Anybody have any experience? Diagnosed with one last night. Only 2mm which is positive, but 3 times in last week I've had debilitating pain laying for a few hours. Drinking lots of water and armed w percocets, but appreciate any advice or stories.
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I have had three. The most painful things I have ever experienced. The pain, however, is not about passing the stone. The worst pain usually occurs as it moves from the kidney to the bladder. Sounds as if yours is small enough to pass. I passed one of the stones almost immediately but the last one took three days. It hurts when it moves, once it stops the pain recedes. Then it moves again. I passed all three and had no pain while they exited. Getting to the bladder however was really really bad. If it is small enough to pass then it is a wait until it passes thing. Good luck.Anybody have any experience? Diagnosed with one last night. Only 2mm which is positive, but 3 times in last week I've had debilitating pain laying for a few hours. Drinking lots of water and armed w percocets, but appreciate any advice or stories.
That's encouraging. I read that the pain is worse as it moves from kidney to bladder but positive to hear from someone firsthand. I've had 3 brutal episodes the last week and think it's getting close if not in bladder. Appreciate all the advise.I have had three. The most painful things I have ever experienced. The pain, however, is not about passing the stone. The worst pain usually occurs as it moves from the kidney to the bladder. Sounds as if yours is small enough to pass. I passed one of the stones almost immediately but the last one took three days. It hurts when it moves, once it stops the pain recedes. Then it moves again. I passed all three and had no pain while they exited. Getting to the bladder however was really really bad. If it is small enough to pass then it is a wait until it passes thing. Good luck.
They were able to analyze mine, and I had to give up all tea products -- black tea, iced tea, green tea, chai tea. Any type of tea you could think of. I was also told by the urologist that cranberry juice is good for the bladder, but hard on the kidneys. At that time of my life, I was drinking a lot of tea and cranberry juice. Haven't had any since. I don't want that pain ever again.Had 3 and passed 2 on my own. The third one required surgical intervention. Interesting that your screen name is RU cheese as excess calcium can cause stones. After this one passes you my want to give up food that is heavy on calcium. Hopefully you can catch the stone so it can be analyzed.
Stones are generally not overly smooth so depending on size the pain traveling through the ureter is from the edges scraping the lining of the tube. Usually if you see blood or if dr retests it in a sample it’s from that and is another way they help diagnose it’s a stone. One reason flomax is suggested is because it loosens/dilates the tube in a sense which is supposed to help let the stone move through easier.That's encouraging. I read that the pain is worse as it moves from kidney to bladder but positive to hear from someone firsthand. I've had 3 brutal episodes the last week and think it's getting close if not in bladder. Appreciate all the advise.
There are actually 2 specific type Kidney stones both chemical makeup is different. Calcium Oxalate and Calcium Phosphate. Since the age of 21 I have had 9 kidney stones. If you are a kidney stone producers ( genetically) you will most likely produce a stone every 5-7 years. Water and diet is important for sure but unfortunately even that sometimes isn’t enough. Some docs recommend drinking lemon juice in the water. Some may give a diuretic making you urinate more often. Most now if you have a stone give flomax in order to relax the ureters.I had a 8mm stone removed in ‘76 ( at Cornell in NY which became lodged in the right ureter . They did not have lithotripsies yet my first one taking place at RWJ in New Brunswick 1992 my other two have been at JFK. The issue with the lithotripsy is the gravel left takes sometimes weeks to months to pass all the way out so fluids and exercise do help. There are times when they will leave a stent in for a week to help evac the sediment out. The pain can be excruciating and the chance of passing a stone larger than 6 mm is iffy. Just 4 weeks ago I had lower back pain which was diagnosed as a bulging disc …while going to the bathroom felt something move, enter and low and behold an 8 mm stone( from the past litho) formed in the bladder and decided to make a run for it. I actually had no pain since this stone was formed in the bladder . Once a stone passes into the bladder the pain ceases for most. My life experiences and talking to some great URO Docs has given me an understanding about this painful and sometime emergency type situation. A blocked up plumbing system is a dangerous thing. So as a side to all this . If you have a litho procedure make certain to understand that though safe there are some red flags . I’m glad they gave this and I would never want to go under surgery- surgery. Years ago they cut the kidney to get the stone if too large. A 12 “ cut near the right or left flank . Thankfully less invasive procedures do exist. Good luck and remember …DRINK WATER( or a six pack … one doc’s recommendation) Try to stay away from the list of 100+ items not to eat which is not easy.Had 3 and passed 2 on my own. The third one required surgical intervention. Interesting that your screen name is RU cheese as excess calcium can cause stones. After this one passes you my want to give up food that is heavy on calcium. Hopefully you can catch the stone so it can be analyzed.
Yes… usually highly successful… some larger stones require several lithotripsy procedures but it sure beats the alternative of surgery. If your stone is under 5-6 mm usually passes by itself . Over that and it’s a crap shoot may or may not. Wish you a good outcome … It is an amazing procedure. Sonar / sound waves who would have thunk it?I have two as we speak 5-7 mm, have not caused any issues and have been there for at least four years. Just had a CAT scan last week. Dr intends to crus them with a sonic wave procedure, so i can pee the scraps out. Anyone ever use this approach? I past one 2mm ten years ago and it was a bitch.
As someone else pointed out stones can cause infections and blockages so clearing them out is advantageous . Some folks live for years with stones ( large ones) imbedded or stuck high up in the kidney. They normally never have any issues unless the little shit starts to wander.I have two as we speak 5-7 mm, have not caused any issues and have been there for at least four years. Just had a CAT scan last week. Dr intends to crus them with a sonic wave procedure, so i can pee the scraps out. Anyone ever use this approach? I past one 2mm ten years ago and it was a bitch.
