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OT: Legalization of Marijuana in NJ

The federal government doesn't have any of that authority and the power should go back to states - or of course, amend the constitution and give the feds more powers.

I'm afraid the supreme court disagrees. You know, the court set up by the founding fathers.
 
guess NFL players like Josh Gordon and Tyrian Mathieu are very weak minded. There is literally a poster in this thread who says he prescribes medical marijuana and said it can be addictive. You lost, argument over.

There's absolutely nothing physically addictive about weed. People get addicted to playing Monopoly, eating, jogging, working out etc... This type of addiction to weed is possible. Physically addicted is absolutely not true. Not sure what you don't understand.

Have you seen tobacco smokers, coke heads, heroin addicts? Those people are physically addicted.
 
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Nah I quit weed made me lazy

and see. it had the exact opposite effect on me. I'd look in the mirror and get motivated to improve my health. I used to get stoned and then go run and lift. I swear I could feel every muscle in my body working and it motivated me. Then I'd go play my drums and just play at a level above being straight. I'd pickup beats I'd never hear otherwise. I'd think more,I listen more, hug more, love better, be so much more sensitive to other people...I'm Type A and it made me more like Type A-. oh, and I do the one thing more that everybody in my family wants me to do more. Smile and laugh.

I smoked A TON back in the days at RU and yes. It did effect my studies a bit. But you know what? it also opened up my mind and I have been very successful in my career. I've had some cig's here and there and other things but never got addicted (but yeah..that is me).

I look forward to the day where I can have a little here and there without the anxiety that comes with a) getting busted by the law and b) failing a drug test at work and losing my job and c) stop lying to my (young adult) kids about it.
 
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some of you people are idiots when it comes to drugs [eyeroll] pot is addictive and makes you stupid

ever hear of a pot head stopping(when he shouldn't be driving in the first place) at a stop sign and waiting for it to turn green?

morons.. i vote no on legalization of pot

No one should be driving high or drunk.

Pot or alcohol make you dumb if you do it all the time. Not in moderation
 
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and see. it had the exact opposite effect on me. I'd look in the mirror and get motivated to improve my health. I used to get stoned and then go run and lift. I swear I could feel every muscle in my body working and it motivated me. Then I'd go play my drums and just play at a level above being straight. I'd pickup beats I'd never hear otherwise. I'd think more,I listen more, hug more, love better, be so much more sensitive to other people...I'm Type A and it made me more like Type A-. oh, and I do the one thing more that everybody in my family wants me to do more. Smile and laugh.

I smoked A TON back in the days at RU and yes. It did effect my studies a bit. But you know what? it also opened up my mind and I have been very successful in my career. I've had some cig's here and there and other things but never got addicted (but yeah..that is me).

I look forward to the day where I can have a little here and there without the anxiety that comes with a) getting busted by the law and b) failing a drug test at work and losing my job and c) stop lying to my (young adult) kids about it.
This is a great expose' on how personalities differ. As you well know I live with a great regret over a poor decision I made. Fortunately my obsessive and compulsive personality allows me to suppress that regret by replacing it with being the best person and father I can be everyday. I thank God the same character flaw that I could not control is what has kept me clean and sober for decades.

If I smoked weed today, I already know I'd be coaching my kids softball games high, driving high, lying and planning my next drink...lol
 
Legalized weed for everyone just as robots and ai are about to take a swath of jobs away forever.
If every family has one or two employed people making enough to house, feed and buy weed for the unemployed, we just may stave off the revolution.
 
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This is a great expose' on how personalities differ. As you well know I live with a great regret over a poor decision I made. Fortunately my obsessive and compulsive personality allows me to suppress that regret by replacing it with being the best person and father I can be everyday. I thank God the same character flaw that I could not control is what has kept me clean and sober for decades.

If I smoked weed today, I already know I'd be coaching my kids softball games high, driving high, lying and planning my next drink...lol

I can see that if you have an addictive personality, but for the average person its no different than having a drink or two after work. I find it much more enjoyable to have 1 hit on a pipe in the evening than having a drink. I also find myself more active afterwards and as 1984 says, more loving, more aware, etc. I also sleep like a baby every night. There is never a hangover or any of the other negatives that come with drinking.
 
