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OT: Daily Covid thread 9/23

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Have said a dozen times, obesity might give a 2X factor in deaths, which is far less important than avoiding cases, via interventions, which is what gives 20-100X factors in avoiding deaths (of those countries vs. the US and other high death rate countries, like Sweden, Italy, Brazil, etc.). That's why the countries with very low death rates got there - mostly by avoiding cases, not obesity..
And it has been stated more than a dozen times that there are other factors unique to the US and our culture that fosters more contact and less compliance with mandates and resistance to infringement on personal freedoms that make interventions difficult. It's complicated. And the post to which you reply said nothing to the contrary. But let's be real. Factor out the obesity issue, the piss poor response by Cuomo and DeBlasio while Washington and California shut down sooner and the horrific handling of long term care and nursing homes by Murphy, Cuomo and a couple of other states, and the death rate some people like to tout as being all on one person's head is not on one person's head.
 
And it has been stated more than a dozen times that there are other factors unique to the US and our culture that fosters more contact and less compliance with mandates and resistance to infringement on personal freedoms that make interventions difficult. It's complicated. And the post to which you reply said nothing to the contrary. But let's be real. Factor out the obesity issue, the piss poor response by Cuomo and DeBlasio while Washington and California shut down sooner and the horrific handling of long term care and nursing homes by Murphy, Cuomo and a couple of other states, and the death rate some people like to tout as being all on one person's head is not on one person's head.

That's convenient. Too bad we couldn't just factor those away ahead of time and save a couple hundred thousand deaths!
 
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And it has been stated more than a dozen times that there are other factors unique to the US and our culture that fosters more contact and less compliance with mandates and resistance to infringement on personal freedoms that make interventions difficult. It's complicated. And the post to which you reply said nothing to the contrary. But let's be real. Factor out the obesity issue, the piss poor response by Cuomo and DeBlasio while Washington and California shut down sooner and the horrific handling of long term care and nursing homes by Murphy, Cuomo and a couple of other states, and the death rate some people like to tout as being all on one person's head is not on one person's head.
/\ /\ /\ Well said !
 
The murph. has one hell of a lot of blood on his hands. Over 7,000 deaths are because of his crappy job !
Agree at 1824 deaths per million. NJ has the worst death rate in the country. His nursing home strategy was a death sentence. I can’t imagine that there won’t be lawsuits. If NJ was a country it would have by far the worse death rate per million population in the world.
 
Should be interesting what this country does with this antiviral. Just saw that Russia recently approved it and it’s already approved in India. The HCQ bros should investigate this. It’s not a magical drug, but at least it performed well in a RCT.

 
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Agree at 1824 deaths per million. NJ has the worst death rate in the country. His nursing home strategy was a death sentence. I can’t imagine that there won’t be lawsuits. If NJ was a country it would have by far the worse death rate per million population in the world.
Nailed it!
 
Australia looking to pass a new bill that deems anyone COVID-positive or anyone who has come into contact with someone who is COVID-positive a threat to national security and can be detained indefinitely under armed guard.


Apparently BoJo thinks this is the model approach the UK should follow as well smdh
 
Australia looking to pass a new bill that deems anyone COVID-positive or anyone who has come into contact with someone who is COVID-positive a threat to national security and can be detained indefinitely under armed guard.


Apparently BoJo thinks this is the model approach the UK should follow as well smdh

They are INSANE
 
Australia looking to pass a new bill that deems anyone COVID-positive or anyone who has come into contact with someone who is COVID-positive a threat to national security and can be detained indefinitely under armed guard.


Apparently BoJo thinks this is the model approach the UK should follow as well smdh
Wow, that is akin to a police state:

As authorised officers, police are able to arrest or fine people for acting against the chief health officer directions, such as attending public protests, breaking curfew or not wearing a face covering. They can now search homes and cars without warrants, and have a greatly expanded ability to compel members of the public to give their name and address – usually only required if you are driving a vehicle or suspected of committing a crime.
 
Australia looking to pass a new bill that deems anyone COVID-positive or anyone who has come into contact with someone who is COVID-positive a threat to national security and can be detained indefinitely under armed guard.


Apparently BoJo thinks this is the model approach the UK should follow as well smdh
Insanity
 
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Please, the US is so unique that we couldn't have done a lot better if we had had the kind of testing capability that many other countries did in mid/late Feb, found out how bad the outbreak was then and shut down in early March, avoiding 75-90% of our cases and deaths, as numerous papers have shown (which I've linked before multiple times)? That's where we fundamentally disagree and if we had that in place, there wouldn't have ever been much of a LTC care issue because the number of cases simply would have been far less. I've agreed that our local leaders didn't shine early on (but they also were given shitty guidance from the feds as we know), but we would've likely had the same case numbers we had by about 3/16, when the NY/NJ started shutting things down (schools and bars/restaurants closed then) on 3/2, two weeks earlier.

I do agree our intransigence and divisiions, now, make it far more likely to botch interventions, but if we had any leadership from the top, don't you think we could've done better? If Trump came out for universal masking early on, the skeptics on the right maybe would've followed his lead and I know most of the folks on the left would've still agreed on masks, since the science is simply clear and obvious. He could've been a hero and had a far easier path to re-election if he had just been serious about the risks and gotten testing sorted out and led on masks.
Reported! Political!
 
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