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OT: growing grass

http://plant-pest-advisory.rutgers.edu/battling-green-and-false-kyllinga-in-new-jersey-turfs/

It’s a tough one. Dismiss or Sedgehammer can be effective with multiple applications. See Rutgers turf link above.

As much as I'd rather not, I'm leaning towards applying Sedgehammer this year as opposed to finishing up my supply of Dismiss. I'm thinking maybe I have both kyllinga and false kyllinga, and each product is more effective at one or the other. Regardless, I'll be spraying more chemicals, as much as I dislike doing so.

http://www.golfdom.com/false-green-kyllinga-control-in-cool-season-turf/
 
Seeds went down on Saturday, covered with salt hay, watering twice a day for two weeks. Supposed to get into the mid 60s again today, so hopefully my AM watering stays wet until I get home from work.

It’s not October, but best grass I grew last year was started on Fathers Day, so it can be done.
 
It’s been 8 days since the seeds when down and no germination yet. I’m watering 2x a day, same plan as I’ve used in the past with success.

I know 7-14 days for germination is typical, but I’ve had sprouts in 7 days before. There have been some cold days here and there (this morning it was in the 40s), hoping that that is just is making it take longer this time. I was in a rush because we were getting into the high 70 a week ago and wanted to give them a chance to survive before the real heat comes.

Hoping not all is lost. I really don’t want to wait until Oct for real grass.
 
It’s been 8 days since the seeds when down and no germination yet. I’m watering 2x a day, same plan as I’ve used in the past with success.

I know 7-14 days for germination is typical, but I’ve had sprouts in 7 days before. There have been some cold days here and there (this morning it was in the 40s), hoping that that is just is making it take longer this time. I was in a rush because we were getting into the high 70 a week ago and wanted to give them a chance to survive before the real heat comes.

Hoping not all is lost. I really don’t want to wait until Oct for real grass.
Exactly why we decided to do sod. Plus, we are still not quite ready for the grass/sod--will be at least another 2 weeks.
 
It’s been 8 days since the seeds when down and no germination yet. I’m watering 2x a day, same plan as I’ve used in the past with success.

I know 7-14 days for germination is typical, but I’ve had sprouts in 7 days before. There have been some cold days here and there (this morning it was in the 40s), hoping that that is just is making it take longer this time. I was in a rush because we were getting into the high 70 a week ago and wanted to give them a chance to survive before the real heat comes.

Hoping not all is lost. I really don’t want to wait until Oct for real grass.
Give it another week. Mine didn't come up until 13 days after being laid down. Make sure not to overwater.
 
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Exactly why we decided to do sod. Plus, we are still not quite ready for the grass/sod--will be at least another 2 weeks.
Do you have built in sprinklers? Sod without irrigation is a difficult thing as it is less resilient due to more shallow root system. I might to go that route eventually, but for now I’ve trying to avoid the expense if it can be done another way. Also my front yard gets brutal afternoon sun so it roasts in the dog days of summer.
 
Do you have built in sprinklers? Sod without irrigation is a difficult thing as it is less resilient due to more shallow root system. I might to go that route eventually, but for now I’ve trying to avoid the expense if it can be done another way. Also my front yard gets brutal afternoon sun so it roasts in the dog days of summer.

We are in the final stages of a total remodel of the house and yard. Our yard is a dirt/mud pit right now.

If the contractors cooperate-sprinklers go in this week, followed by sod. The problem for us is that in order to mow the sections of our yard with the tractor, we would have to go across newly planted grass (seed or sod). We got a quote for sod that was not tremendously more expensive than grass. And considering our lousy experience with growing grass in the past, we did not want to deal with filling in bare spots, weeds, etc. We just want to be done.

We were also lucky that the well on the property that had not been used for 40 years worked after we changed the pump, which was seized. So, other than electric, we will have a free water source. Checked the iron level, and it is quite low. So we are good there too--no rust stains on the fence.
 
We are in the final stages of a total remodel of the house and yard. Our yard is a dirt/mud pit right now.

