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OT: Game of Thrones - Final Season Thread (spoilers)

The people neither wanted her nor was she the rightful heir. That's what drove her nuts.

The people loved Jon
Agreed. Many on the council would argue for Jon and a few might argue against (since hes a Targ). That was the point of the previous poster. Having Worm make the call, only for him to sail off the next day is a hole.
 
The people neither wanted her nor was she the rightful heir. That's what drove her nuts.

The people loved Jon

Exactly. She was raised hearing "Westeros belongs to the Targs. They have secret meetings and toast your family. They make secret banners and are waiting for your return."

I think this scene would have been a great addition:

The bells ring.

Dany lands in Kings Landing on Drogon and all the people run in fear or cower or jeer her.

Dany realizes the people dont want/love her and see her as just another tyrant.
Her entire upbringing was a lie - she isn't loved here.
Cersei has actually prevailed - isn't murdered, didnt surrender, has turned KL common people against Dany.
2 dragons killed, Missy killed, Jorah killed.

Westeros isn't her "home" as she thought her entire life.

Dany breaks and burns the city.
 
I couldn't help but think of this scene when Daenery's was giving her victory speech to the troops.


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You're reading too much into it, probably.

If it were a real world, the North's independence would have been a non-starter for simple economic reasons. It's winter. The North has no exports and a potential lack of food. Absent favorable trade with more successful agricultural regions, they would all starve.

The north has an ocean on each side and is not too wide ... I’m thinking plenty of fish, with or without chips!
 
So I take it you weren’t upset about the white horse have no meaning and the plastic bottle of water that was under the chair during the big meet up.
I missed the bottle.. as for the white horse... not at all surprised.. that's why I said these writers suck. In an 80 minute episode that was as weak as it was.. they had room to address things like that.. or in the last episode.. not make some big deal out of a white horse showing up.

Or maybe they had Bran controlling the white horse and bran controlling even Drogon to burn the throne rather than Jon.. but never showed us.. that would have explained the importance of both of those. But then at the end he could have said "I know where he went". And that would have been enough to end the conversation... he being the King and all.. instead of Bron cutting off talk of which way he went. But.. "I'll see if I can find him"... weak.
 
Didn't they have a village on the sea that the dead attacked?
That was Hardhome.. a Free Folk town beyond the wall.. but I suppose, with the wall down there at Eastwatch.... anyway.. for the north their big port is White Harbor... and most populated locations have access to the sea.. The iron born attacked far inland via rivers to Deepwood Motte for example. So.. access to fish is a given. Oddly, Winterfell seems to be one location with a bit of a walk to a river that comes out at White Harbor.
 
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I couldn't help but think of this scene when Daenery's was giving her victory speech to the troops.


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I thought this same exact thing. The crazy thing to me is that it seems like the Unsullied and Dothraki were reproducing in record time - most impressive for the Unsullied considering their status. You have to think thousands of Unsullied died at Winterfell, and heck I would have though almost every Dothraki went out with their flaming swords at Winterfell and were all extinguished. Next thing you know the plaza is completely full at the victory parade in King's Landing.

I was half expecting Darth Vader or the Emperor to make an appearance next to Danerys.
 
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Didn't someone ask what happened to the Dothraki earlier? In the scene where Jon is being escorted out of Dodge there are warriors strolling around the town. Are they being gentrified? Buy burnt up homes, fix em up, and flip em?

New HBO series...."Dothraki Flippers: Buy or Die".
 
If you looked at the details in the episode, north of the wall we started seeing some plant and greenery.

Basically north of the wall Jon would be able to establish his own independent kingdom....
I think there may be stories coming like the Hedge Night and Dunk and Egg stuff with Arya's and Jon's further adventures.. not together I don't think, separate stories.
 
I really wanted him to get specific and see how he was going to spin his “accomplishments”:

Defeated a windmill from the Mountain.

As you said, facilitated the peaceful transition of River Run to the Frays/Lannisters with zero loss of life to his people.

Successfully married into a historical Westeros family.
Thought Sansa was foolish to cut off a possible vote for her like that. But points to Edmure for at least trying.. everyone else just sitting around.

There are so many things that needed to be settled.. balance of power stuff.. like who gets The Twins (where Red Wedding happened).. a critical location.. Edmure could say its his by marriage.. along with the Riverlands by birthright.. that makes him very powerful and a threat to Sansa.. making her remark all the more foolish.

This final epsiode settled so little really. I think a "wheel is unbroken and unbreakable" final would have been better.. more chaos. same as always.. that is a more fitting ending than this muck..
 
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Aryas white horse did have meaning, representing her new journey into unknown lands. She'll need a good horse, unless she sails off the flat edge of the planet like Columbus.
 
