Per Jerry Carino (linked below).
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2018/05/22/seton-hall-fred-hill-duane-woodward/628643002/
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2018/05/22/seton-hall-fred-hill-duane-woodward/628643002/
OT: Fred Hill stepping down as Hall Assistant
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I wonder if there is any correlation between the decline in Freddie's recruiting prowess and the facial hair/hair styling combination that he was sporting at SHU this time around. A little bit of a scary look. Seriously, could this be the end of the road? Perhaps ready to retire to the Jersey Shore.
We fired Waters in a classless way for him. :flushed:
Why is he retiring? Is he taking the fall for the Hall’s recruiting scandal? Seems weird no one is reporting on why his is just completely leaving basketball.
"His hair looks bad" what hair? You do know that bald is not a choice, right? And to me, the beard looks good on him.
Jon Rothstein tweeted it as a “retirement” but Carino didn’t characterize it that way. He just said he was stepping down.
He's stepping down because recruiting is a younger man's game and for those with relevant contacts in the AAU circuit.
Might be Willard planned to move him from top recruiter and move him down to # 3 assistant.
Freddie seeing he was going to be low man on totem pole felt it would be better to move on and see what type of offers would come his way. That's if he's not retiring or a lack of decent offers would make him retire.
At 59 I think Hill will stay in the game somehow because, even if RU Fans don't like him, Fred Jr is respected by the College basketball community and I'm sure there will be a program ( or 2) that goes after him.
Freddie seeing he was going to be low man on totem pole felt it would be better to move on and see what type of offers would come his way. That's if he's not retiring or a lack of decent offers would make him retire.
At 59 I think Hill will stay in the game somehow because, even if RU Fans don't like him, Fred Jr is respected by the College basketball community and I'm sure there will be a program ( or 2) that goes after him.
ah, I'm sure this will go to the one who can bring in the best player...like Tiny, Antigua, etc...just recently Skinn. Willard going back to his bag of tricks since seniors left. Nice.
if he can't recruit then he brings nothing to the table
if he can't recruit then he brings nothing to the table
If there is a Jay Wright coaching tree, perhaps one of Wright’s assistants who left for a head coach position will hire Hill. After all, Tom Abatemarco is still assisting at FGCU, serving as a mentor for Joe Dooley’s young successor.
https://www.naplesnews.com/story/sp...-fly-taking-time-picking-his-staff/523436002/
I wonder if we will let an assistant go and hire him to prevent someone else from getting him?
Word is Duane Woodward from Monmouth could replace him-----very good connections in NYC
Would be a big step up from Fred Hill.
Would be a big step up from Fred Hill.
Michael Fly and Abatemarco seemed really tight when I was at the FGCU Team Camp last summer. Good guys, both of them.
I think Fly is going to do very well. He has wanted the FGCU job for years. Turned down an assistant job offer at Oklahoma State this time last year.
HS Coaches in Florida love him.
If that happens it would probably be Seton Hall's best coaching staff in some time.
Wait Woodward... did he ball at BC? If so, he was a real punk back in the day. Not well liked by other players. Dirty baller. From Queens I think?
If so, he'll fit in perfectly, coaching filthy stinky dirty hall ball at Toilet Seat & Stall University.
If so, he'll fit in perfectly, coaching filthy stinky dirty hall ball at Toilet Seat & Stall University.
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He would be a good assistant coach for them.
If he's the hire, that would be a nice revamp of their staff.
Kevin Willard is not a great Xs & Os coach, nor does he strike me as the type who is a superstar recruiter dynamo.
I will say that he's good at doing what needs to be done to get assistants in there who can get him the players. That's probably enough to keep him employed at Seton Hall for a very long time. As a Rutgers fan, I'd like their level of success right now, but at the same time I would feel the same way they do towards him as a coach. Largely ambivalent, wary about his ability to push the team to higher levels, but also knowing that it's going to be hard to do that much better in terms of a coaching hire.
Kind of like how a lot of us felt about Schiano towards the end.
If he's the hire, that would be a nice revamp of their staff.
Kevin Willard is not a great Xs & Os coach, nor does he strike me as the type who is a superstar recruiter dynamo.
I will say that he's good at doing what needs to be done to get assistants in there who can get him the players. That's probably enough to keep him employed at Seton Hall for a very long time. As a Rutgers fan, I'd like their level of success right now, but at the same time I would feel the same way they do towards him as a coach. Largely ambivalent, wary about his ability to push the team to higher levels, but also knowing that it's going to be hard to do that much better in terms of a coaching hire.
Kind of like how a lot of us felt about Schiano towards the end.
Can you imagine if Pikiell led Rutgers to the NCAA tournament and then at some point late in the season pundits were projecting RU as a 1 or 2 seed in the tournament. Next Pikiell would help get the RAC expanded to 12,000 capacity. He'd follow that with 4 or 5 up and down seasons where we'd make the NCAA tournament ONLY once.
The sad thing would you'd have half of the fanbase wanting him to go.
Bottom line i didn't feel that way about Schiano.
Most of the fans on the SHU Rivals Board think very highly of KW as a coach. The ones who don't are the vocal minority who would likely complain about a final 4 NCAA appearance. The vast majority of the posters believe that KW is putting together a staff that will lead to much better recruiting results.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the post just pointing out the irony that it was made by "DirtyRU"
Hahahaha! Well-played Russ. Good point. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
shoe and Willard have always had a "FOR SALE" sign for the assistant jobs...the turnover doesn't look coincidential...of course, it's not like Carino will ever disclose if FHJ was pushed out...
they behave as Ville without the results...
they behave as Ville without the results...
Just speculating. But at age 59, he's probably earned and saved more than most have at his age. And as others have pointed out, recruiting teenagers is a younger man's game if you're not the head coach. So I don't see any reason to suspect anything more than a mutual agreement that he should retire and do something else with his life.
Holloway was there for a very long time no ?
Hill was there for 3-4 years ?
Tiny left----saw it wasn't for him------BFD
Sorry but I don't see mass exodus on a consistent basis and to me a change or two on the staff is healthy-----ask Beilein.
You would crawl over 100 yards of broken glass for their results.
Actually being honest, my buddy is a coach of a kid Hall is going after and tells me all the illegal things that Fred Hill does while he was recruiting.
No I wouldn't honestly. They have had better results relative to us, but that is a long line so BFD. They are still a bottom feeder, and had to get creative with Tiny and Antigua to get players. They didn't get those jobs based on merit certainly. It's not like they were pouched by better teams. Some turnover is fine, but they only got those jobs for specific players--hence, the FOR SALE sign. Now those players are gone, and coaches are well. No mention why FHJ why left. Shaheen left for a HC job so I'm not counting him, it's was about the others.
The rat can’t break through the 2% barrier. More than 10k posts and all of 190 likes. Telling even among his brethren.
Yes illegal, I don’t mean in terms of offering cash, but there’s rules he breaks while recruiting that he should be following like the rest of the coaches.
I think there plenty recruiters in college programs that push the line and maybe go over it.
Can't say Freddie isn't one of them, but until know what rules he broke won't agree that he's crooked, just will agree he can't be considered HC material .
( disclaimer)
When Fred Jr. was RU's HC I supported him past the time wise-heads knew he was a failure as a HC.
Gotcha. Hey they used to say Mike Rice cheated. Not sure any of that is true but I wouldn’t stake my life on it either.