If the contractors cooperate-sprinklers go in this week, followed by sod. The problem for us is that in order to mow the sections of our yard with the tractor, we would have to go across newly planted grass (seed or sod). We got a quote for sod that was not tremendously more expensive than grass. And considering our lousy experience with growing grass in the past, we did not want to deal with filling in bare spots, weeds, etc. We just want to be done.

We were also lucky that the well on the property that had not been used for 40 years worked after we changed the pump, which was seized. So, other than electric, we will have a free water source. Checked the iron level, and it is quite low. So we are good there too--no rust stains on the fence.
Be careful, lots of orange sidewalks in Wall, SLH and SG.
 
It’s been 8 days since the seeds when down and no germination yet. I’m watering 2x a day, same plan as I’ve used in the past with success.

I know 7-14 days for germination is typical, but I’ve had sprouts in 7 days before. There have been some cold days here and there (this morning it was in the 40s), hoping that that is just is making it take longer this time. I was in a rush because we were getting into the high 70 a week ago and wanted to give them a chance to survive before the real heat comes.

Hoping not all is lost. I really don’t want to wait until Oct for real grass.

right there with you. Put down 1-step Pennington Seed, fert,mulch....watering per the guidelines (plus I've grown PLENTY of grass over the years) 10-12 days and ZIPPO so far. Reading a lot of reviews like this. I have to believe the temps both day and night are retarding the germination. Will know fer sure after the mid 80's end of week!
 
right there with you. Put down 1-step Pennington Seed, fert,mulch....watering per the guidelines (plus I've grown PLENTY of grass over the years) 10-12 days and ZIPPO so far. Reading a lot of reviews like this. I have to believe the temps both day and night are retarding the germination. Will know fer sure after the mid 80's end of week!
Air temps and lack of sun keeping soil temps down. I may need to throw down more crabgrass pre-emergent.
 
In my neighborhood in Bay Ridge, 1/3 of the block has installed turf. No joke. Looks like shit -- except in the winter, when it looks great.
 
Everyone needs to be patient, everything is delayed this year do to temps and lack of sun. Last year at this time I had peaches beginning to form. This year, my flowers just began falling off. Fig trees just got uncovered, they had all types of green last year, this year still look like sticks. It's been very overcast and cool temps, every thing is just delayed this year.
 
Everyone needs to be patient, everything is delayed this year do to temps and lack of sun. Last year at this time I had peaches beginning to form. This year, my flowers just began falling off. Fig trees just got uncovered, they had all types of green last year, this year still look like sticks. It's been very overcast and cool temps, every thing is just delayed this year.

You do realize this is New Jersey--we are not the patient state. Mental patients, maybe, but patience?
 
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right there with you. Put down 1-step Pennington Seed, fert,mulch....watering per the guidelines (plus I've grown PLENTY of grass over the years) 10-12 days and ZIPPO so far. Reading a lot of reviews like this. I have to believe the temps both day and night are retarding the germination. Will know fer sure after the mid 80's end of week!
Ok that’s comforting. But does this mean that the seeds on the ground are good as dead at this point? How long can they stay wet and eventually still sprout. I got the big bag that was $65
 
Ok that’s comforting. But does this mean that the seeds on the ground are good as dead at this point? How long can they stay wet and eventually still sprout. I got the big bag that was $65
Your seeds haven't germinated yet because it's been so damned cold. As I said above, give it another week.
 
I know. I’m just trying to decide if I should keep up my watering routine until it gets warm again
I think keeping the soil moist is important regardless. I am going to call the cust. service # tomorrow to ask if I should (gently) rake the "crusty" surface now existing. Worse case rake it and throw down a little more seed.

As Kolazar said, things are behind. Our daffodils just bloomed as did our forsythia...normally early to mid-April.
 
I know. I’m just trying to decide if I should keep up my watering routine until it gets warm again
Here's what I had Saturday after 3 weeks:

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This was the area killed off by herbicide last September by our landscapers.
 
It's 34° this morning on May 1st, that's why it's taking so long for your grass to grow.
 
The seeds on the ground are probably fine. They're seeds not eggs. If you dig up your yard and overturn the soil, crabgrass and other junk that has been previously buried for a few years will germinate & sprout. Customer service will tell you to buy more seed.
 