Informative postThere are actually 2 specific type Kidney stones both chemical makeup is different. Calcium Oxalate and Calcium Phosphate. Since the age of 21 I have had 9 kidney stones. If you are a kidney stone producers ( genetically) you will most likely produce a stone every 5-7 years. Water and diet is important for sure but unfortunately even that sometimes isn’t enough. Some docs recommend drinking lemon juice in the water. Some may give a diuretic making you urinate more often. Most now if you have a stone give flomax in order to relax the ureters.I had a 8mm stone removed in ‘76 ( at Cornell in NY which became lodged in the right ureter . They did not have lithotripsies yet my first one taking place at RWJ in New Brunswick 1992 my other two have been at JFK. The issue with the lithotripsy is the gravel left takes sometimes weeks to months to pass all the way out so fluids and exercise do help. There are times when they will leave a stent in for a week to help evac the sediment out. The pain can be excruciating and the chance of passing a stone larger than 6 mm is iffy. Just 4 weeks ago I had lower back pain which was diagnosed as a bulging disc …while going to the bathroom felt something move, enter and low and behold an 8 mm stone( from the past litho) formed in the bladder and decided to make a run for it. I actually had no pain since this stone was formed in the bladder . Once a stone passes into the bladder the pain ceases for most. My life experiences and talking to some great URO Docs has given me an understanding about this painful and sometime emergency type situation. A blocked up plumbing system is a dangerous thing. So as a side to all this . If you have a litho procedure make certain to understand that though safe there are some red flags . I’m glad they gave this and I would never want to go under surgery- surgery. Years ago they cut the kidney to get the stone if too large. A 12 “ cut near the right or left flank . Thankfully less invasive procedures do exist. Good luck and remember …DRINK WATER( or a six pack … one doc’s recommendation) Try to stay away from the list of 100+ items not to eat which is not easy.
These are imbedded and he said unlikely to pass, but we don’t want them getting biggerAs someone else pointed out stones can cause infections and blockages so clearing them out is advantageous . Some folks live for years with stones ( large ones) imbedded or stuck high up in the kidney. They normally never have any issues unless the little shit starts to wander.
Exactly : This is why leaving them in too long is a danger. Better to try the lithotripsy procedure which has high success rates, minor post procedure discomfort if none at all. Your urologist can guide you on the safest and less invasive path if possible . Once the stone sediment starts sticking together it is like the ocean sands forming in clumps. Fascinating but painful for the patient. Good LuckThese are imbedded and he said unlikely to pass, but we don’t want them getting bigger
Very good point as calcium supplements are different and can be an issue for stone producer. The irony is green vegetables , tea , chocolate all contain those things that help manufacture kidney stones. With water the theory is 10-12 8 oz glasses per day . But other factors come into play as too much water can be a strain on the kidneys… almost like an overload. My personal philosophy is listen and read up on your problem on any chronic medical issue.Dietary calcium ok - supplements no good.
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"Surprisingly, the more calcium-containing foods you eat, the lower your risk of kidney stones. This was confirmed during a study involving 91,731 nurses between the ages of 34 and 59, none of whom had ever had kidney stones at the outset. During the 12 years of the study, 864 of the nurses developed kidney stones for the first time (that averages out to about one of every 1,000 participating). The researchers found that the higher the intake of dietary calcium, the less chance the nurses had of developing stones. However, among the nurses whose calcium intake was high and who also took calcium supplements, the risk of developing kidney stones was 20 percent greater than normal."
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Very good point as calcium supplements are different and can be an issue for stone producer. The irony is green vegetables , tea , chocolate all contain those things that help manufacture kidney stones. With water the theory is 10-12 8 oz glasses per day . But other factors come into play as too much water can be a strain on the kidneys… almost like an overload. My personal philosophy is listen and read up on your problem on any chronic medical issue.
It’s not really dairy products tom1944… for some time , back in the 50’s to early 80’s , the thinking by medical experts bordered on calcium products. Perhaps since primarily stones are usually calcium oxalate the restricting of dairy was a bad idea as it causes the body to pull needed calcium out of your bones. Those oxalates which are found in chocolates, tea etc. all combine to form foreign bodies such as those painful kidney stones .If your body doesn’t rid itself of the waste it settles in the kidneys . I have had numerous test on both kidneys to check… stone producers usually all get tested by a 24-48 urine collection. Always turns out kidneys functioning 100 percent. No back ups… no extraordinary negatives.So as I tell everyone there are much worse things to have in life. Just try to adhere to good practices in eating. Alcohol is also frowned upon😘I drink one glass of chocolate almond milk every morning. Glad I don’t have a history of stones or that would have to go.
It’s not really dairy products tom1944… for some time , back in the 50’s to early 80’s , the thinking by medical experts bordered on calcium products. Perhaps since primarily stones are usually calcium oxalate the restricting of dairy was a bad idea as it causes the body to pull needed calcium out of your bones. Those oxalates which are found in chocolates, tea etc. all combine to form foreign bodies such as those painful kidney stones .If your body doesn’t rid itself of the waste it settles in the kidneys . I have had numerous test on both kidneys to check… stone producers usually all get tested by a 24-48 urine collection. Always turns out kidneys functioning 100 percent. No back ups… no extraordinary negatives.So as I tell everyone there are much worse things to have in life. Just try to adhere to good practices in eating. Alcohol is also frowned upon😘
Apparently people need some calcium to bind with the oxalates in the intestines and take them out so some dietary calcium needed. I also read stevia can be a problem in stone creation. Personally I never trusted the stuff because stevia leaves contain pyrrolizidine alkaloids which are bad for liver. I'm sensitive to them and after a week of stevia I knew it was bad news
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