This is a great expose' on how personalities differ. As you well know I live with a great regret over a poor decision I made. Fortunately my obsessive and compulsive personality allows me to suppress that regret by replacing it with being the best person and father I can be everyday. I thank God the same character flaw that I could not control is what has kept me clean and sober for decades.

If I smoked weed today, I already know I'd be coaching my kids softball games high, driving high, lying and planning my next drink...lol

I actually don't know (nor is it ANY of my business) what you mean in the first paragraph but I am certainly glad for you whatever that was about. But you're right...people are certainly different and I try my best not to judge. Smoking a bit actually helps me put the drink down. you're right! How boring would it be if we were all the same LOL.
 
Smoked a ton of weed in hs and college with a ton of people. One is still smoking every, single day but if he wasn't on weed, he'd be on something else. Just a manic, nutty dude.

The other 50 have moved on, will light up occasionally when there's a window of opportunity in their busy lives. I'm all for legalization. It's a drug that makes you happier, more empathetic, more compassionate, more curious and nicer to be around. Way less destructive than alcohol or any of the other more destructive drugs.
 
and see. it had the exact opposite effect on me. I'd look in the mirror and get motivated to improve my health. I used to get stoned and then go run and lift. I swear I could feel every muscle in my body working and it motivated me. Then I'd go play my drums and just play at a level above being straight. I'd pickup beats I'd never hear otherwise. I'd think more,I listen more, hug more, love better, be so much more sensitive to other people...I'm Type A and it made me more like Type A-. oh, and I do the one thing more that everybody in my family wants me to do more. Smile and laugh.

I smoked A TON back in the days at RU and yes. It did effect my studies a bit. But you know what? it also opened up my mind and I have been very successful in my career. I've had some cig's here and there and other things but never got addicted (but yeah..that is me).

I look forward to the day where I can have a little here and there without the anxiety that comes with a) getting busted by the law and b) failing a drug test at work and losing my job and c) stop lying to my (young adult) kids about it.
Bingo!!
 
" is a no brainer"..yup that's what chronic pot smoking leads to!!!

Lol. I was a casual user back in the day. I haven't gotten high in over 30 years. However, I'm not adverse to having an occasional toke if it becomes legalized.
 
If legalized, I still think a robust black market will continue to proliferate.

Why pay 2, 3 times the price when Bobby down the block can get it for you at the usual rate?
 
I can see that if you have an addictive personality, but for the average person its no different than having a drink or two after work. I find it much more enjoyable to have 1 hit on a pipe in the evening than having a drink. I also find myself more active afterwards and as 1984 says, more loving, more aware, etc. I also sleep like a baby every night. There is never a hangover or any of the other negatives that come with drinking.
100% agree.
There is that Russian Roullette factor for personalities like mine. All I'm saying is if you see it in your kids, or you're young and see it in yourself...beware.
 
If legalized, I still think a robust black market will continue to proliferate.

Why pay 2, 3 times the price when Bobby down the block can get it for you at the usual rate?

That's sort of funny but plausible. Bobby down the block won't charge you NJ sales tax. It's like buying untaxed cigarettes from the Carolinas back in the day.
 
and see. it had the exact opposite effect on me. I'd look in the mirror and get motivated to improve my health. I used to get stoned and then go run and lift. I swear I could feel every muscle in my body working and it motivated me. Then I'd go play my drums and just play at a level above being straight. I'd pickup beats I'd never hear otherwise. I'd think more,I listen more, hug more, love better, be so much more sensitive to other people...I'm Type A and it made me more like Type A-. oh, and I do the one thing more that everybody in my family wants me to do more. Smile and laugh.

I smoked A TON back in the days at RU and yes. It did effect my studies a bit. But you know what? it also opened up my mind and I have been very successful in my career. I've had some cig's here and there and other things but never got addicted (but yeah..that is me).

I look forward to the day where I can have a little here and there without the anxiety that comes with a) getting busted by the law and b) failing a drug test at work and losing my job and c) stop lying to my (young adult) kids about it.

Absolutely great post. Wish I had said that.
 
There's absolutely nothing physically addictive about weed. People get addicted to playing Monopoly, eating, jogging, working out etc... This type of addiction to weed is possible. Physically addicted is absolutely not true. Not sure what you don't understand.