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The seeds on the ground are probably fine. They're seeds not eggs. If you dig up your yard and overturn the soil, crabgrass and other junk that has been previously buried for a few years will germinate & sprout. Customer service will tell you to buy more seed.
I've already got the reply for that... :boxing:
 
Everyone needs to be patient, everything is delayed this year do to temps and lack of sun. Last year at this time I had peaches beginning to form. This year, my flowers just began falling off. Fig trees just got uncovered, they had all types of green last year, this year still look like sticks. It's been very overcast and cool temps, every thing is just delayed this year.
How do you cover your fig tree? Do you prune it back in the fall? I can never get 100% survival on the branches. Not really a problem since they grow so fast once the heat hits, but it is a little disheartening to have dead limbs after putting all the effort to cover in the fall.
 
right there with you. Put down 1-step Pennington Seed, fert,mulch....watering per the guidelines (plus I've grown PLENTY of grass over the years) 10-12 days and ZIPPO so far. Reading a lot of reviews like this. I have to believe the temps both day and night are retarding the germination. Will know fer sure after the mid 80's end of week!

Negative on the Pennington.
Put that down in the Fall and watered 2x per Day for 3 straight weeks. Nothing came up.
Somebody mentioned Jonathan Green seeds. Will try them.
 
Negative on the Pennington.
Put that down in the Fall and watered 2x per Day for 3 straight weeks. Nothing came up.
Somebody mentioned Jonathan Green seeds. Will try them.
I usually use one of the custom blends from my local farm and garden. I’ve had success in the past with the sun/shade mix from The Yard in Scotch Plains. This time I tried the sun/shade stress mix from Bartells in Clark.
 
How do you cover your fig tree? Do you prune it back in the fall? I can never get 100% survival on the branches. Not really a problem since they grow so fast once the heat hits, but it is a little disheartening to have dead limbs after putting all the effort to cover in the fall.
Heavy pruning in the fall like late November early December. I mean cut it back at least a 1/3, it'll come back with a vengeance. Look for the buds/shoots facing the direction you want it to go next year and cut 1" above it. This is the time to train the tree, anything growing inward cut right off. I do the same for all my fruit trees(February), as you know you're not hurting the tree but promoting growth.

-Then we use 1/4" to 1/2" cotton clothes line(nylon will cut into branches) wrap around branch pulling them all in to make a basket. Tip, put a loop around each branch you can then work it tighter and tighter. Stuff with hay or dry leaves. If you use leaves make sure they are bone dry otherwise they mold. I know, I made this mistake already.

-Wrapped with tight knit burlap and a piece over top. We go twice around. Use duct tape to secure, easiest way.

-Then wrapped in 6 mil. clear plastic(no colors you're not making a green house) again use duct tape, leave top open. Then cut a piece wider then the width of the wrapped tree. Drape over top and secure with duct tape around tree only. This will give you vent holes on either side of the tree. Made this mistake also, leaving no vents.

-Finally while wrapping it's ok if the burlap is on the dirt just make sure the plastic covers it. Use heavy objects(we use bricks) around the base to hold it down. Burlap and Plastic always seems to want to work it's way up during high winds.

We have a 15 foot bush and it's tough, branches always die at the top. Our other 6 footer took me two years to get it through a winter. I forget which year it was but these were originally trees with 5" diameter trunks. Everyone from Maryland up lost all their trees and had to start over. That's where I'm trying to get to again. O one last thing, cull your crop by a third. It'll make the ones you get sweeter and bigger.
 
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Negative on the Pennington.
Put that down in the Fall and watered 2x per Day for 3 straight weeks. Nothing came up.
Somebody mentioned Jonathan Green seeds. Will try them.
Yeah I saw some less than positive comments here. Guess what...no surprise..little guys are sprotting tonight after 80 degrees. Yeah!
 
Make sure you're religious about watering it over the next 5 days or so - heat like this will quickly kill anything coming up if it dries out! Even though mine has germinated and we got rain on Monday, I still watered it this morning before heading out.
Yeah I saw some less than positive comments here. Guess what...no surprise..little guys are sprouting tonight after 80 degrees. Yeah!

Same here. Looking at sprouts this morning. Hooray!
Yup, pretty much what I expected. The cold really delayed their germination, that's why I didn't see anything coming up until day 13.
 
