OT: Any amateur historians out there?
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Looks like a central Jersey artifact to me - maybe the crest of the Taylor family, famous for pork roll
Awesome find. I have a metal detector but I have never found something that cool. I consider myself an amateur historian and here is my take:
1. DO NOT CLEAN IT. To me, It looks to be late 1700's. The shape of the loop at the top leads me to believe it was hand made and from that time period. If so, it is in great shape. It looks like a family crest of sorts. It doesn't look like a military piece to me, but I could be wrong.
2. How did you find it? How deep was it?
3. Do you know anything about the history of the property? Who lived there?
4. I would make a post here: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/relic-hunting/
those people know everything about this kinda stuff.
5. If online identification doesn't work, Take it to the local historical society. I would not tell anyone where you found it until you trust them. Next thing you know there will be amateur treasure hunters begging to search your yard.
Keep us posted!
1. DO NOT CLEAN IT. To me, It looks to be late 1700's. The shape of the loop at the top leads me to believe it was hand made and from that time period. If so, it is in great shape. It looks like a family crest of sorts. It doesn't look like a military piece to me, but I could be wrong.
2. How did you find it? How deep was it?
3. Do you know anything about the history of the property? Who lived there?
4. I would make a post here: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/relic-hunting/
those people know everything about this kinda stuff.
5. If online identification doesn't work, Take it to the local historical society. I would not tell anyone where you found it until you trust them. Next thing you know there will be amateur treasure hunters begging to search your yard.
Keep us posted!
@RobertG Nice to see another person in Middletown. Guessing you live on Kings Highway?
I'm renting an escavator now, should be there by morning to give your yard a good once over
Been looking for that for a couple of days - glad you found it - will swing by to pick it up later...
I'm an amateur historian.
I make stuff up all the time and pass it off as fact.
I make stuff up all the time and pass it off as fact.
To me it looks like a double headed eagle with a crown above - could be Russian. Just a guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Russia
After some more research, I think there is a pretty good chance what you have is a Hessian pendant. Specifically, from the 8th Hessian Infantry. "The Regiment was commanded by von Trumbach until 1778 when Major General C. von Bose became the commander. Von Bose came from the German State of Hesse-Kassel and began their march from Hofgeismar on 13 February 1776 to the port city of Bremerlehe in the north. They then set sail on 23 March to New York on August 15th 1776. The Regiment arrived at Sandy Hook, New Jersey as part of a large fleet of troop transports with other Hessian units." --- LINK to source
Take a look at a cartridge box plate from that unit
Looks to me like it is the same Lion on your relic. The same lion appears on many Hessian mitre caps.
The double eagle was also common in many Eurpean countries, including Germany in the 1700's.
Take it to Monmouth Battlefield State Park Museum. Someone there will be able to idenitfy it.
After some more research, I think there is a pretty good chance what you have is a Hessian pendant. Specifically, from the 8th Hessian Infantry. "The Regiment was commanded by von Trumbach until 1778 when Major General C. von Bose became the commander. Von Bose came from the German State of Hesse-Kassel and began their march from Hofgeismar on 13 February 1776 to the port city of Bremerlehe in the north. They then set sail on 23 March to New York on August 15th 1776. The Regiment arrived at Sandy Hook, New Jersey as part of a large fleet of troop transports with other Hessian units." --- LINK to source
Take a look at a cartridge box plate from that unit
Looks to me like it is the same Lion on your relic. The same lion appears on many Hessian mitre caps.
The double eagle was also common in many Eurpean countries, including Germany in the 1700's.
