typical PP quarterback. He has a much better shot than Trouba, so an argument could made that he fit on the 3rd pair at 5v5 and the defenseman on the PP2 unit for the Rangers, but since on the Rangers the second unit only gets about 20 seconds per power play he really didn’t have a potential role for them.
 

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Great trade for the Rangers! The player publically said he wanted out, and they get this package.

For Dallas he needs to be Zubov 2.O. As a NJD fan, I wish this GM had a job in the mid to late 90's when Johnny Mac. forced a trade in season. The NJD only got Doug Bodger, and never regained their mojo.
 

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Great trade for the Rangers! The player publically said he wanted out, and they get this package.

For Dallas he needs to be Zubov 2.O. As a NJD fan, I wish this GM had a job in the mid to late 90's when Johnny Mac. forced a trade in season. The NJD only got Doug Bodger, and never regained their mojo.
This situation is a little different from when players already in the league declare they want a trade.

If an NHL player making $3-4 million demanded a trade right now, the trading team has little leverage because quite a few teams can’t take on that cap hit, so the small amount of interested teams means the trade return won’t be great.

The Rangers had a lot of leverage here and allegedly had turned down a few offers that only included a 2nd rounder. Lundkvist is still considered a very good prospect, he plays a position (offensive RHD) that is in short supply in the league and is on his ELC so virtually all teams could fit his cap.

If you want to talk about a ridiculous trade of a player who demanded to leave, it is Marty St Louis telling Tampa Bay he wanted to be traded and only to the Rangers, and the Rangers with all of the leverage in the world managed to still give up Ryan Callahan and two first round picks for him.
 
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This situation is a little different from when players already in the league declare they want a trade.

If an NHL player making $3-4 million demanded a trade right now, the trading team has little leverage because quite a few teams can’t take on that cap hit, so the small amount of interested teams means the trade return won’t be great.

The Rangers had a lot of leverage here and allegedly had turned down a few offers that only included a 2nd rounder. Lundkvist is still considered a very good prospect, he plays a position (offensive RHD) that is in short supply in the league and is on his ELC so virtually all teams could fit his cap.

If you want to talk about a ridiculous trade of a player who demanded to leave, it is Marty St Louis telling Tampa Bay he wanted to be traded and only to the Rangers, and the Rangers with all of the leverage in the world managed to still give up Ryan Callahan and two first round picks for him.
True, I still think the NYR and fans should be tickled pink! If he is not a 🌟 in Dallas that GM will rightfully be fired. If he is not, well then they have an ownership problem, like my NJD.
 

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True, I still think the NYR and fans should be tickled pink! If he is not a 🌟 in Dallas that GM will rightfully be fired. If he is not, well then they have an ownership problem, like my NJD.
I am not particularly happy because I think they made a premature decision to favor Schneider over Lundkvist. It is going to be interesting to see who they use as their 3rd pair LHD.

Once they decided to trade him, I am as happy with the return they got for him as I was unhappy with the return on the Buchnevich trade.

it is the easiest prediction in the world that if they are in contention the Rangers will trade for rentals at the deadline (they can’t afford to take on cap for next year), so at least now when they trade a 1st round pick for 30 games of a second line RW they will still have another first to use in what is supposed to be a good draft.
 

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I am not particularly happy because I think they made a premature decision to favor Schneider over Lundkvist. It is going to be interesting to see who they use as their 3rd pair LHD.

Once they decided to trade him, I am as happy with the return they got for him as I was unhappy with the return on the Buchnevich trade.

it is the easiest prediction in the world that if they are in contention the Rangers will trade for rentals at the deadline (they can’t afford to take on cap for next year), so at least now when they trade a 1st round pick for 30 games of a second line RW they will still have another first to use in what is supposed to be a good draft.
As usual you have a great level headed way to look at it. I think as time goes on you will be happier and happier.
 

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Love GG keeping the kid line in tact (For Now Anyway)
If they even approach the level they achieved during the playoffs, opposing teams will have to start matching their D pairings against them…that right there will make us difficult to play against
 
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Love GG keeping the kid line in tact (For Now Anyway)
If they even approach the level they achieved during the playoffs, opposing teams will have to start matching their D pairings against them…that right there will make us difficult to play against
I do too. Of course, this results in Blais and Kratsov on RW on first two lines.
 

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The Devils made some solid moves this off-season. They should be competing for a playoff spot this year. Offense was not their issue last year, it was the goaltending. If they can stay healthy at that spot, should be improved.

They might be somewhat improved but in the Metro they’d have to be significantly better to reach the playoffs. I don’t see enough upgrades to the roster to see significant improvement.
 

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Quick Devils (and Rangers) question... I recently switched to Hulu Live instead of Xfinity which I had for years. I don't think i'll get MSG so therefore no Devils games or Knicks, or Rangers... I'm a Devils fan, so not as concerned about Rangers.

Is there another way to watch MSG, specifically the Devils that you guys know of? Is there an NHL network, like the MLB or NFL have?
 

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I am not particularly happy because I think they made a premature decision to favor Schneider over Lundkvist. It is going to be interesting to see who they use as their 3rd pair LHD.

Once they decided to trade him, I am as happy with the return they got for him as I was unhappy with the return on the Buchnevich trade.

it is the easiest prediction in the world that if they are in contention the Rangers will trade for rentals at the deadline (they can’t afford to take on cap for next year), so at least now when they trade a 1st round pick for 30 games of a second line RW they will still have another first to use in what is supposed to be a good draft.
Might that be Patrick Kane?
 

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Might that be Patrick Kane?
I sure hope not.

Not that Kane hasn’t been a great player (and is still decent), but it would worsen the Rangers’ already flawed strategy of paying too many old players so they have to dump younger ones when they are due raises (it cost them Buchnevich and probably means Chytil is gone after this year already. Adding Kane would cost 1-2 other young players)