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OT: Legalization of Marijuana in NJ

No real time to read new additions to this thread but I was watching the CBS Morning News and there was a preview segment with a doctor as.

60 MINUTES (7PM SUNDAY CHANNEL 2) IS COVERING THE LEGALIZATON OF POT AND THE BALLOT ISSUE (5 STATES) ON SUNDAY. TWO MAJOR POINTS THE PHYSICIAN WANTED TO MAKE:

1) UNLIKE ALCOHOL THAT IS INGESTED AND "DOES" ITS THING" AND EXITS THE BODY CANNIBUS STAYS IN THE SYSTEM. IT IS STORED IN THE BRAIN AND FAT TISSUE-EVEN WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND IT IN THE BLOOD ANYMORE.

2) CANNIBUS IS 4 TIMES STRONGER THAN IN THE 1980'S.
 
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Not so sure how it applies here but one interesting story I heard while attending UNC's School of Public Health regarded chew tobacco (zappaa take note for acquaintances?) was a tobacco farmer who used to chew and left his "unfinished chew" behind his ear. He developed a tumor RIGHT ON the same spot!
 
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lne001 said:
Isn't America great. All the above means is that you only need to smoke 25% as much as before to reach your desired level of medication. You can't overdose on cannabis, as opposed to heroin, alcohol and water.
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I doubt that's true, anything ingested in massive extremes will harm you. Asa matter of fact I believe (so I'm not 100% certain) but I believe I read were someone died due to a bad reaction from ingesting THC brownies.
 
After reading all of the pros and cons, I'd like to add my 2 cents. 1/ It is a gateway drug if being sold by drug dealers. I've yet to have anyone offer me LSD, cocaine, or heroin at any of the pot stores here in Washington. 2/ Just treat it like alcohol, our other legal drug. Don't drive under the influence, discourage your kids from using it, and tax/regulate it the same. I'd also like to mention one issue that has not been discussed, the horrible odor of outdoor grows. Could be a big problem in a state as densely populated as NJ. Imagine entire neighborhoods smelling like skunk.
 
zappaa said:
I doubt that's true, anything ingested in massive extremes will harm you. Asa matter of fact I believe (so I'm not 100% certain) but I believe I read were someone died due to a bad reaction from ingesting THC brownies.
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Actually cannabis, since it only affects higher brain functions, can not cause an overdose nor death from a 'bad reaction'. Unbiased research consistently supports this conclusion. There are certainly negatives in usage, but these two are not included. Cannabis has been in use by humans for several thousands of years, and its use is well documented in the bible.
 
camdenlawprof said:
The Constitution specifically gives Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce. An awful lot affects interstate commerce, including the transport of marijuana. Supreme Court precedent suggests that Congress can even regulate a substance that doesn't cross state lines. I have little doubt that Congress can use its constitutional powers to regulate marijuana, and indeed the Supreme Court has said this.

OTOH, I should point out that the majority of the Supreme Court thought that the individual mandate of Obamacare was not valid regulation of interstate commerce, but Justice Roberts wrote the key opinion saying that the individual mandate amounted to taxation -- and the federal government has broad powers to tax.

When it comes to economic or health/safety/environmental regulation, you are best off assuming that Congress can do it.
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Getting lost in this is my larger point. The thing pro-legalization people have to realize is that the way they are going about this is actually counterproductive to their cause. When you keep changing the rules to get whatever you want, you are going to alienate many people, even if they are sympathetic to your cause. Many of the same people making this argument would have no problem if Congress, or the President, used Federal power to preempt state laws on, say, transgender bathroom use restrictions. So my issue is not really on the scope of powers, but instead on how people want to change the rules whenever it's convenient for them.
 
lne001 said:
Actually cannabis, since it only affects higher brain functions, can not cause an overdose nor death from a 'bad reaction'. Unbiased research consistently supports this conclusion. There are certainly negatives in usage, but these two are not included. Cannabis has been in use by humans for several thousands of years, and its use is well documented in the bible.
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Where exactly in the Bible?
 
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topdecktiger said:
Getting lost in this is my larger point. The thing pro-legalization people have to realize is that the way they are going about this is actually counterproductive to their cause. When you keep changing the rules to get whatever you want, you are going to alienate many people, even if they are sympathetic to your cause. Many of the same people making this argument would have no problem if Congress, or the President, used Federal power to preempt state laws on, say, transgender bathroom use restrictions. So my issue is not really on the scope of powers, but instead on how people want to change the rules whenever it's convenient for them.
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I don't understand; who's changed the rules, and what's wrong with that? The whole point of having a representative democracy is that laws can change over time.
 
