OT: Late Model Accord Owners - CVT

[kupuna133]

I feel like maybe you don't have a job or anything.

Once again incorrect. Actually fairly successful. Own my own business.
Again making it personal. Not a good look for you. Since I joined this forum you have gone out of your way to make me feel welcome. You have behaved like a condescending grade A pr!(k. Only to be proven incorrect every time you have challenged me. Something you do in almost any thread with multiple people. I only defend myself when attacked and you are always on the offensive.

 

[kupuna133]

I'm not a car guy, per se, but will offer a few observations.
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1. I've been in 4Real's A3 and it is a fine piece of machinery. And the VAG implementation--whatever the f@ck that means--was TIGHT...see what I did there?

2. M is the shorthand for million. K for thousand or G if you are gangsta.

I don't know much, but I do know that we can't be talking about cars that are $32m...

carry on

m is short hand for thousand
mm or M is million

 

[RU4Real]

Once again incorrect. Actually fairly successful. Own my own business.
Again making it personal. Not a good look for you. Since I joined this forum you have gone out of your way to make me feel welcome. You have behaved like a condescending grade A pr!(k. Only to be proven incorrect every time you have challenged me. Something you do in almost any thread with multiple people. I only defend myself when attacked and you are always on the offensive.

Then I fail to understand why you insist on apples & oranges comparisons in this discussion.

OP is looking at a $26.5k Honda. An A3, similarly equipped, is a tick shy of $32k. Somehow you translate that into a "52%" difference.

Moving up the food chain, I offered a comparison between a top of the line Accord at about $33.4k and an A3 at just under $40k. Your response to that was to insist that Accords started at $23k.

OP himself indicated that was not the car he was looking for.

My original point still stands - the difference between similarly equipped examples of both cars is not what you say it is. Period, end.

 

[kupuna133]

Then I fail to understand why you insist on apples & oranges comparisons in this discussion.

OP is looking at a $26.5k Honda. An A3, similarly equipped, is a tick shy of $32k. Somehow you translate that into a "52%" difference.

Moving up the food chain, I offered a comparison between a top of the line Accord at about $33.4k and an A3 at just under $40k. Your response to that was to insist that Accords started at $23k.

OP himself indicated that was not the car he was looking for.

My original point still stands - the difference between similarly equipped examples of both cars is not what you say it is. Period, end.

I am not the one that change variable three times in the same thread. You pointing out the point I already made with the OP looking at the $26.5m Honda when you broought up a car pretty close to $40m doesn't help your argument. END!!!! Whatever that means?

 

[RU4Real]

I am not the one that change variable three times in the same thread. You pointing out the point I already made with the OP looking at the $26.5m Honda when you broought up a car pretty close to $40m doesn't help your argument. END!!!! Whatever that means?

This is why I don't like you.

I wasn't "changing variables". I was simply describing different trim levels and how they compare. Until his second comment on the subject, I didn't know which trim level Accord OP was looking at, other than that he definitely wasn't looking at the base level as you assumed. Again, my point was that if you compare apples to apples, the prices aren't really that far off - the price difference that exists is represented in 1) an outstanding AWD system and 2) a superior level of fit and finish.

You keep trying to make the conversation about something that it's not about.

 

[kupuna133]

This is why I don't like you.

I wasn't "changing variables". I was simply describing different trim levels and how they compare. Until his second comment on the subject, I didn't know which trim level Accord OP was looking at, other than that he definitely wasn't looking at the base level as you assumed. Again, my point was that if you compare apples to apples, the prices aren't really that far off - the price difference that exists is represented in 1) an outstanding AWD system and 2) a superior level of fit and finish.

You keep trying to make the conversation about something that it's not about.

Again you keep making my point for me. You did not know what trim levels the OP was looking for but thought that throwing an apple into an orange conversation was appropriate not once but 3 times. OP was looking at a $26.5m vehicle but you thought appropriate to bring uo "your A3" at close to $ 40m and two others in the mid $30m range. Exactly my point from the get go. Recommending an Audi to someone that is looking for a Honda is not sound advice. Apples to Oranges in your terminology. If someone is looking for a Lexus an Acura an Infiniti the Audi would be a comparable car and in turn price point (apples to apples).

Again thank you for making it personal with the I don't like you. Very mature!