Thought Sansa was foolish to cut off a possible vote for her like that. But points to Edmure for at least trying.. everyone else just sitting around.

There are so many things that needed to be settled.. balance of power stuff.. like who gets The Twins (where Red Wedding happened).. a critical location.. Edmure could say its his by marriage.. along with the Riverlands by birthright.. that makes him very powerful and a threat to Sansa.. making her remark all the more foolish.

This final epsiode settled so little really. I think a "wheel is unbroken and unbreakable" final would have been better.. more chaos. same as always.. that is a more fitting ending than this muck..
Good points. Can be covered in the spin-off.
 
I couldn't help but think of this scene when Daenery's was giving her victory speech to the troops.


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Dany seemed to have an awful lot of troops given that her whole force was at Winterfell and that episode made it seem like they were nearly completely destroyed but for Arya killing the Night King. They made no effort to show Dothraki fleeing.. yet the writer guys said half her Dothraki survived...

Good TV and movies SHOW the viewers stuff.. bad TV and movies EXPLAIN things in dialog that could better be shown... and the WORST explain things in interviews after the show or movie is shown publicly.

Dany bought 8,000 unsullied.. it looked like maybe she had 4,000 left for that scene... still seems like too many. Like they all got the order to retreat in perfect time to avoid getting toasted by Drogon and somehow the Army of the Dead didn't kill as many as it seemed to.
 
Didn't someone ask what happened to the Dothraki earlier? In the scene where Jon is being escorted out of Dodge there are warriors strolling around the town. Are they being gentrified? Buy burnt up homes, fix em up, and flip em?

New HBO series...."Dothraki Flippers: Buy or Die".
Bron won't allow gentrification. He wants those brothels. Maybe Robin of the Vale can manage them.
 
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Dany seemed to have an awful lot of troops given that her whole force was at Winterfell and that episode made it seem like they were nearly completely destroyed but for Arya killing the Night King. They made no effort to show Dothraki fleeing.. yet the writer guys said half her Dothraki survived...

Good TV and movies SHOW the viewers stuff.. bad TV and movies EXPLAIN things in dialog that could better be shown... and the WORST explain things in interviews after the show or movie is shown publicly.

Dany bought 8,000 unsullied.. it looked like maybe she had 4,000 left for that scene... still seems like too many. Like they all got the order to retreat in perfect time to avoid getting toasted by Drogon and somehow the Army of the Dead didn't kill as many as it seemed to.

Yeah and don't forget the Stormtroopers in the above pic were actually clones - so you could reproduce them at massive scale and if a bunch died you just had the next set of clones to take their place. I don't recall seeing any Dothraki or Unsullied cloning facilities mentioned anywhere in the show. Maybe Qyburn had a facility somewhere, but he was on Cersei's side so that wouldn't have worked :)
 
Bran let it be known that he knows what will happen.. all the time.. so why doesn't he just arrive at a small council meeting and say.. "this is what we all decided today"
He's like a god. He let's it play out and allows some free will.
 
Didn’t he say this why I am here?
yes.. he knew he'd be selected.. that's why he made the trip. That's why he named Tyrion Hand.. because in the future he saw Tyrion was his Hand. etc.. It may go as far back as when he first met Sam.. where Sam tells him he is headed to Castle Black and Jon is there and he should come.. but Bran says he has to go north. But that would negate some of his surprise at things the old Three-Eyed Rave/Greenseer showed him.

In this episode Jon is sorry he wasn't there to help Bran.. and Bran says you were in exactly the right place. I'm not sure to what WHEN Jon was referring.. in helping Bran. To get elected? To not fall from the tower? To not lose Winterfell to Theon? To not have to run from Theon? On his trip north? On his escape up north (Hodor)? To not make it to the Weirwood tree to kill the Night King? (that's probably it)

And what about all-knowing Bran needing Sam to figure out that Jon was not a bastard? Tyrion blew right over that, giving Bran all the credit.
 
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Dany really deserves to be on the throne.

She raised the dragons, built the army, and saved the North’s asses multiple times. She lost everyone close to her along the way and nearly lost because of everyone telling her to show mercy.

She doesn’t show mercy once and gets killed for it by her lover/nephew (which didn’t make sense at all)
 
Dany really deserves to be on the throne.

She raised the dragons, built the army, and saved the North’s asses multiple times. She lost everyone close to her along the way and nearly lost because of everyone telling her to show mercy.

She doesn’t show mercy once and gets killed for it by her lover/nephew (which didn’t make sense at all)

I think the point is nobody “deserves” it anymore.
That was her downfall.

She justified her actions by saying “the throne is my destiny. Since it belongs to me, anything I do to get it is the right action.
Why doesn’t everyone understand that?”


“Only I know what is good. Everyone else is wrong.”
 