Have you seen tobacco smokers, coke heads, heroin addicts? Those people are physically addicted.
It's so sad how you are so obsessed with defending your weed, a doctor on this board who prescribes medical marijuana posted in this thread it is addictive for some people, you don't know more than him, you lost the argument sorry
 
and see. it had the exact opposite effect on me. I'd look in the mirror and get motivated to improve my health. I used to get stoned and then go run and lift. I swear I could feel every muscle in my body working and it motivated me. Then I'd go play my drums and just play at a level above being straight. I'd pickup beats I'd never hear otherwise. I'd think more,I listen more, hug more, love better, be so much more sensitive to other people...I'm Type A and it made me more like Type A-. oh, and I do the one thing more that everybody in my family wants me to do more. Smile and laugh.

I smoked A TON back in the days at RU and yes. It did effect my studies a bit. But you know what? it also opened up my mind and I have been very successful in my career. I've had some cig's here and there and other things but never got addicted (but yeah..that is me).

I look forward to the day where I can have a little here and there without the anxiety that comes with a) getting busted by the law and b) failing a drug test at work and losing my job and c) stop lying to my (young adult) kids about it.
That's great for you and I said it should be legal but doesn't mean it's not addictive for many users
 
and see. it had the exact opposite effect on me. I'd look in the mirror and get motivated to improve my health. I used to get stoned and then go run and lift. I swear I could feel every muscle in my body working and it motivated me. Then I'd go play my drums and just play at a level above being straight. I'd pickup beats I'd never hear otherwise. I'd think more,I listen more, hug more, love better, be so much more sensitive to other people...I'm Type A and it made me more like Type A-. oh, and I do the one thing more that everybody in my family wants me to do more. Smile and laugh.

I smoked A TON back in the days at RU and yes. It did effect my studies a bit. But you know what? it also opened up my mind and I have been very successful in my career. I've had some cig's here and there and other things but never got addicted (but yeah..that is me).

I look forward to the day where I can have a little here and there without the anxiety that comes with a) getting busted by the law and b) failing a drug test at work and losing my job and c) stop lying to my (young adult) kids about it.
That's great for you and I said it should be legal but doesn't mean it's not addictive for many users
I can see that if you have an addictive personality, but for the average person its no different than having a drink or two after work. I find it much more enjoyable to have 1 hit on a pipe in the evening than having a drink. I also find myself more active afterwards and as 1984 says, more loving, more aware, etc. I also sleep like a baby every night. There is never a hangover or any of the other negatives that come with drinking.
so Are u trying to say alcohol isn't addicting ?
 
If legalized, I still think a robust black market will continue to proliferate.

Why pay 2, 3 times the price when Bobby down the block can get it for you at the usual rate?

You can now get an ounce of top shelf, cured flower in Denver for $240 (this is the price for out-of-staters recreational, with tax). I doubt Bobby can come close. The reason is that Colorado dispensaries have set up their own huge indoors industrial grow operations, churning out more product than they can use. They turn most of it into concentrate these days.
 
You can now get an ounce of top shelf, cured flower in Denver for $240 (this is the price for out-of-staters recreational, with tax). I doubt Bobby can come close. The reason is that Colorado dispensaries have set up their own huge indoors industrial grow operations, churning out more product than they can use. They turn most of it into concentrate these days.
If there's anything a lifetime of residency has taught me, it's that few come close to Jersey when it comes to taxing stuff...
 
You can now get an ounce of top shelf, cured flower in Denver for $240 (this is the price for out-of-staters recreational, with tax). I doubt Bobby can come close. The reason is that Colorado dispensaries have set up their own huge indoors industrial grow operations, churning out more product than they can use. They turn most of it into concentrate these days.

That's pretty good. It was $550 an ounce for completely seedless, stemless quality herb here in NJ the last time I checked.
 
You can now get an ounce of top shelf, cured flower in Denver for $240 (this is the price for out-of-staters recreational, with tax). I doubt Bobby can come close. The reason is that Colorado dispensaries have set up their own huge indoors industrial grow operations, churning out more product than they can use. They turn most of it into concentrate these days.

tease...:eyes:
 
That's great for you and I said it should be legal but doesn't mean it's not addictive for many users
and did I say it wasn't?

what is your definition of MANY? 100,000 people sounds like a lot, but not if it is 5% of users (2,000,000) or 1% (10,000,000).

