OT: NBA draft
- Thread starter darkcheck
- Start date
Sixers already have Paul George and Tyrese maxey/ jarred McCain....sixers don't need anymore young players, the guys right...they need embid to stay healthy and some tough hard nose ⏸️ veterans
For some reason you are very concerned with what other people think. It’s a lot posts for you. I love Ace but I would take VJ Edgecombe at 3 and Ace at 4. That is a nothing burger to me.
Last edited:
This guy is saying the Sixers shouldn't take anyone that high and should trade out, not sure it's a dig.
Do people really care about what I say? Who cares about what random guy from yahoo sports says!
And who is this guy? If a front office person is saying this, then that's has more meaning.
Yeah, not an indictment of Ace at all. Joel missed 3/4 season. McCain 3/4. George 1/3. Maxey 1/3. And the window with George and Imbiid is rapidly closing (if it hasn’t already).
"Trust the process" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Charles Oakley incident at MSG was the final straw for me with Dolan and I abandoned the Knicks and started rooting for the 76ers. It’s really working out great…
Zzzzzzzz
To the extent it’s a dig it is more at Bailey than at Rutgers.
But more importantly, zzzzzzz
He’s also the best athlete in the draft by far and very productive. I would take his upside.
I don’t see it as a dig at Rutgers. All that was said is that he didn’t help Rutgers. If anything, a slight dig at Ace as it relates to his one year at the collegiate level. But it doesn’t mean much in relation to his future potential.
Last edited:
It’s interesting reading the scouting reports on Ace (and Dylan), especially the criticisms. Just insightful to see what scouts are looking at.
I don’t know about that, Philly is still in a win now mode (whether they should be is a different question), and will value someone more who can help them right away, not down the road.
They have 4 stars in Embiid, Maxey, McCain and George. George (35) is well into his descent and Embiid (31) is starting or well into his. They’re on in the lottery because all 4 missed a ton of time this season. Bailey is still a few years away from being the player he could be - he’ll still be 18 when he’s drafted.
If I’m the Sixers, I’m figuring out a way to package that pick (and Embiid) for what could be the Giannis sweepstakes since it looks like with the Dame injury, Milwaukee’s window has closed and needs to go to rebuild mode.
Why do people think Ace is a project? I am not a NBA guy, but I would think he is ready to help a team right now. What makes the other potential picks more NBA ready than Ace?
People who have an agenda to push will search for anything negative to post that backs their thinking
19 year old rarely come in and dominate. He needs to get bigger and stronger. From what I’ve read, he need to improve his help defense, understanding of schemes, shot selection, passing/playmaking, his ability to drive and ball control. Suggest that his long jumpers were more the result of not being able to get to the hoop. In short, he won’t be able to rely on being a better shooter, better athlete and a having better jumping ability than everyone else at the next level.
What agenda? He’s 18 with out of this world potential with plenty to work on - like nearly ever prospect. I can think of maybe 3 guys in the last 35 years (Shaq, LeBron, Wemby) who were expected to be elite in year 1 and only LeBron was 18 when he was drafted. Flagg may be the 4th. Maybe.
The post was about the Sixers drafting him - which makes little sense since they’re in a championship window and only have a lottery pick because their 4 stars were out for most of the season.
He isn’t a project any more than any other top draft pick, but he is only 19 and needs a couple years to develop and learn to make the right decisions. Look at Cade Cunningham on the Pistons, he is in year 3 and has been playing at a high level this year, but he is still not playing championship basketball and his decision making still needs to improve. Ace is great for most lottery teams because they are pretty lousy and can play him a lot and teach him to be potentially a number one option on offense. That isn’t going to happen on a team that believes, however mistakenly, that they are in the hunt to compete for a championship. This is the reason guys like Jeff Green have 18 year careers in the NBA, they know their role, never make mistakes, and are capable of making a big play in pressure packed situations.
He can help.
You're correct.
I would phrase it as: he is slightly further from his 100% ceiling than someone like Harper is to his relative ceiling.
But it's all Philly specific regarding "fit".
I'll do a poor job of using numbers to explain it.
Minimum to contribute in the NBA is a level 65.
Ace and Dylan are both over that today.
Ace is currently a 70 but would be a 95 in 5 years.
Dylan is currently a 75 but may only max out at 85.
The commentary is that a team like Philly doesn't have a 5-10 year plan (because of Embiid and his huge contract extension).
So they don't really need a other 70 (or even 75 Dylan).
They need an 83 today - even if that player is only on the team and at that level for 2-3 years.
A team like the Nets has a 5 year plan.
They jump at Ace or Dylan (or Edgecombe) and don't look back.
Ace needs to improve his ball handling and decision making. I know you know he needs to improve his shot selection, he has the ultimate green light at Rutgers but he's going to have to reel that shot selection in. I'd say his second year is when Ace really starts taking off at the next level.
The way i see it.....we know I am not a NBA expert.....he is a shot taker and maker. He is long and gets shots up quickly and makes them. This will happen Day 1.
They can all help the bad teams that are likely going to draft them. They are not ready to help the best teams who can’t carry rotation players who are going to make mistakes and bad decisions.
so who in the draft is ready to help one of the better teams more than Ace? Like November 1, 2025
Good teams are generally picking at the bottom of the draft, and are more focused on adding veteran players to fill holes. 19 and 20 year old players don’t win championships. Teams that are bad want to develop their draft picks, hopefully into stars, and then add through free agents and trades. Oklahoma and Minnesota were both awful a few years ago and are now positioned to compete for a championship. Detroit and Houston were both terrible and now have very bright futures. All of these teams built through the draft over several years, and then were able to add good players to move into the playoffs.
Just one other data point from last year’s draft. Of the top 5 picks, the 3 guys who were drafted by teams that didn’t make the playoffs played between 24 and 27 minutes a game (which is historically quite low, but it was considered a very poor draft). The two guys drafted by playoff teams, Reed Sheppard and Ron Holland, played 12.6 and 15.6 minutes a game, respectively. Veteran coaches just aren’t going to let young players play through their mistakes when the games are meaningful. They want to play stars who can win the game for them and veteran role players who won’t lose the game for them.
For example, Houston is a lot better than they have been. They are in the playoffs for the first time in a while. They had the no. 3 pick last year. Reed Sheppard, real good offensive player but he barely saw the court for Houston. They sent him down to play in the g league but they had to bring him back up because he scored 58 or something like that in his first g league game. But he couldn't see the court in the regular season and I haven't seen him in these playoff games..
By all accounts, Flagg is ready to be a contributor on day 1. Did you read about his performance at the Team USA camp last summer as a 17 year old? That’s some crazy stuff.
His defense has also drawn rave reviews - which I think we can all agree has not been Dylan or Aces strong suit…but something that matters come playoff time.
Please you seem to relish in digs at the program...lol. You've taken several thousand of them alone the last few months. 😘
Go scratch. I love my alma mater and only want to see them succeed. I criticize what I don’t like, as any fan has the right to do, things that if done right would prevent digs like that. Some, like you, applaud mediocrity and deny last year was a royal embarrassment. Some have even alluded to the fact that’s it’s ok we sucked last year because the nba draft press will make up for that. Foolish.
Get used to being the doormat, it's what the fans have opted for. In a few years, no one will remember last season as they go winless in the B1G.
Similar threads