 

[RU4Real]

Again you keep making my point for me. You did not know what trim levels the OP was looking for but thought that throwing an apple into an orange conversation was appropriate not once but 3 times. OP was looking at a $26.5m vehicle but you thought appropriate to bring uo "your A3" at close to $ 40m and two others in the mid $30m range. Exactly my point from the get go. Recommending an Audi to someone that is looking for a Honda is not sound advice. Apples to Oranges in your terminology. If someone is looking for a Lexus an Acura an Infiniti the Audi would be a comparable car and in turn price point (apples to apples).

Again thank you for making it personal with the I don't like you. Very mature!

You clearly don't understand cars. Duly noted.

 

[kupuna133]

You clearly don't understand cars. Duly noted.

Great rebuttal! Actually I have 2 vehicles in the Audi family. That is why I knew better to recommend an Audi to someone pursuing a Honda. When there is no defense say duly noted. Understood!

 

[RU4Real]

Great rebuttal! Actually I have 2 vehicles in the Audi family. That is why I knew better to recommend an Audi to someone pursuing a Honda. When there is no defense say duly noted. Understood!

If it doesn't make sense then maybe you'd like to explain what your problem is with recommending a $31,400 car to somebody considering a $26,800 car.

And what, precisely, does "Audi family" mean? There is no "Audi family", there's just Audi. If you said "Volkswagen family", that would make more sense.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I find Audi fascinating.

In the 1980s they fled the USA on the heels of the Unintended Acceleration issues.

Then they come back and are lauded across the board and become the "it" car brand for many.

And now they are part of the Volkswagen pollution scandal and recall and they seem totally immune.

Whatever magic they are brewing in PR and advertising.. they are kicking butt.

 

[kupuna133]

If it doesn't make sense then maybe you'd like to explain what your problem is with recommending a $31,900 car to somebody considering a $26,800 car.

And what, precisely, does "Audi family" mean? There is no "Audi family", there's just Audi. If you said "Volkswagen family", that would make more sense.

Again making my point. You should just be quiet. You did not recommend a $32m car, actually you scoffed at me for posting that price. You recommended a $40m price then 2 cars in the mid $30m price. Never once recommending the $32m car.
Yes I know the parent company is Volkswagen. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. I have 2 vehicles in the Audi line is that better for you.? Neither of them an A3 if you care.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

m is short hand for thousand
mm or M is million

Maybe in the 1870s or in Rome.

We're in neither.

 

[RU4Real]

I find Audi fascinating.

In the 1980s they fled the USA on the heels of the Unintended Acceleration issues.

Then they come back and are lauded across the board and become the "it" car brand for many.

And now they are part of the Volkswagen pollution scandal and recall and they seem totally immune.

Whatever magic they are brewing in PR and advertising.. they are kicking butt.

They're "immune" because there is no current product offering in the United States which uses the TDI "Clean Diesel" engine. So, from a strict product identity perspective, they have no skin in the current game.

Incidentally, you haven't heard the last of this issue. If the government (and the media) decides to peel this onion the general public will soon learn that programming ECUs to react differently in diag / read mode is not an uncommon practice. Volkswagen would appear to have elevated it to a new level, but it's a well-known trick.

 

[RU4Real]

Again making my point. You should just be quiet. You did not recommend a $32m car, actually you scoffed at me for posting that price. You recommended a $40m price then 2 cars in the mid $30m price. Never once recommending the $32m car.
Yes I know the parent company is Volkswagen. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. I have 2 vehicles in the Audi line is that better for you.? Neither of them an A3 if you care.

Now you're just lying:

The OP never mentioned anything about buying a base Accord. In fact, he specifically mentioned that his alternative "is the Mazda 6 which has the regular automatic but lacks some of the features (remote start, apple car play, etc)."

The cheapest Accord with remote start and a CVT is the EX, which starts at $26,280.

The equivalent A3 would be the 1.8T FWD. With the $500 SmartKey option, its MSRP is $31,900.

The Audi, thus equipped, would have a leather interior. The Accord EX comes standard with a fabric interior.

 

[kupuna133]

Maybe in the 1870s or in Rome.

We're in neither.

Guess it's a Wall St thing

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Guess it's a Wall St thing

Maybe on the London desk..

 

[198hamilton]

Did someone just shorten forever?

 

[RUSK97]

I find Audi fascinating.

In the 1980s they fled the USA on the heels of the Unintended Acceleration issues.

Then they come back and are lauded across the board and become the "it" car brand for many.

