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BLM.. the organization.. not the majority of the people following it.. has some real issues.
Black Lives Matter is not an organization. It is a front. Google them and go to the website. Click the Donate button. You will be instantly redirected to donate to an organization called ACT BLUE. Want to know who that is? according to OpenSecrets, it's a hybrid PAC/SuperPAC, and if you click expenditures, you will see where the money is going. All to politicians. It's a complete sham.
 
I could see that at the top of the top private schools but not the vast majority of them . Even the delbartons im not sure what kind of teachers they are getting . I know one of my former student treachery’s couldn’t get a job in my district but ended up getting one at delbarton .

Two former high level ADMINISTRATORS in my district (we’re talking a building principal and head of curriculum and development) who retired in their late 50’s/early 60’s because they were sick of the bullshit went on to TEACH in private high schools because they weren’t quite ready sit at home yet. Both are really enjoying it.

The healthcare is the only thing that keeps me in public ed and I’m hearing with the new ruling the NJ 10 plan is going to be more expensive and that the other plans will require more OOP expenses. Not sure if this is true though as I havent looked into it yet.

Personally speaking I’m ok with going back but I think teaching with a mask on while telling students who will likely be playing with their masks to keep theirs on will be a huge waste of time and not worth it. Like you said, no small group instruction and for a sci teach like myself that means half my stuff goes out the window. I’d rather just continue remote learning.
 
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so cute that you believe them. Remember when Obama used to have business symposiums and then do the exact opposite of what they recommended. Yes, please ask questions, fill out your surveys and then wait for our decree.
Disagree if you want, but. no need to be a condescending prick. Meanwhile, let T2K spout off with unabated bullshit opinions based on nothing but his hatred of public schools.
 
Our district sent out surveys to all the parents, and had multiple virtual discussion sessions with us around reopening. They have kept the parents very involved.
Careful, you will be denigrated as cute and gullible by cultists of whatever they believe in and don't have any actual experience to back up their beliefs except blind hatred of public schools.
 
The top 20 counties by number of deaths are all in our metro area, with the exception of Cook County, Ill and LA. The vast majority of these deaths occurred early in the pandemic. Deaths per day now is as low as it has ever been in the US. Also, blame all those deaths on Cuomo, Murphy, and Wolf. Governors and state assemblies run their states. It certainly wasn't the POTUS's fault that Cuomo ignored the USS Comfort and the Javits center, which had been rebuild as a COVID hospice by the Army Corps of Engineers, and decided instead to go ahead and force nursing homes to take in recovering COVID patients.

We have a republic. Do you know what that is? Start with Amendment 10 to the Constitution: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
The talking points believed on both sides are hilarious. The supporters of Democrats and bashers of Pres. Trump blindly ignore the fact that Gov. Murphy and the State of NJ did nothing to protect residents of long term care facilities. Death rates should be parsed out. Sending kids back to school is going to do very little to put a very large majority of people older that 65 at risk of death, unless they are living with their grandchildren, or if they happen to be older parents.

From June 4:
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...ve-been-residents-65-years-old-and-older.html

Nearly 80% of the 11,970 deaths attributed to the coronavirus in New Jersey have been residents 65 and older, with the outbreak especially ravaging the vulnerable population in longterm care facilities in the state.
Gov. Phil Murphy highlighted the grim figure Thursday during his daily coronavirus briefing in Trenton as he announced 92 additional deaths related to COVID-19 in the state.
It has been nearly three months since the state’s first death was reported on March 10.
“Seventy-nine and a half percent of the fatalities are of our older brothers and sisters of the age of 65 and older,” Murphy said.
Nearly half of the deaths — 47% — were of residents 80 or older.
At least 5,128 residents at New Jersey’s longterm care facilities, such as nursing and veterans homes, have died from complications related to COVID-19 That’s about 43% of the state’s lab-confirmed deaths.
 
