IMO, the mets won't spend the money to retain Cespedes. They're saving their pennies for when their starters get near free agency.
OT: Cespedes to opt-out of his Mets contract
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IMO, the mets won't spend the money to retain Cespedes. They're saving their pennies for when their starters get near free agency.
Let the Yankees have him,since I'm of the opinion there are a lot of holes in that lineup, and no way we can keep all those young pitchers if we put all our eggs in one basket. Find two bats either from their minors,which I believe they have,make a decision on Wright, get more out of the catcher position, and look for a mid season trade as teams fall out of races.
In the standings, that is true that the Yankees have little to nothing to do with the Mets outside of the 4-6 games they play against each other.
In the owner's bank account or ability to make more to spend more, the Yankees have a lot to do with the Mets. The Mets can capitalize financially due to a down Yankee team by being very successful. That is reality, whether sports fans want to acknowledge it or not.
my guess is:
Mets sign him to a 3 year deal with a 4th and 5th year as options. He has been much better than Jay Bruce and you don't want to lose him.
he wanted a 5 year deal last year and signed a deal with an option.
He is 31 so is still in his prime for production the next 3-5 years.
He will probably get a guaranteed $75 mil over 3 years with the 4th year vesting if he reaches a certain number of games played or at bats (ie. 360 games played over 3 years or 1500 plate appearances over 3 years). When he reaches those marks the 4th year will be guaranteed at $25 mil. If he doesn't reach there will be a mutual option. The 5th year will have similar language for automatic and mutual options as the 4th (ie. 480 games played or 2000 plate appearances).
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/01/options-in-mlb-contracts-primary-option-types.html
Mets sign him to a 3 year deal with a 4th and 5th year as options. He has been much better than Jay Bruce and you don't want to lose him.
he wanted a 5 year deal last year and signed a deal with an option.
He is 31 so is still in his prime for production the next 3-5 years.
He will probably get a guaranteed $75 mil over 3 years with the 4th year vesting if he reaches a certain number of games played or at bats (ie. 360 games played over 3 years or 1500 plate appearances over 3 years). When he reaches those marks the 4th year will be guaranteed at $25 mil. If he doesn't reach there will be a mutual option. The 5th year will have similar language for automatic and mutual options as the 4th (ie. 480 games played or 2000 plate appearances).
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/01/options-in-mlb-contracts-primary-option-types.html
I doubt it. The Wilpons turn a humongous profit no matter what the Yankees do, if the Mets are successful. The Mets have a HUGE fan base. If they win they come to the stadium and spend $$ and tune in on TV. Its that simple. Doesn't take graduating from Rutgers Business School to understand this.
The Yankees have no bearing on the Mets' profit lines. This is reality, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Don't think so. They had him once, so they know all about his downside.
And after the Sandoval disaster they probably are much more careful with their signings.
The Red Sox already had him, remember ? They couldn't wait to get rid of him. Said he was uncoachable. No way they go near the guy.
There are very few players that hit well in Flushing. (Look at Daniel Murphy's numbers this past year and the year before.) He is one of them. Sign him by all means!
EDIT: Don't just sign him, but go all in this year by going after big bats while the pitchers like Syndergaard and Degrom are still cheap. Increase your chances of winning a World Series. Then, have a fire sale at the end of the year. I want a World Series in the worst way!
EDIT: Don't just sign him, but go all in this year by going after big bats while the pitchers like Syndergaard and Degrom are still cheap. Increase your chances of winning a World Series. Then, have a fire sale at the end of the year. I want a World Series in the worst way!
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Nonsense. If the Mets win while the Yankees are losing, the Mets can pick up the casual fan much easier. Less competition for entertainment dollars.
The purpose of this thread was to discuss Cespedes. My point was that they should keep him, because they are better with him and its better for their bottom line.
Add into the fact that their window is now and the Yankees are in a rebuild, ownership can make even more money.
Doesn't take graduating from even high school to figure that out.
EXACTLY! 1986 was a long time ago... I am actually getting sick of all the replays of the 1986 world series on their facebook page. They don't need to be a dynasty. They just need to win one (for now)!
I'm still fascinated by the point of view that "you have to sign him become the Mets win when he plays".
I have a hard time believing that you can't get 30 home runs into the lineup for less than $28 million a year.
I have a hard time believing that you can't get 30 home runs into the lineup for less than $28 million a year.
You mean while they are still underpaid, right ?