And now they are part of the Volkswagen pollution scandal and recall and they seem totally immune.

Whatever magic they are brewing in PR and advertising.. they are kicking butt.

Nothing'll happen. Nobody directly died as a result of VW's data fudging. They might end up paying a little money in restitution, but they are the UNC of the automotive world.

 

[kupuna133]

Now you're just lying:

Changing variables multiple times you were bound to find one that would work.

 

[kupuna133]

Maybe on the London desk..

Traded in multiple asset classes on multiple desks and in multiple locations and never once used k to process an order.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Traded in multiple asset classes on multiple desks and in multiple locations and never once used k to process an order.

We're not on a trading desk, sport. We're on a message board. I have an MBA in finance and can count on one hand how many times someone has abbreviated thousands with lower case "m." And they all occurred in this thread.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Traded in multiple asset classes on multiple desks and in multiple locations and never once used k to process an order.

BY all means, use whatever gets you through the night. However, the entire point of posting on a message board is to communicate a thought. It's tough to accomplish that if your audience has no f@cking idea what you're talking about.

 

[kupuna133]

We're not on a trading desk, sport. We're on a message board. I have an MBA in finance and can count on one hand how many times someone has abbreviated thousands with lower case "m." And they all occurred in this thread.

If you find it so disturbing, Sport

We're not on a trading desk, sport. We're on a message board. I have an MBA in finance and can count on one hand how many times someone has abbreviated thousands with lower case "m." And they all occurred in this thread.

I apologize for hurting your feelings sport. I didn't realize it wasn't a common abbreviation.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

If you find it so disturbing, Sport

I apologize for hurting your feelings sport. I didn't realize it wasn't a common abbreviation.

Sport was a Wall Street movie reference. Don't get your knickers in a twist, mate.

 

[RUckusbuck]

Get an Audi A3

Assuming the OP is looking for a mid-size sedan, an A6 would be a suitable luxury/performance alternative.

 

[kupuna133]

Sport was a Wall Street movie reference. Don't get your knickers in a twist, mate.

Too funny! I realized that while typingm y response and thought I deleted the original response. Must have hit reply twice.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Too funny! I realized that while typingm y response and thought I deleted the original response. Must have hit reply twice.

Ha...no harm no foul

 

[theRU]

what is it about NJ - Honda Accord love fest? I never understood it.

 

[theRU]

I'm not a car guy, per se, but will offer a few observations.

2. M is the shorthand for million. K for thousand or G if you are gangsta.

I don't know much, but I do know that we can't be talking about cars that are $32m...

carry on

Wrong...MM= Million , M= Thousand

 

[RU4Real]

what is it about NJ - Honda Accord love fest? I never understood it.

I don't think it's just a NJ thing, I think it's pretty universal. Honda has, historically, done a great job of messaging the Accord as THE value prop in its class. When you consider that the direct alternatives from U.S. manufacturers - Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion, Chrysler 200 - have generally been thought of as less reliable then the segment battle really comes down to either the Accord, Camry or Altima, with a tiny bit of Subaru Legacy thrown in.

IMO there's really nothing in that segment that's interesting, but I'm an enthusiast. Most people aren't. Most people look at cars - particularly in the compact / midsize sedan category, as strictly A to B transportation. In that demographic, the Accord is probably best in class.

 

[theRU]

Maybe in the 1870s or in Rome.

We're in neither.

Wrong again...

 

[rutgersal]

what is it about NJ - Honda Accord love fest? I never understood it.

Great cars that will do 300K miles without breaking a sweat. The first 100K you're just changing the oil and regular maintenance items like tires. Takes regular unleaded, unlike the A3, which takes Premium. Popular, roomy, rock solid reliability, and inexpensive to maintain, relative to other cars, the Accord just might be the greatest car ever made.

 

[theRU]

I don't think it's just a NJ thing, I think it's pretty universal. Honda has, historically, done a great job of messaging the Accord as THE value prop in its class. When you consider that the direct alternatives from U.S. manufacturers - Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion, Chrysler 200 - have generally been thought of as less reliable then the segment battle really comes down to either the Accord, Camry or Altima, with a tiny bit of Subaru Legacy thrown in.

IMO there's really nothing in that segment that's interesting, but I'm an enthusiast. Most people aren't. Most people look at cars - particularly in the compact / midsize sedan category, as strictly A to B transportation. In that demographic, the Accord is probably best in class.