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Careful, you will be denigrated as cute and gullible by cultists of whatever they believe in and don't have any actual experience to back up their beliefs except blind hatred of public schools.
They want to tear down public schools in the hope of cutting their taxes to zero.

He rather have half the population not have a high school education. If you can’t afford private schooling, that’s your problem.
 
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Must be the same group who all hated Murphy when you said his approval ratings of 70 something percent were fake because everyone you talk to can't stand him. I reccomend you widen your horizon. 137,000 dead Americans is bs lol.
Yeah, I never said that. What I said is phone polls are useless. Nobody with a job, life, or any responsibilities is taking time to take a poll on the phone.
 
They want to tear down public schools in the hope of cutting their taxes to zero.

He rather have half the population not have a high school education. If you can’t afford private schooling, that’s your problem.
lol. Nobody wants to tear down public schools. That being said, we would like kids who are educated in districts spending over 20k a year per student to be able to pass basic skills tests. Not exactly a high bar........
 
So most people you speak to think this is all about an election? Then I know for a fact that you aren't speaking to a good cross section of people if that is the case. A bunch of people all with the same ideas.
no, its a a very diverse cross section. If it's not about power and politics then what is it about? it sure isn't science. in NY most team sports are still not allowed. Yet, camps are. so you can't play soccer with your team but you can go to soccer camp. NJSIAA just released their rules. Captains practices can start this week as phase 1. Yet, those same sports if not associated with a school are phase 2. How does that work?
 
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lol. Nobody wants to tear down public schools. That being said, we would like kids who are educated in districts spending over 20k a year per student to be able to pass basic skills tests. Not exactly a high bar........
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Two former high level ADMINISTRATORS in my district (we’re talking a building principal and head of curriculum and development) who retired in their late 50’s/early 60’s because they were sick of the bullshit went on to TEACH in private high schools because they weren’t quite ready sit at home yet. Both are really enjoying it.

The healthcare is the only thing that keeps me in public ed and I’m hearing with the new ruling the NJ 10 plan is going to be more expensive and that the other plans will require more OOP expenses. Not sure if this is true though as I havent looked into it yet.

Personally speaking I’m ok with going back but I think teaching with a mask on while telling students who will likely be playing with their masks to keep theirs on will be a huge waste of time and not worth it. Like you said, no small group instruction and for a sci teach like myself that means half my stuff goes out the window. I’d rather just continue remote learning.
Those folks made good decisions and are enjoying the results!
 
They want to tear down public schools in the hope of cutting their taxes to zero.

He rather have half the population not have a high school education. If you can’t afford private schooling, that’s your problem.
Not true. I would be happy to pay the same amount of taxes if we gave parents the option to send their kids to the school of their choice (not just feed the low quality public monopoly).
 
public education in america is how you get defund the police and morons setting up autonomous zones outside city hall. Public education is why 18 year olds think socialism might work
You are clueless . It must also be how you have kkk and white nationalists and pizzagate conspiracy theorists . Trump university is a much better option .
 
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Two former high level ADMINISTRATORS in my district (we’re talking a building principal and head of curriculum and development) who retired in their late 50’s/early 60’s because they were sick of the bullshit went on to TEACH in private high schools because they weren’t quite ready sit at home yet. Both are really enjoying it.

The healthcare is the only thing that keeps me in public ed and I’m hearing with the new ruling the NJ 10 plan is going to be more expensive and that the other plans will require more OOP expenses. Not sure if this is true though as I havent looked into it yet.

Personally speaking I’m ok with going back but I think teaching with a mask on while telling students who will likely be playing with their masks to keep theirs on will be a huge waste of time and not worth it. Like you said, no small group instruction and for a sci teach like myself that means half my stuff goes out the window. I’d rather just continue remote learning.
I was speaking with my teaching friend about your last paragraph . We both said that teaching kids in this climate will be a distraction, watered down and for the most part substandard for some of the reasons you said . Kids will be distracted , playing with masks , teachers won’t circulate the room at all or as much . I know a 60 year old teacher in my building that who if she comes in already said she is basically going to stand at the front of the room because she doesn’t want to get too close to the kids . This isn’t effective teaching , especially at the elementary levels .
 