The Cubs surprised me by opening up their checkbook when they had already gotten pretty good and went for it all. They now have one of the largest payrolls in MLB. Can't see the mets doing that. It's only been thirty years....maybe in another seventy.
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So I'm assuming you didn't graduate from high school since you can't understand this lmao.
YES Cespedes increases their bottom line. No, the Yankees being in a rebuilding phase doesn't mean a single. damn. thing. to increasing or decreasing the Mets' overall profit margins.
Like when the Yankees from 96-2003 seemingly had God playing on their team and winning all the friggin time, yet the Mets were among the league leaders in profitability, especially from 98-01 when Piazza was there and they had a a good team. Oh right, because they had a good competitive team. The Yankees winning had not a single (see: zero) thing to do with the Mets being profitable. No team is stealing fans ($) from the other just cause one is in a down period. Do ya get it yet?
Obviously Cespedes can be replaced. The question is then, with whom? Is it worth it for the Mets to spend oodles of money on someone other than him, to find out if they can perform like him in this city? Jay Bruce and lots of other players are the proof in the pudding- it ain't easy to perform here. Not everyone can just do it, for whatever reason (pressure of merely playing in NY, media pressure, pressure from large contract etc.)
Cespedes has proven that he can do it. It is proven they do a lot more winning with him than without him. It's a no brainer , you start with 4 years $100 mill and go from there. They must bring this guy back. Window to win with young controllable (& hopefully healthy) pitching is now. This is the time they should be spending
Are you being obtuse purposely because you don't want to admit you are wrong?
The Yankees don't get 3 million plus fans every year because only Yankee fans show up. There are tons of casual sports fans with discretionary dollars that are up for grabs.
If the Mets are outplaying the Yankees, then the casual sports fan is more likely to trek to CitiField to watch a game, especially with an everyday player that draws interest like Cespedes in the lineup.
I'm not banging my head off the desk anymore because of you. I vow to not read your posts. I just posted empirical evidence (although off hand, it is most definitely factual) to support my opinion and I don't necessarily disagree with everything you are saying , but according to you the Mets' profits are squarely dependent on the Yankees' success/failure and that's what's making my head hurt. I call BS [poop]
Have a great weekend everyone! :scream::alien::cheers2::cool2:[banana]:popcorn:[cheers]
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Blowing it way out of proportion. Perhaps I should not have been so obtuse...but the fact is winning cures all. If the Mets win they will make a crap ton of $$ regardless of what the cross town team is doing. You could've acknowledged some of my factual points...
And with that, I'll say I agree with you. Whereas winning = $, Cespedes = winning. The Wilpons would be making a mostly wise investment even if he costs 5 years $125 mill. Like I said I believe their best opportunity to win is now with obviously a bit more uncertainty in the future, though I do like where the franchise is headed with many young prospects with potential + owners slowly but surely distancing themselves from a money scandal.
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I hate to be a dick here, but it is obvious that you did not follow the Mets closely the past two seasons. Anyone who has, wants him back, badly. I know that you may see him catch a fly ball underhand on Sportscenter every now and then, but he is an undeniable presence in that lineup and undoubtedly makes the Mets better. Having watched roughly 150 out of the 162, it is a complete no-brainer to want him back. To just post his batting average and write him off is nonsense. And the comparisons to Puig are laughable. And yes, I wholeheartedly agree with the logic that when he plays, the Mets win and that is why I want him back.
Actually, I watched pretty much every game the last two seasons. So... the rest of what you said? Pointless.
I believe you're seriously selling Cespedes short. I mean how could you seemingly be so against re-signing him if you watched every game the past 2 seasons?? You reference him "only" hitting 30 HRs, as if that's something to scoff at lol, but fail to acknowledge he played hurt the entire second half of the season.
Which obviously affected his performance. And playing injured, he was still wayyyy above average. Guy should've hit 40 if he didn't have a bum quad. You sure you watched every game the last 2 seasons man..? Ces is an absolute must sign.
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Lmao are you not a Mets fan? Are you not aware of how hard it is for this franchise to win? I say this tongue in cheek. I know you are a Mets fan and I know you know how hard it is for them to win. What I don't understand is that you don't see how Cespedes has flourished on the Mets- he has put up his 2 most valuable seasons since he's been here. A player like that to me, on this team is a superstar.
With baseballs crazy market value and the cash thrown around in this sport like it's friggin nothing.... A. It's not my loot, so F $28 mill sure why not? B. You got a guy like that on this mostly unlucky/crappy/cursed Mets franchise, you lock him up for almost whatever the hell he wants and pray he stays heathy.
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