SleepingGiantIsAwake said:
Where exactly in the Bible?
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I actually worked with a guy years ago who had previously belonged to what was a white Rasta cult in Jamaica, led by a guy named Brother Love. I think 60 minutes did a piece on this group back in the day.
Anyway, the guy I knew could cite chapter and verse from the Bible where partaking of herbs was encouraged....or something like that. I wasn't really listening. I just wanted him to stop talking and pass the damn joint.
 
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zappaa said:
Nice, you had to call me a moron.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::D
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Never Paisan!

Marijuana is enjoyable and vaping it makes it safer than smoking it directly. If you can do it in moderation than its a great, relaxing thing.

Had friends that smoked 3 times a day and when it was time to quit, they quit. Had friends who did coke and alcohol with some becoming addicts and ruining their lives.

Never had a fist fight or issues with friends who smoked weed. Had many fist fights and issues with people drinking and doing blow and pills.
 
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topdecktiger said:
By that logic, the government doesn't have the ability to regulate pharmaceutical drugs either. You can't find that in the constitution either. By that logic, the federal government doesn't have the ability to regulate healthcare (i.e. Obamacare). By that logic, the government doesn't have the ability to regulate gun sales (i.e. no background checks). None of that is in the constitution, but it's done anyway. Again, as I said before, it you are going by what is strictly in the constitution, the federal government doesn't have the power to regulate civil rights either. (Again, going by your standard that is has to be specifically in the constitution.)

If you are going to claim that the federal government doesn't have the power to regulate weed, then you have to agree that the federal government doesn't have the power to regulate the things I've named, plus a lot of other stuff. You have to be consistent. You can't just changed the rules based on what you want.
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I agree with all that you just listed and this should be an eye opener to show just how much our federal government has its hands in that the writers of our constitution never intended.
 
AshSaturday said:
No real time to read new additions to this thread but I was watching the CBS Morning News and there was a preview segment with a doctor as.

60 MINUTES (7PM SUNDAY CHANNEL 2) IS COVERING THE LEGALIZATON OF POT AND THE BALLOT ISSUE (5 STATES) ON SUNDAY. TWO MAJOR POINTS THE PHYSICIAN WANTED TO MAKE:

1) UNLIKE ALCOHOL THAT IS INGESTED AND "DOES" ITS THING" AND EXITS THE BODY CANNIBUS STAYS IN THE SYSTEM. IT IS STORED IN THE BRAIN AND FAT TISSUE-EVEN WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND IT IN THE BLOOD ANYMORE.

2) CANNIBUS IS 4 TIMES STRONGER THAN IN THE 1980'S.
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Which is why 1 hit does the job!
 
AshSaturday said:
No real time to read new additions to this thread but I was watching the CBS Morning News and there was a preview segment with a doctor as.

60 MINUTES (7PM SUNDAY CHANNEL 2) IS COVERING THE LEGALIZATON OF POT AND THE BALLOT ISSUE (5 STATES) ON SUNDAY. TWO MAJOR POINTS THE PHYSICIAN WANTED TO MAKE:

1) UNLIKE ALCOHOL THAT IS INGESTED AND "DOES" ITS THING" AND EXITS THE BODY CANNIBUS STAYS IN THE SYSTEM. IT IS STORED IN THE BRAIN AND FAT TISSUE-EVEN WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND IT IN THE BLOOD ANYMORE.

2) CANNIBUS IS 4 TIMES STRONGER THAN IN THE 1980'S.
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Yes. It stays in your system an average of 30 days. Is it bad that it is stored in your fat cells for weeks? Is it bad for your health? Did anyone talk about the health benefits of the cannaboids in weed? And who cares if pot is 4 times stronger now. You just use less. It's no fun getting too high!
 
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SleepingGiantIsAwake said:
Where exactly in the Bible?
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Old testament description of religious rituals. The high priests on high holy days filled the inside of their innermost tent with smoke from a special herb in order to commune with god. They also used a special ointment with similar properties. The Jews had been using hemp and cannabis for thousands of years as a source of weaving fiber and whatever.
 
Piscataway said:
I agree with all that you just listed and this should be an eye opener to show just how much our federal government has its hands in that the writers of our constitution never intended.
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And that's fine, but the problem is people can't have it both ways. As I said before, many who support drug legalization have no problem with the federal government overreaching in these other areas. They can't just cherrypick this one instance because they want their pot legalized.
 
formerlyknownasrutgers100 said:
according to doctors 9 percent of people who have tried it, and 25-50 percent of daily users
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that's total bull crap. not that you are incorrectly repeating what you read but the stat itself. the fact that the range quoted could be between 25-50 in itself is so huge that it has no credibility. Pulling it out of their a$$es.
 
newwavedave1 said:
, the horrible odor of outdoor grows. Could be a big problem in a state as densely populated as NJ. Imagine entire neighborhoods smelling like skunk.
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LOL...that sound like most of NJ along the NJ turnpike from exit 12 to exit 14...and my neck of the woods in western NJ where they already dump human poop on the fields to fertilize .
 