I was speaking with my teaching friend about your last paragraph . We both said that teaching kids in this climate will be a distraction, watered down and for the most part substandard for some of the reasons you said . Kids will be distracted , playing with masks , teachers won’t circulate the room at all or as much . I know a 60 year old teacher in my building that who if she comes in already said she is basically going to stand at the front of the room because she doesn’t want to get too close to the kids . This isn’t effective teaching , especially at the elementary levels .

Maybe we should defund the teachers unions and start over with a new education system that meets the needs of the local communities, instead of the mess we have in public education today.
 
Maybe we should defund the teachers unions and start over with a new education system that meets the needs of the local communities, instead of the mess we have in public education today.
The community I am in supports their school system and the education , test scores , etc are all top notch . Obviously this isn’t the case everywhere but you could say the same thing about some privates that you are paying good money for .

As with most education at the lower levels , it’s all about resources , particularly at home. If you do not have the parental support, structure and resources to support the school it becomes very difficult , no matter where you are from .
 
My wife has never been a teacher. She’s in the home stretch of getting a nice gig teaching at a highly rated HS. She will do alternate route, nice salary, and I save 30k a year in health care costs.
Good for her, it is a very fulfilling career. Just curious - public or private?
 
Maybe we should defund the teachers unions and start over with a new education system that meets the needs of the local communities, instead of the mess we have in public education today.
The mess we have in public education has little to do with the schools and lot to do with massive amounts of poverty in the US vs our peer countries.
 
The mess we have in public education has little to do with the schools and lot to do with massive amounts of poverty in the US vs our peer countries.
True.

My anecdotal info - my wife works for a relatively small/poor district - so most families are pretty close to the same footing financially. And almost all the "problem" kids she has seen over her career have one thing in common - really bad parents. Really bad. As in, you know within 5 minutes of meeting someone where this is heading. Poverty/bad parents may be a chicken/egg thing. There are plenty of poor parents that step up. But many are ill equipped to succeed, or even try.
 
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The mess we have in public education has little to do with the schools and lot to do with massive amounts of poverty in the US vs our peer countries.
while I don't disagree, who exactly are our peer countries
 
True.

My anecdotal info - my wife works for a relatively small/poor district - so most families are pretty close to the same footing financially. And almost all the "problem" kids she has seen over her career have one thing in common - really bad parents. Really bad. As in, you know within 5 minutes of meeting someone where this is heading. Poverty/bad parents may be a chicken/egg thing. There are plenty of poor parents that step up. But many are ill equipped to succeed, or even try.
I know that parents are important to make sure kids are doing their work and trying to learn. However, when we were going to school, back in the 60’s, my parents never went to school or any type of parents night. My parents just wanted us to get good grades, B or better, never helped with homework and made sure we went to college. They just knew a college degree would make the difference.
 
I know that parents are important to make sure kids are doing their work and trying to learn. However, when we were going to school, back in the 60’s, my parents never went to school or any type of parents night. My parents just wanted us to get good grades, B or better, never helped with homework and just wanted us to go to college. They just knew a college degree would make the difference.

That's a world a difference than going to school hungry, or after getting beaten, or having drugs in the home.

I think parents don't need to be (probably shouldn't be) involved in the day-today, but ideally they provide a stable, relatively stress free home environment for the child and set some minimum expectations. It sounds like you had that.
 
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That's a world a difference than going to school hungry, or after getting beaten, or having drugs in the home.

I think parents don't need to be (probably shouldn't be) involved in the day-today, but ideally they provide a stable, relatively stress free home environment for the child and set some minimum expectations. It sounds like you had that.

