OT: John Wayne Airport - Thoughts?

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  1. T2Kplus10

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    @RU4Real and others.

    Flying into SNA today for a Disneyland vacation (and a few day trips). I hear SNA is a bit unique for landing and taking off. What's up? I read a review of what happens, but the article was 9 years old, not sure if things have changed.
     
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    Nope, it's accurate.

    SNA is considered to have one of the fastest/steepest takeoff rolls in the world. The short runway (5,700ft) and noise restriction laws in the surrounding areas (Newport Beach) force departing aircraft to ascend aggressively right after takeoff. This rapid ascent makes for less noise pollution in the residential areas built directly ahead of the airport. Takeoffs at SNA are at 25 degree angles compared to other airports where a 10 degree angle is used.
     
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    i flew in and out of it a couple years ago.

    i dont remember it being anything different. in fact if you hadn't mentioned it in this thread i would have never known something was different.

    its just... another airport.

    i suppose ignorance is bliss?
     
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    Good info, thanks! I also saw that they greatly reduce engine power sooner than expected that scared a lot of people (thinking something is wrong!).
     
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    SNA is highly noise-sensitive and has some pretty rigorous noise-abatement procedures. That said, landing isn't particularly unusual other than that pilots are encouraged to use the minimum flap setting, which will typically translate into a faster approach speed.

    Departures can be a little more spectacular, depending on the aircraft. Worst-case scenario, it's gonna be a steep climb on a low power setting, which will feel a little unstable from inside the passenger cabin.
     
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    Flew in last year for Disney trip too - no issues - quiet airport on the whole (this is of course coming from Newark). Enjoy your trip!
     
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    I like John Wayne - very relaxed. Anything beats that undersized and crazy LAX. Didn’t even know about the other stuff, but if you fly into LGA everything else is a piece of cake.
     
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    Enjoy Disney :D
     
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    John Wayne is fine. Much better than LAX. What a mess that airport is. Whenever possible, I use Burbank. I’ll even do a short lay over somewhere to avoid LAX. Burbank is great. Easiest airport going. Long Beach is easy too.
     
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    Last time I was there they were filming Jerry Maguire at the airport. Walked right past Tom Cruise.
     
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    Staying at the Grand Californian for the week, day trips to San Diego Zoo and Aliso Beach. Very happy the SNA times worked out, LAX blows!
     
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    Well Pilgrim, strap yourself in and enjoy the ride.
     
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    SNA is so much easier than LAX, especially if heading south from the airport. Flown in and out several times and noticed exactly zero difference between this airport and any other. Well, other than the SNAkes in the overhead compartments. Let us know how it goes.
     
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    John Wayne airport is more convenient than LAX...Never noticed any difference... my favorite airport in Southern Cal is Palm Springs...luv that airport...
     
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    Enjoy the chuck wagon chilli ...
     
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    SNA also has very strict rules on time as it pertains to departures due to noise restrictions in surrounding area. They shut the airport down at 10 sharp. No exceptions. They get major fines if they allow takeoffs after curfew. They’ll call a jet back in if they’re not out before 10pm which is not uncommon especially during the foggy season. I’ve had it happen to me twice.
     
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    Let me know if you make it up to civilization, aka Beverly Hills :)
     
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    That's right. The planes take off with high velocity for about 30 seconds. Then they throttle off over the expensive homes. For the uninitiated, it might seem a little scary, but overall is no big deal.

    The airport itself is easy in and out - so much better than LAX. Rental cars are on site but tend to be expensive.
     
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    No problem, should be doing a work trip soon to LA.....Marina Del Day Marriott and market research on Westwood.
     
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    Burbank is the best So Cal airport by far. I fly Southwest mostly.