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that's total bull crap. not that you are incorrectly repeating what you read but the stat itself. the fact that the range quoted could be between 25-50 in itself is so huge that it has no credibility. Pulling it out of their a$$es.
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Doesn't seem like bullcrap That between 25 and 50 percent of ppl who smoke EVERYDAY are addicted to it, burning everyday is not normal
 
formerlyknownasrutgers100 said:
Doesn't seem like bullcrap That between 25 and 50 percent of ppl who smoke EVERYDAY are addicted to it, burning everyday is not normal
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the range in that stat is statistically bullcrap. anything that has a range that could be that wide has zero credibility. just somebody throwing out some numbers..a guess. Not a statistical fact.
 
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mildone said:
Ooh, I like that. Is like saying that while two wrongs don't make a right, three lefts do.
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Camden, not sure if you R pointing at me but my comment re the tobacco was because many in Zappaas former profession chew tobacco (linked to oral cancer and else if you saw my comment) and spit it out around others. Moreover, putting tobacco on the ear and a tumor develops there...WOW!

Zappaa has "admitted" his "sins" here-As far as I'm concerned his (or anyone's past) is their own problem and assuming talent he has to live with his "demons". I can't believe some of the hurtful things some have said. Given the bloodline on one hand I assume he has lived a good and probably at times a privileged life. On the other hand, in my 53 years I have personally known friends who could have been great pro athletes but sc*ewed around with drugs, women yada (I went to school with a guy who had the world record for his age in the pole vault but though he was Rod Stewart. I have seen several instance where mom and dad made much money but seemingly weren't home or around to be good parents and the kids wind up sc*ewed up. Not suggestion that happened "here".
 
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."

"In 1969 I gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life."

George Best - Manchester United
 
mdk01 said:
Are you sure about that? On the other side of the Hudson is a city of 8+ million where possession and sale is still illegal. Drive down I-95 and on the other side of the Delaware there is a city of what, 2.5 million, where sale and possession is still illegal. I think you're setting up a situation you would be awash in smuggling rings and all their attendant violence. Colorado doesn't face that issue to anywhere near the same degree.
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Are you sure about that?
Oklahoma and Nebraska compared Colorado to a drug cartel on Wednesday and again urged the Supreme Court to let them sue their neighbor over its marijuana production and distribution system.
 
AshSaturday said:
Camden, not sure if you R pointing at me but my comment re the tobacco was because many in Zappaas former profession chew tobacco (linked to oral cancer and else if you saw my comment) and spit it out around others. Moreover, putting tobacco on the ear and a tumor develops there...WOW!

Zappaa has "admitted" his "sins" here-As far as I'm concerned his (or anyone's past) is their own problem and assuming talent he has to live with his "demons". I can't believe some of the hurtful things some have said. Given the bloodline on one hand I assume he has lived a good and probably at times a privileged life. On the other hand, in my 53 years I have personally known friends who could have been great pro athletes but sc*ewed around with drugs, women yada (I went to school with a guy who had the world record for his age in the pole vault but though he was Rod Stewart. I have seen several instance where mom and dad made much money but seemingly weren't home or around to be good parents and the kids wind up sc*ewed up. Not suggestion that happened "here".
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I don't know if I was pointing at you either. I just objected to a fellow poster being called a moron.
 
lne001 said:
Old testament description of religious rituals. The high priests on high holy days filled the inside of their innermost tent with smoke from a special herb in order to commune with god. They also used a special ointment with similar properties. The Jews had been using hemp and cannabis for thousands of years as a source of weaving fiber and whatever.
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Just because Jews used hemp and cannabis as a source of weaving does not mean that the smoke from a special herb was from either hemp or cannabis. Could have been frankincense or myrrh for all we know.
 
j_rc_93 said:
Just because Jews used hemp and cannabis as a source of weaving does not mean that the smoke from a special herb was from either hemp or cannabis. Could have been frankincense or myrrh for all we know.
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Not that I really care about this one way or the other, but I'm not aware that frankincense and myrrh have any ability to produce psychological affects on the brain. Is it so hard to imagine ancient humans using cannabis; hell we drink fermented fruit juice, lick Amazonian toads, gobble down mushrooms, etc.
 
Good news: I saw a poll today that showed Californians passing the measure to legalize by a comfortable margin.
New Jersey 2017 ????
 
Kbee3 said:
Good news: I saw a poll today that showed Californians passing the measure to legalize by a comfortable margin.
New Jersey 2017 ????
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I hope so. Ridiculous law created to put people in jail and collect fines. Users will have a better quality of life not worried about being busted for doing something that makes you feel good and is relatively harmless.
 
Talked to a guy during work from CO. Said they made money early on and they had an influx of outer staters but their health costs went up.
 
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