The breakfast thing is made to be bigger than it is. Our family never had breakfast before going to school. My sister, who later became a teacher, hated it when so much food was thrown away by the kids. We grew up in Paterson before moving to the suburbs when I was ten. There was no free food program when I was going to school and I remember days when I didn’t have money for lunch. I was finally glad when I could earn money at 16 to buy clothing and other things most people took for granted.
 
The breakfast thing is made to be bigger than it is. Our family never had breakfast before going to school. My sister, who later became a teacher, hated it when so much food was threw away by the kids. We grew up in Paterson before moving to the suburbs when I was ten. There was no free food program when I was going to school and I remember days when I didn’t have money for lunch. I was finally glad when I could earn money at 16 to buy clothing and other things most people took for granted.

I mean, I didn't say anything about breakfast.

Not having enough all the time <> grinding poverty or dysfunctional home.
 
Let's just say first world countries, EU, Japan, etc.
I don't see how those countries are our peers. Outside of being first world, what do we have in common? Where is Japan's Detroit? What EU country has a place like LA or NYC?
 
I don't see how those countries are our peers. Outside of being first world, what do we have in common? Where is Japan's Detroit? What EU country has a place like LA or NYC?

I mean, that's the entire point I was making. Other 1st world countries have done a much better job of making sure they don't have places with huge amounts of poverty. You can't fix Detroit by throwing money at schools.
 
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I mean, that's the entire point I was making. Other 1st world countries have done a much better job of making sure they don't have places with huge amounts of poverty. You can't fix Detroit by throwing money at schools.

What first world countries with 330M people from 100+ countries are you comparing us to?
 
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What first world countries with 330M people from 100+ countries are you comparing us to?

I mean, I didn't say there weren't reasons for the poverty, just that we have a lot of it and it makes the jobs of schools more difficult.

If it makes you happier to say we have no peer countries to compare to fine, it doesn't change the basic fact that schools can't fix the problems brought about by poverty/dysfunctional home life.
 
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I mean, I didn't say there weren't reasons for the poverty, just that we have a lot of it and it makes the jobs of schools more difficult.

If it makes you happier to say we have no peer countries to compare to fine, it doesn't change the basic fact that schools can't fix the problems brought about by poverty/dysfunctional home life.

You said we have massive amounts of poverty compared to our peer countries. What peer countries? Also, what is your definition of poverty, because I would love for you to come with me and see the "poverty" people are in here in NJ.
 
You said we have massive amounts of poverty compared to our peer countries. What peer countries? Also, what is your definition of poverty, because I would love for you to come with me and see the "poverty" people are in here in NJ.

I'm not going down a rabbit hole with you to prove a well establish fact of life backed up by numerous studies.
 
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I mean, I didn't say there weren't reasons for the poverty, just that we have a lot of it and it makes the jobs of schools more difficult.

If it makes you happier to say we have no peer countries to compare to fine, it doesn't change the basic fact that schools can't fix the problems brought about by poverty/dysfunctional home life.
I would agree its not the schools fault and they can't fix it. Throwing money at families won't fix it either. This whole issue is the result of one simple thing......men abandoning their families. Men having babies out of wedlock with multiple women and taking zero responsibility. Fix the family issues in these cities and other poor areas and you no longer have this large a problem.
 
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I'm not going down a rabbit hole with you to prove a well establish fact of life backed up by numerous studies.
I admire you for still fighting the good fight but there's no way you will change some people's minds. There are 5-6 people in this thread that have no clue what public education is truly like and just base their information on news articles and what their friends say on the street.

Valuable time is slipping away right now that could be spent training teachers to use technology more efficiently or simply acquiring technology through support from the federal government. Instead we have government leaders who are playing politics and living in denial of the actual realities of what's going on. The feds want schools to be safe supposedly but are doing nothing to help. They just want the problem to "go away".

I am in know way a hide in your home kind of guys either. I played my first softball games yesterday morning and took the family to eat outside at a local restaurant. It shouldn't be this hard to give the teachers the support to do their jobs effectively and safely. Instead, it's easier to spin the narrative to make them look bad or "scared".
 
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