I try to pay attention to these cars and accords tend be bland. The camry was dead there for several years IMO until it got a refresh.

I think the Fusion was a better car but now its a bit long in the tooth with styling. I think the new 2016 malibu is a better car than the Accord.

I find it funny when the American cars were always cheaper than the accords and camrys of the world, they were frowned upon for being cheap with poor materials. Fast forward to today and I feel that this is what you get with these Japanese cars. They are cheaper than the American competitors that are loaded with better tech and more powerful engines, have just as good if not better fit and finish, and they're frowned on for being a bit more expensive.

 

[theRU]

Great cars that will do 300K miles without breaking a sweat. The first 100K you're just changing the oil and regular maintenance items like tires. Takes regular unleaded, unlike the A3, which takes Premium. Popular, roomy, rock solid reliability, and inexpensive to maintain, relative to other cars, the Accord just might be the greatest car ever made.

Most cars today are hitting 100M miles without any issues. Why do it in an fugly accord or even worse. the civic.

 

[RU4Real]

Great cars that will do 300K miles without breaking a sweat. The first 100K you're just changing the oil and regular maintenance items like tires. Takes regular unleaded, unlike the A3, which takes Premium. Popular, roomy, rock solid reliability, and inexpensive to maintain, relative to other cars, the Accord just might be the greatest car ever made.

Biggest red herring in automotive history.

Nearly all manufacturers of turbocharged cars recommend premium fuel. It's basic math - turbocharged engines have higher compression ratios which makes them more susceptible to pre-ignition ("knocking", for us old school guys) which is mitigated by higher octane.

However - all ECUs are perfectly capable of adjusting engine timing and injector timing & duration so that lower octane fuels can be used with absolutely no harmful effects. The only result from a lower octane fuel is a slightly diminished power output. Since very few drivers ask their cars to make full power at any point in time, it pretty much makes no difference.

My wife NEVER puts premium fuel in her A4. And she would never notice the performance difference, if she did.

 

[theRU]

Nice vs Fugly

 

[RUTBAY]

I don't think it's just a NJ thing, I think it's pretty universal. Honda has, historically, done a great job of messaging the Accord as THE value prop in its class. When you consider that the direct alternatives from U.S. manufacturers - Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion, Chrysler 200 - have generally been thought of as less reliable then the segment battle really comes down to either the Accord, Camry or Altima, with a tiny bit of Subaru Legacy thrown in.

IMO there's really nothing in that segment that's interesting, but I'm an enthusiast. Most people aren't. Most people look at cars - particularly in the compact / midsize sedan category, as strictly A to B transportation. In that demographic, the Accord is probably best in class.

The difference in the reliability in this segment is almost immeasurable unless you extend that definition like CR does where they talk about the problems that people report with respect to quirky interfaces etc. Another thing they do when they calculate reliability is not count recall defects. If they did then Toyota would be in the toilet when it came to reliability. The only car in that segment that is trash is the new Chrysler 200. Even though that is the newest entry it is complete garbage. I had one for a week as a rental and I wouldn't drive it at half the price they are asking.

 

[RU4Real]

The difference in the reliability in this segment is almost immeasurable unless you extend that definition like CR does where they talk about the problems that people report with respect to quirky interfaces etc. Another thing they do when they calculate reliability is not count recall defects. If they did then Toyota would be in the toilet when it came to reliability. The only car in that segment that is trash is the new Chrysler 200. Even though that is the newest entry it is complete garbage. I had one for a week as a rental and I wouldn't drive it at half the price they are asking.

In a historical sense, cars are both much more reliable and more comparably reliable. From my own experience, the beaters of my youth aside, the last "new" car to leave me stranded on the side of the road was my 1989 Acura Integra - which, for being a Honda product, was really a colossal piece of shit. The 1992 Altima that followed it was a vastly superior car in every way. Since then, none of the dozen or so cars I've owned since new has been anything close to "unreliable" save my 2005.5 A4 and I'm not sure I'd call that car "unreliable". It broke a lot, but the stuff that broke wasn't stuff that kept it from running.

 

[MangoCat]

I have a 2014 Accord Sport CVT. I gave up manual after 40 years. The transmission is performing well. Lots of pick up. Smooth. 38mpg highway. The Sport is more fun than the other models. I know Ford owners have noted poor CVT experiences, some dangerous.