What % of users do you think get addicted? Just wondering...
 
Checkmate ?

It's a great citation. I wasn't asking to be a dick, I was honestly curious.

I don't necessarily agree with the scope of the decision. The commerce clause is applicable to interstate commerce. It seems, to me, to be a stretch to apply it to a specific state law that by definition does not impact interstate commerce.
 
It's a great citation. I wasn't asking to be a dick, I was honestly curious.

I don't necessarily agree with the scope of the decision. The commerce clause is applicable to interstate commerce. It seems, to me, to be a stretch to apply it to a specific state law that by definition does not impact interstate commerce.

I agree. I was curious as well. And grateful for the info provided by brg.
 
By that logic, the government doesn't have the ability to regulate pharmaceutical drugs either. You can't find that in the constitution either. By that logic, the federal government doesn't have the ability to regulate healthcare (i.e. Obamacare). By that logic, the government doesn't have the ability to regulate gun sales (i.e. no background checks). None of that is in the constitution, but it's done anyway. Again, as I said before, it you are going by what is strictly in the constitution, the federal government doesn't have the power to regulate civil rights either. (Again, going by your standard that is has to be specifically in the constitution.)

If you are going to claim that the federal government doesn't have the power to regulate weed, then you have to agree that the federal government doesn't have the power to regulate the things I've named, plus a lot of other stuff. You have to be consistent. You can't just changed the rules based on what you want.

The Constitution specifically gives Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce. An awful lot affects interstate commerce, including the transport of marijuana. Supreme Court precedent suggests that Congress can even regulate a substance that doesn't cross state lines. I have little doubt that Congress can use its constitutional powers to regulate marijuana, and indeed the Supreme Court has said this.

OTOH, I should point out that the majority of the Supreme Court thought that the individual mandate of Obamacare was not valid regulation of interstate commerce, but Justice Roberts wrote the key opinion saying that the individual mandate amounted to taxation -- and the federal government has broad powers to tax.

When it comes to economic or health/safety/environmental regulation, you are best off assuming that Congress can do it.
 
It's a great citation. I wasn't asking to be a dick, I was honestly curious.

I don't necessarily agree with the scope of the decision. The commerce clause is applicable to interstate commerce. It seems, to me, to be a stretch to apply it to a specific state law that by definition does not impact interstate commerce.

The Federal government can pre-empt the states on matters within Congress's constitutional power, and, as I suggest in the post above, Congress can validly regulate marijuana.
 
It's so sad how you are so obsessed with defending your weed, a doctor on this board who prescribes medical marijuana posted in this thread it is addictive for some people, you don't know more than him, you lost the argument sorry

9% of adult users became psychologically addicted to a pretty harmless drug. Those are usually the same morons that will get addicted to anything because of their addictive personalities. A former surgeon general is quoted as saying there is no physical addiction to it. Not sure what part your missing but who cares. we will agree to disagree
 
9% of adult users became psychologically addicted to a pretty harmless drug. Those are usually the same morons that will get addicted to anything because of their addictive personalities. A former surgeon general is quoted as saying there is no physical addiction to it. Not sure what part your missing but who cares. we will agree to disagree
To be fair, super-intelligent people are probably just as prone to having addictive personalities as dumb people, maybe more so. I'm not sure intelligence is a factor in addictive tendency.

But yeah, the evidence suggests it's not physically addictive and while psychological addiction is nothing to scoff at, it's still obviously easier to rid oneself of just psychological addition (pot) than psychological addiction combined with physical addiction (heroin).
 
9% of adult users became psychologically addicted to a pretty harmless drug. Those are usually the same morons that will get addicted to anything because of their addictive personalities. A former surgeon general is quoted as saying there is no physical addiction to it. Not sure what part your missing but who cares. we will agree to disagree
Nice, you had to call me a moron.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::D
 
and did I say it wasn't?

what is your definition of MANY? 100,000 people sounds like a lot, but not if it is 5% of users (2,000,000) or 1% (10,000,000).

What % of users do you think get addicted? Just wondering...
according to doctors 9 percent of people who have tried it, and 25-50 percent of daily users
 
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