Hope he leads the parade and never has to work another day in his life. A news story that should have had legs for a day went on for 13 years - ridiculous what happened to this guy.
OT: Bartman
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He's a great halloween costume, Cub hat, old fashion head phones and a glove...easy.
He's a guy who made a mistake that honestly just about any casual fan in that situation could have easily made.
Listen, we still have fans that make noise when we're on offense. Not everyone who attends a game is hanging on every nuance and has optimal situational awareness.
Heck, thousands poured the field in 2006 when there was still time on the clock which could have resulted in a penalty.
Recall the return guy on the ensuing kick off took it all the way to midfield. If the penalty had been imposed, who knows? Maybe he gets the team in FG range. Or worse, he takes it all the way to the house...
look again. Go back and watch the game. It wasnt his fault they lost.
Gonzalez's play or misplay was the big culprit. It was never Bartman's fault.
Umm, the only Bartman I am aware of is from the Simpsons. Does this refer to a player on the Cubs?
The ball did not appear catchable. And it wasn't Bartman who gave up the runs that cost the Cubs the game. I've always considered this a bum rap.
LOL anyone who says Bartman is a "loser" is out of their mind.
#1 Alou was very likely not going to catch that ball
#2 Everybody reached for it. It just happened to fall where Bartman was sitting
#3 Gonzalez could have made that irrelevant but botched a sure double play that ends the inning
#4 He could have gotten ridiculous money off of the situation and was even offere 7 figures to appear in a superbowl commercial and turned it down.
If Chicago tries to forgive them he should stick his middle finger to the city and the people in his section that night because they ruined his life over something that wasnt his fault.
#1 Alou was very likely not going to catch that ball
#2 Everybody reached for it. It just happened to fall where Bartman was sitting
#3 Gonzalez could have made that irrelevant but botched a sure double play that ends the inning
#4 He could have gotten ridiculous money off of the situation and was even offere 7 figures to appear in a superbowl commercial and turned it down.
If Chicago tries to forgive them he should stick his middle finger to the city and the people in his section that night because they ruined his life over something that wasnt his fault.
Not that it's right but he didn't do anything you don't see just about every game. He just did it in the worst possible situation.
It has been long enough. I don't blame the guy at all....a very natural reaction...but he doesn't need to be in the witness protection program anymore. It happened...people now 'forgive' him...I don't see why he can't come out into the open...at this point it is more on him than Cub fans.
It doesn't matter anyway. He has declined several attempts by the Cubs organization to "make good." He was just contacted again, today I believe, to be a part of the parade (to be held tomorrow) and has declined. Although, crazy as it sounds, he is still a fan and has reportedly attended games over the last dozen years.
I've seen the reply 100s of times, to me there's no doubt Alou catches the ball.
Whether or not the ball is catchable, Alou makes such crybaby drama over it, the poor Cubs fan gets crucified.
The Indians just became the Cubs and that will be the new MLB story and rumors of them being jinxed.
I'll call no WS wins since 1948 a jinx cause by Bill Veeek and some of the Cleveland players appearing in The Kid from Cleveland (movie) a little after they won the 1948 World Series.
If you think so, that considerably influences me -- especially because you played third, and so you know how easy or hard it is to catch the ball at Wrigley in that situation. Certainly Alou thought he had a shot at making the catch; that's why he was so upset at Bartman. All the same, Bartman did not lose the game for the Cubs; they did that on his own.
cubs fans forgive him?? It should be more like, will he forgive the cubs fans for the way they treated him? Loser, mob mentality where thousands of people came down on one guy for all of their own issues and demons. One of the most cowardly things that has ever happened in american sports. Crucify and ruin someone's life over a game. Sickening. Near sandusky level
Bartman should come out for the parade to people cheering for him.. and then flip the bird.
Bartman should come out for the parade to people cheering for him.. and then flip the bird.
Probably wont happen with the way the media treated the Indians as an afterthought during the WS. Only thing that was mentioned was that the Indians logo should be changed. Its a shame because this team is pretty damm good, esp with their younger players. But instead of the new Cubs, theyre going to be looked at as the Washington Redskins.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bartman+30+for+30&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safar
This covers it pretty good.Kid got a bad rap almost cost him his life.
This covers it pretty good.Kid got a bad rap almost cost him his life.
Fanatics are insane, Cub fans are probably individually sympathetic, collectively they wanted to hang him.
Fanaticism isn't going away any time soon
It must the way certain people are wired to fixate on something that happens well before the end of a contest as the thing that "cost" the game.
You can argue that Scott Norwood "cost" the Bills a Super Bowl, because at least that happened on the last play. Blaming Bartman for something that happened several hundred pitches before the end of the Series (or James Townsend for a dropped ball that happened about 40 plays before the end of the 2006 WVU game) has never made the least bit of sense to me.
You can argue that Scott Norwood "cost" the Bills a Super Bowl, because at least that happened on the last play. Blaming Bartman for something that happened several hundred pitches before the end of the Series (or James Townsend for a dropped ball that happened about 40 plays before the end of the 2006 WVU game) has never made the least bit of sense to me.
It really is this simple.
Wasn't game 7, wasn't the final out...we can go on and on. Stuff like this is why Chicago is always just the 2nd City.
Nothing at all wrong with him not wanting to be "forgiven." He received death threats and had to move to feel safe.
Guy just wants to live his life. Doesn't want the money, doesn't want the fame/notoriety, just wants to be left alone. People who find fault in that have issues. Its pretty admirable he has turned down a lot of money to publicize the event. Pretty much anyone would have tried to catch that ball. You have those seats, you are thinking about getting a foul ball. He was just really unlucky.
Guy just wants to live his life. Doesn't want the money, doesn't want the fame/notoriety, just wants to be left alone. People who find fault in that have issues. Its pretty admirable he has turned down a lot of money to publicize the event. Pretty much anyone would have tried to catch that ball. You have those seats, you are thinking about getting a foul ball. He was just really unlucky.
Hmmm, similar to Tom Young and Rutgers hoops appearing in Roman Holiday after the 1976 season?
And Chapman would be within his rights to also say eff off. It's not his fault his idiot manager had him pitching 1 1/3 innings the day before in a 7-1 game or whatever it was. The person that should have been strung up is Maddon - but luckily none of them have to worry about any of that now.
In the 30 for 30 on the Bills, they showed how the city really embraced Norwood after that miss, even chanting his name during their parade. Maybe their reaction would have been different if they had almost 100 years of futility in their past, but who knows?