Take it to Monmouth Battlefield State Park Museum. Someone there will be able to idenitfy it.
good call! or the Whitall House / Red Bank Battlefield... here's their facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/whitallhouse/
I know exactly what it is
and I ain't telling. Jk
The British Army marched thru and camped in Middletown during their retreat from the Battle of Monmouth.
https://www.revolutionarywarnewjers...wns/middletown_nj_revolutionary_war_sites.htm
and I ain't telling. Jk
The British Army marched thru and camped in Middletown during their retreat from the Battle of Monmouth.
https://www.revolutionarywarnewjers...wns/middletown_nj_revolutionary_war_sites.htm
After some more research, I think there is a pretty good chance what you have is a Hessian pendant. Specifically, from the 8th Hessian Infantry. "The Regiment was commanded by von Trumbach until 1778 when Major General C. von Bose became the commander. Von Bose came from the German State of Hesse-Kassel and began their march from Hofgeismar on 13 February 1776 to the port city of Bremerlehe in the north. They then set sail on 23 March to New York on August 15th 1776. The Regiment arrived at Sandy Hook, New Jersey as part of a large fleet of troop transports with other Hessian units." --- LINK to source
Take a look at a cartridge box plate from that unit
Looks to me like it is the same Lion on your relic. The same lion appears on many Hessian mitre caps.
The double eagle was also common in many Eurpean countries, including Germany in the 1700's.
Take it to Monmouth Battlefield State Park Museum. Someone there will be able to idenitfy it.
That would be a wild find.
Why clean it at all before showing it to a qualified person.Let that professional determine if it should be cleaned.LOL
I’m going join in the hessian theme
I think it might be from a hessian headgear (pointy helmet-like). Some of the pictures I’ve seen have had them as layered with plates on either the front or sides.
here’s one from the Museum of the American Revolution site
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/collection/hessian-headgear
others via google link
https://www.google.com/search?sourc...j33i22i29i30.oIJH6YJNt3Q#imgrc=knz8vo54TgyvtM:
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I originally thought it was a part of the headgear, but the loop at the top tells me that it was hanging from something. As far as I know, they did not have things dangling off their headgear. It makes me believe it was a pendant or even something from an officer's sword that hung off of the sheath.
Try emailing the American Museum of the Revolution in Philly:
Curatorial | curators@amrevmuseum.org
Education | education@amrevmuseum.org
Exhibitions | exhibits@amrevmuseum.org
Please keep us updated! This is really interesting stuff.
Try emailing the American Museum of the Revolution in Philly:
Curatorial | curators@amrevmuseum.org
Education | education@amrevmuseum.org
Exhibitions | exhibits@amrevmuseum.org
Please keep us updated! This is really interesting stuff.
Very cool. Another vote here that it is likely Hessian. The region/state of Hesse has used a similar looking standing lion in medals, coins, crests, statues, etc. since at least the 1400's. Would not be a surprise to find that symbol on an artifact in NJ. Search "Hesse lion" and you'll see how it is the most identifiable symbol for that region. Here's the current Hessen flag:
How did you find this? I assume it must have been buried. If it’s really 240 years old it would not be lying on the surface. So please give us more info about how you found this.
Check this out-- https://www.fortticonderoga.org/news/american-revsociety-of-the-cincinnati-gold-eagle-medal/
Never know what you may have..
Never know what you may have..
Your avatar is epic!Check this out-- https://www.fortticonderoga.org/news/american-revsociety-of-the-cincinnati-gold-eagle-medal/
Never know what you may have..
It was found by a friend of mine who is an Amateur archaeolgists so to speak. Knowing I had bought an old house he came over w a metal detector and found it along w some old lead toys from the early 1900s
It's about 3X4 you said, correct? How heavy is it? It looks too finely crafted for stuff I've seen pulled out of Monmouth Battleground. Copper or bronze pits a lot more than that over 200 years.
this and @RobertG don't use that metal cleaning shit... cuz that stuff can eat away at pennies(i've tried it).. be very careful with it .. best way to clean it imo is that high pressure thing that the dentist would use to clean the gum line area.. high pressure but not enough to eat away at anything(no pun intended)... you have a nice piece of history, don't fk it up
OK look what I just found:
https://queensguard-rutgers.org/our-university/our-coat-of-arms/
And read link to the queens guard page.
Is this the badge of Col Henry Rutgers?!
https://queensguard-rutgers.org/our-university/our-coat-of-arms/
And read link to the queens guard page.
Is this the badge of Col Henry Rutgers?!
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