I'm enjoying my neighbors bush, though sometimes its a nuisance. Any advice greatly appreciated.

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Make sure you're religious about watering it over the next 5 days or so - heat like this will quickly kill anything coming up if it dries out! Even though mine has germinated and we got rain on Monday, I still watered it this morning before heading out.



Yup, pretty much what I expected. The cold really delayed their germination, that's why I didn't see anything coming up until day 13.
definitely. My wife makes fun of me for how diligent I am about watering, but with the time money and effort put into it so far, turning on the sprinkler is well worth it. I left the routine slip last summer which is why I had large sections of the new lawn crap out.

Luckily I’m home from work today so it’s getting a morning and late afternoon soak (otherwise not until 8p). My front lawn gets full afternoon sun, and It’s july/aug temps out there today so I’m overdoing it.
 
Make sure you're religious about watering it over the next 5 days or so - heat like this will quickly kill anything coming up if it dries out! Even though mine has germinated and we got rain on Monday, I still watered it this morning before heading out.
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oh absolutely. I'm on a rotation of 1 watering for each 3 beers I drink. (and no, that's not the source for the watering lol)
 
The biggest challenge related to spring seeding of cool season grasses is not getting the seeds to germinate, but getting the root system sufficiently established so that it can survive the heat and dryness of the summer. Heat and dryness stress cool season grasses but are optimal for C4 plants (summer weeds) that thrive on those conditions. My suggestion is to keep watering, and shift from light and frequent watering when seed goes down to deep and infrequent watering as the grass gets established.
 
My suggestion is to keep watering, and shift from light and frequent watering when seed goes down to deep and infrequent watering as the grass gets established.
That's exactly how I water my trees. New fruit trees or our Leyland Cypress privacy wall we just planted this spring get light watering everyday to keep roots damp. My Rutgers Grad Arborist told me once the roots dry out and close up they're done so always keep it damp. Then once established after two years a deep watering twice a week. Except stone fruits only once a week, as they are drought resistant and too much water can damage them. Seems to work real well.
 
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Thanks, i was already looking into Humic acid products and was wondering if they really worked. Was going to buy Jonathan Green Lawn organic Fertilizer 8-3-1 which seems similar. I did some research but can't find anything specific breakdowns of ingredients so not really sure how different they are.

Have you had any experience with this? Its in granular form and available locally so it would be easier.

I also ordered some humic acid through amazon. 2lbs for $24. Will cover an acre.

Update: I put humic acid down a couple weeks ago. Wasn't able to cover the whole lawn with my hose and you can see the difference where i sprayed and where I didn't. Much deeper green. Can't see any visible difference in the soil but i assume that is happening. Will do a worm test in a few weeks :smiley:

Saw some improvement in the ground ivy but that is going to a much more difficult project. Going to do a second application after this rainy period is over.
 
Need some advice. Have some areas that are roughly 50% crabgrass, 25% dirt, and 25% decent grass. Had planned to rake up weeds, put down a layer of topsoil, and then seed along with the Scott's starter fertlizer/weed killer product, but just didn't have enough time.

Now the crabgrass is starting to come in, what's my best course of action over the next few days? Round up & seed? Pre-emergent? Weed & feed? Spot treatment?
 
Need some advice. Have some areas that are roughly 50% crabgrass, 25% dirt, and 25% decent grass. Had planned to rake up weeds, put down a layer of topsoil, and then seed along with the Scott's starter fertlizer/weed killer product, but just didn't have enough time.

Now the crabgrass is starting to come in, what's my best course of action over the next few days? Round up & seed? Pre-emergent? Weed & feed? Spot treatment?


Kill it off with round up. After 3 or 4 days break you the soil and rake out what is left of the weeds soak the ground with water and seed
 
Put in some sod in an area where I'm replacing a garden. Right now the edges of each sod piece are brown (skipped a weekend of watering while away). Add seed? Start over?
 
If you are not talking a large area, you might want to get a few bags of soil and run some over edges, add a bit of seed and water in. The seams obviously dry out first and grass will die back due to lack of water but often will come back/ fill in.
 
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