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- Chris Ryan from Ringer.com

Not really sure who should be more upset over this.
 
Dany raised the dragons while the Starks were raisin’ Bran. Made a good serial.
 
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Dany really deserves to be on the throne.

She raised the dragons, built the army, and saved the North’s asses multiple times. She lost everyone close to her along the way and nearly lost because of everyone telling her to show mercy.

She doesn’t show mercy once and gets killed for it by her lover/nephew (which didn’t make sense at all)

She only did those things to obtain the throne. Her motivation was self-righteousness and entitlement.
 
Dany's solitary mission was to free slaves at all costs. The whole "election" thing was Tyrion's vision of "breaking the wheel", Dany never cared about that or bought into that idea. This is a fandom misconception. Her idea of "breaking the wheel" is that a rightous ruler must rise and free slaves, even with an iron fist.

 
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I’m betting the same posters who hated this season and/or ending felt the same way about The Sopranos and others as well. #predictable
 
You're reading too much into it, probably.

If it were a real world, the North's independence would have been a non-starter for simple economic reasons. It's winter. The North has no exports and a potential lack of food. Absent favorable trade with more successful agricultural regions, they would all starve.

But isn’t “winter” over? Hence them showing signs of green life when Jon led them from the wall? Granted it would take some time but just thinking out loud!
 
Dany really deserves to be on the throne.

She raised the dragons, built the army, and saved the North’s asses multiple times. She lost everyone close to her along the way and nearly lost because of everyone telling her to show mercy.

She doesn’t show mercy once and gets killed for it by her lover/nephew (which didn’t make sense at all)
He was going to follow her, she died because Jon knew people would no longer have free will and she would become a tyrant.
Daenery's , "It's not easy to see something that's never been before. A good world"
Jon asks, "what about the other people who believe they know what's good".
Daenery's responds, "they don't get to choose".

That's the moment he knew he had no choice and could no longer accept her actions, that the burning of the city was just the beginning of a reign of terror.
 
Bran let it be known that he knows what will happen.. all the time.. so why doesn't he just arrive at a small council meeting and say.. "this is what we all decided today"
This is not true. I think the clearest indication that he cant see the future is that before the battle with the dead someone asks can dragonfire even kill the night king and bran said “i dont know, no ones ever tried” but then literally the next day dany tries and fails.

He can’t precisely see the future. He just has a better vantage point (like a raven) so he can warn people of impending doom and can just see how things are gonna develop from a macro lens.
 
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He was going to follow her, she died because Jon knew people would no longer have free will and she would become a tyrant.
Daenery's , "It's not easy to see something that's never been before. A good world"
Jon asks, "what about the other people who believe they know what's good".
Daenery's responds, "they don't get to choose".

That's the moment he knew he had no choice and could no longer accept her actions, that the burning of the city was just the beginning of a reign of terror.

Yeah....I just don’t buy it. All just happened too quick and I didn’t buy it.
 
He was going to follow her, she died because Jon knew people would no longer have free will and she would become a tyrant.
Daenery's , "It's not easy to see something that's never been before. A good world"
Jon asks, "what about the other people who believe they know what's good".
Daenery's responds, "they don't get to choose".

That's the moment he knew he had no choice and could no longer accept her actions, that the burning of the city was just the beginning of a reign of terror.

Jon wasn’t going to kill her until Tyrion convinced him. Later her asked Tyrion if what he did was right, and Tyrion said “what we did”.

Ask yourself that again in 10 years.....

Paraphrased.
 
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Who set up the council meeting and why didn't they provide name tags? I mean which guy was Howland Reed? No powerpoint or introductions ? At least they provided water bottles.
 
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I’m betting the same posters who hated this season and/or ending felt the same way about The Sopranos and others as well. #predictable
I think there were some very valid things for people to be unhappy with concerning the writing and plot resolution of this season, but the negativity got so bad that people are overly negative about things that didn't deserve it.

The best example to me was Dany going off and burning the city. There have been clues from the beginning that this type of behavior was likely to happen, and incidents this year to drive it happening.

On a board I was reading last week where most were complaining about episode 5, it was almost unanimous among the people who had binge watched the seven seasons for the first time before season 8 that Dany's actions were what they expected to happen. I think the delay in finishing the series led to people (me included) getting too wrapped up in what they wanted to happen, or what they thought would happen, than what was actually happening in the show.
 
but the negativity got so bad that people are overly negative about things that didn't deserve it..

I have noticed just in general, people are told how to think and follow along like sheep.

Basically after every big event/tv show/movie, there's reaction videos on youtube/twitter/social media generating anger (because thats what gets viewers). This content literally find any flaw they possibly can for a few clicks. So then it just escalates the hate for it and there's a never ending circle of complaining.
 
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