Washington Post takes note--that's good--
No, both the J &J and Astra Zeneca are something called viral vector. They use a harmless virus to deliver the instructions for making the spike protein, which then generates the immune response, as opposed to Pfizer and Moderna which use mRNA to deliver those instructions.
you seem to draw no distinction between some pejorative "anti-vaxxer", which sure sounds like you think people are unthinking or some type of "anti-science" - and people who simply have reasonable concerns and questions which really haven't been addressed or answered.
That's because I'm guessing you all are in your 40s and not in the early groups of 1a b or c. So waiting for a few months was always part of equation.
If you're talking about Rutgers, they get around that by continuing virtual classes for those who don't want the vaccine.
Yep, so far it's 6 out of 7 million people, i.e., about 1 in 1MM who have experienced vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT). Yes, a pause was warranted, as potentially serious adverse events - even rare ones that would never be detected in clinical trials with 20-40K patients - need to be investigated and the outcomes (and possibly any revised guidances) clearly communicated, as that's what the whole VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting system) system is about. This kind of thing cannot just be swept under the rug if we want people to have confidence in our regulatory system for drugs and vaccines.
Not yet - that's why they're recommending a pause in use of the J&J vaccine while the extremely rare side effect is investigated. Even if a link is established, as I just posted, my guess is we'd continue with using the J&J vaccine, but with a clear label highlighting the risk for those at risk (and what patients/doctors should look out for). A side effect in 1 in 1MM people simply can't be detected by even large mega clinical trials like we had for the vaccines with 20-40K people. It's why there is the post approval monitoring system, so the "system" worked. Now it's up to the FDA to decide what to do about it, if anything more than simply communicating the risk.
We'll, the vaccine is made by J&J and Jansen so it should be J,J&J.
Ah man, now you've ruined my whole TLA (3LA?) riff entirely. That'd be, like, a 4LAWP (with punctuation). 😉
everyone was "concerned" about the vaccines--read my post, "anti-vaxxers are in a class of their own--they don't want or believe in vaccines --now there are really dopey people who think the current covid vaccines are some kind of conspiracy or uneccessary--either way they don't help to stem the pandemic, to the contrary they help keep it going ---therefore let them stay in their basements and not come near reasonable humans
Ok but why not age adjust for the vaccine too? Surely most of the doses have gone to older people and the one death was in the younger age bracket. Additionally we can adjust CFR to IFR and the numbers will bend more in my favor.
Not really "traditional tech." This ain't software or hardware!
I had posted this before, but this is one of the best descriptions I have read:
The genetic material in the mRNA vaccines is RNA, whereas the genetic material in the J&J vaccine is DNA, but both encode the information to make the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2.
“Inside the adenovirus is the DNA that your body will use to make into RNA and then into the spike protein of the coronavirus,” said Gandhi. She noted that the DNA and RNA then quickly degrade in the human body and do not have the ability to affect our chromosomes.
Once your cells make the spike protein, all three vaccines work similarly. “The spike protein doesn’t look like anything in our human body,” said Gandhi. “So, you raise an immune response with T cells and antibodies to that spike protein, and that allows you to fight the virus if you ever see it in the future.”
This type of adenovirus technology has been used in an Ebola vaccine but is still relatively new. “It’s more familiar than mRNA technology, but I wouldn’t say it is the most familiar technology either,” said Gandhi.
How Effective Is the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine? Here’s What You Should Know
We asked UCSF infectious disease expert Monica Gandhi, MD, MPH, to unpack some of the big questions around vaccine science, such as how the Johnson & Johnson vaccine differs, how well it works against the new variants, and whether you should be worried about transmitting the virus after vaccination.www.ucsf.edu
I’ve gotten many vaccines just won’t get this one, at least not anytime soon. Maybe “anti COVID vaxxer” is a better description
Does anyone see the same "Similar Threads" promoted by this board at the bottom of the thread.? Two threads make sense, but the other three are in outer space.
in a nation of 350,000,000 people, .1% of the population doing any one thing can seem annoying... but, is it really a big deal? (and, sure, I'm just randomly pulling .1% as an example).
If that is the angle you are looking for, then you probably want the Novavax vaccine when it is approved soon.
You throw a lot of insults around for someone who isn’t informed enough to know that by now the evidence has shown that states that locked down did no better, and in some cases worse, than states that didn’t.
You insulted people who complained about the lockdowns. Evidence has shown that they were right because one size fits all lockdown policies have proven to be ineffective.
Aren't those three different things?
No, I didn't. I did call out the ones who also refuse to vax, tho. Thats the way you get what you want, not by complaining on an RU message board. Otherwise, put the mask back on and take your chances with the gov.
No, J&J and AZ are not dead/weakened COVID viruses, they're inactive adenoviruses carrying the DNA, which our cells use to make the CV spike protein antigen to stimulate the body's immune response to that antigen, so that if the "real" CV infects the host, the body is prepared with antibodies and T/B cells to fight the virus. The mRNA vaccines short circuit this loop by delivering the actual mRNA to trigger production of the virus's spike protein.
Posted this already on current events..the J&J vax is way less effective than the other 2..people should be choosy
Does anyone see the same "Similar Threads" promoted by this board at the bottom of the thread.? Two threads make sense, but the other three are in outer space.
That's because there simply aren't any anti-vaxx "stones to throw." The risk/benefit calcuations for getting vaccinated (see my other reply from a few minutes ago) are beyond overwhelming for the vaccine. Knowing that and knowing that the only way that this pandemic becomes prolonged is if not enough people get vaccinated, leading potentially to vaccine-eluding variants, the people on the side of science and ending the pandemic have every reason to "strongly encourage" all the anti-vaccine folks to get vaccinated for the good of society.
I took a vacation from these boards for a while because of the insults, so perhaps I missed a lot. I don't understand vitriol on either side. That said, however, in my personal observation and experience, the virtue signalers seem to be more vocal and critical of those who don't want to get the vaccine (or who are waiting). It's their choice.