    **San Diego is awful, but is in a great location. Busiest single runway airport in USA. Highlights are flying right next to downtown SD and also literally a few feet over a parking garage right before landing. Terminal is terrible, especially when flights are delayed.
    **Ontario. All-around depressing. Access is easy, but this airport is a reflection of how crappy the Inland Empire tends to be. Food and bar are turrible.
    **LAX. Epically terrible. I will give credit to LAX, though for investing a lot of $$ on terminal upgrades. The international terminal is awesome.
    **Bob Hope. Small, convenient, easy access to Downtown LA. A step back in time as your flight boards from the outside. Bonus: Board from front and back of plane.
    **John Wayne. Easy access to/from airport. All-around pleasant - as the OC tends to be. Assuming you like suburbs and beaches.
    **Long Beach. I've never really counted Long Beach since Southwest hasn't had much of a presence there. But very convenient location and easy boarding. Tiki hut waiting areas are a nice touch.
    **Palmdale. Biggest problem is airport is in Palmdale. LAX operates this airport and has basically killed it off.
     
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    No help on airport.. but why Disneyland and not Disneyworld.. is it the rain issues in Florida or that Star Wars Galaxy's Edge is open?

    And why isn't it Marion Mitchell Morrison Airport?
     
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    Spot on. I’ve flown into SNA about 30 times and honestly never noticed a difference. SNA is godsend, especially if you’re visiting Orange County and don’t want to deal with the LA traffic nonsense.
     
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    We have been to Disney World 6 times with our daughter already (and #7 coming in Oct)! Our plan is to bring the little one to every Disney in the world. We booked Disneyland 9 months ago, so Star Wars being open is dumb luck. :)
     
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    I flew in and out of there last December for a conference in Anaheim. Very convenient and didn't notice anything on either flight.
     
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    Definitely landing was no different.....let's see about takeoff next week.
     
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    Only done for takeoffs.
     
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    So what’s the story on the 737 MAX ? Will they need to rename it. Seems flyers will avoid at all cost whenever it finally gets back online
     
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    I'm honestly not sure what they're going to do with it. There are an awful lot of them out there and Boeing still has orders for a few hundred more. Trouble is, the aircraft has an inherent design flaw (the tendency to pitch up at low speeds and high angles of attack, due to a change in the center of lift when the engines were relocated on the wing). It was this flaw that necessitated the MCAS in the first place.

    Then they compounded the issue by subjecting their customers to maybe the absolute worst real-life system architecture error, ever (designing an automated flight control system which relies on a single input). Done properly, the system isn't a terrible idea. And the reality of modern flight is that there do exist some high performance aircraft which are inherently unstable and would fall out of the sky were it not for complex, automated flight control systems. But now... there are compound trust issues at play, here.

    Ultimately they'll have to completely redesign the MCAS and hope for sufficient marketing genius so as to bestow on Boeing what is commonly referred to as a "Tylenol moment". And hope that the flying public forgets to remember to care.

    It's worth bearing in mind, too, that the MAX's predecessors, both previous generations of 737, had serious problems which resulted in total airframe losses. And yet it's still the most popular airplane, of any kind, ever.
     
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    I pretty much fly out of this airport at least twice a month since I live in OC and never really noticed that its that steep -- maybe for a bit then levels off. Another crazy thing is if the planes run late and cant land before 10 pm, we land at LAX and get bused down.

    My daughter and friends were at Disneyland last weekend and they were able to get through most of the major rides within 4 hours. Not a lot of folks there yet.
     
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    I fly in every year and no issues. Just another flight and airport.
     
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    Agree about Bill Bradley, though if you compare it to other global terminals, it’s still lacking imo.

    Check out Jet Suite X if you are ever in LA and need to go to Vegas or a limited few other areas. Flies out of its own hangar in Burbank and is as close to flying privately without actually doing so. Wish they flew more places.
     
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    I fly in and out of SNA twice a year with no issues. Nice small airport.
     
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    If someone gave you 10k and said you had to buy stock in either airbus or Boeing who would you choose ? Curious about your thoughts.
     
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    What's your holding period?
     
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    This.

    Don't forget, Boeing may have 737-MAX issues, but Airbus is taking a bath on the soon to be dead A380.
     
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    My brother in law swears by Jet Suite X. He absolutely loves it. But since I'm in the Sacramento area it doesn't work for me.
     
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    Airbus isn't a US company - ITA is specific to US companies in defense and aerospace.

    There may be some funds available domestically which include it, but Airbus Industrie stock does not trade on any of the US exchanges.

    All that aside, over the long run Boeing stock is a solid performer and they've been in tight jams, before.
     
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