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Pudge, not Vlad.Bagwell, Raines, and Vlad got in, ESPN announced.
If you believe Canseco, then I guess yes.So is Pudge the first steroid user to get in?
Nope. People just said that because he had a good build, he had to be doing steroids.Isnt bagwell a steroid guy
Thought he should have been a no-brainer.Vlad G not in is a joke.
GO RU
Raines batting left handed was an extremely difficult out to get.Glad Raines got in.
Personally I feel like Clemens and Bonds deserve to be in, so I don't have a problem with Bagwell or Pudge getting in.
Wasn't Raines the guy who said that he hadn't slid one year to avoid damage to the cocaine in his back pocket?
I'll agree with that.I'm surprised Hoffman received so many votes. Billy Wagner was a significantly better closer when you look at every category except saves. I don't understand how he's polling so far ahead of Wagner.
Although I agree with the three who won election, the HoF voting rationalizations seems to get worse every year.
I played with him and against him for years, he doesn't have HOF power numbers and was not a good fielder.Al Oliver was a 7 time All Star and batted over 300 11 times in his career. Career average .303. One of the most feared hitters of the 1970s. Yet not in the Hall.
Really good not really great.Question: why do you need power (hr) numbers to be a hall of famer? Hitting .300 11 times? Agree that injuries reduced his fielding in later years....but many many Hall of Famers were bad (average or even below average) fielders. Look at Reggie Jackson as a fielder! Guys like Carew, Boggs hit for average--not power. Oliver hit in similar fashion--he sprayed the field--a real gap hitter. Can't see guys like Raines, Bagwell etc and not Oliver. Oliver was one of the best hitters--a great--hitter--in his day. He lacked the charisma--for lack of a better term--of other players. But that should not keep him out of the Hall. Just my two cents....
Question: why do you need power (hr) numbers to be a hall of famer? Hitting .300 11 times? Agree that injuries reduced his fielding in later years....but many many Hall of Famers were bad (average or even below average) fielders. Look at Reggie Jackson as a fielder! Guys like Carew, Boggs hit for average--not power. Oliver hit in similar fashion--he sprayed the field--a real gap hitter. Can't see guys like Raines, Bagwell etc and not Oliver. Oliver was one of the best hitters--a great--hitter--in his day. He lacked the charisma--for lack of a better term--of other players. But that should not keep him out of the Hall. Just my two cents....
I'll agree with that.
Hasn't the baseball card market essentially collapsed? What can his cards be worth, a few $?I have so many Bagwell rookie cards it's crazy. I should pill the trigger now, they'll never be worth more.
Although I agree with the three who won election, the HOF voting rationalizations seem to get worse every year.
I'll agree with that.
I was only agreeing with the bolded above my post. Was making no comment on the selections.Totally, totally 100% disagree!!!!
Hoffman is a no brainer (obviously I'm biased). You have to take into account that Hoffman pitched for some horrible teams. As a result his save opportunities were considerably lower than someone like Rivera or Wagner.
In addition Hoffman had nearly 180 more career saves than Wagner. Don't get me wrong, Wagner was a very good pitcher, but if you say that he is much better than Hoffman you obviously didn't see Hoffman pitch enough.
None of the 3 belong in the Hall. All were very good. None were great. The Hall should be for the greats--not the very good.