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OT: New York Mets 2020-2021 Off Season Thread

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Was counting the seconds until you chimed in. :)
Happy to help.

You may rest assured that I'll be here to offer counsel anytime anyone brings up that OTHER Brodie trade - the one where we gave up Bruce, Swarzak, and a couple of minor leaguers. My message: Let it go! Look to the future!

I expect to be repeating that message for the next 15 years. 😉
 
For those who hadn't yet given up hope of re-signing Michael Wacha, bad news. He signed with Tampa Bay. One year, $3M.

The good news is that Rick Porcello is still out there.
 
For those who hadn't yet given up hope of re-signing Michael Wacha, bad news. He signed with Tampa Bay. One year, $3M.

The good news is that Rick Porcello is still out there.
how much did he get from the mets last year 10 million?
 
Porcello got 10 (prorated to games actually played). Wacha got much less IIRC.
I would have almost preferred to offer Porcello 5mil to come back rather than give it to Matz. At least he had a few games that he showed some of his old self.
 
Chris Flexen, who pitched in Korea last year, signs with Seattle. Two years, $4.75M guaranteed, plus incentives. Go figure.

So... for anyone planning to follow Seattle to keep tabs on former Met prospects, you now have a reason to do so. 😉
 
Very interesting Mets roundtable discussion:


Here is what I found most interesting. They were discussing a possible Lindor trade, and DiComo chimed in with this. (Emphasis added.)

DiComo: "I think the Mets are actually more comfortable with shortstop right now than they are with third base. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but when I asked Alderson about third base earlier this week, he responded with a heavy sigh and then immediately said that the Mets have a defensive deficiency there. That doesn't mean a Nolan Arenado trade is coming down the chute, but I do think they believe Arenado would be easier to acquire without giving up premium prospects. Plus, Giménez is the real deal."

Sure sounds like Davis won't be playing third. And if he isn't, is there a place for him on the roster?

The more I think about it, the more sense acquiring Arenado makes. I continue to believe that Cohen does not intend to go crazy in free agency. But that doesn't mean he'll be unwilling to "help out" a fellow owner who gave out a crazy contract. Colorado REALLY wants to unload Arenado's contract; they can't pay him and Story both. There are limited suitors. LA wants to get him to replace Turner, but Colorado doesn't want to trade him within the division. They flat-out publicly invited the Mets to get involved!

I think a package of Davis, a #10-15 prospect, and a #20+ prospect might do it. Depends on how much of Arenado's contract the Mets are willing to assume. Maybe they can stick Colorado with Cano's contract as part of the deal.
 
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Very interesting Mets roundtable discussion:


Here is what I found most interesting. They were discussing a possible Lindor trade, and DiComo chimed in with this. (Emphasis added.)

DiComo: "I think the Mets are actually more comfortable with shortstop right now than they are with third base. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but when I asked Alderson about third base earlier this week, he responded with a heavy sigh and then immediately said that the Mets have a defensive deficiency there. That doesn't mean a Nolan Arenado trade is coming down the chute, but I do think they believe Arenado would be easier to acquire without giving up premium prospects. Plus, Giménez is the real deal."

Sure sounds like Davis won't be playing third. And if he isn't, is there a place for him on the roster?

The more I think about it, the more sense acquiring Arenado makes. I continue to believe that Cohen does not intend to go crazy in free agency. But that doesn't mean he'll be unwilling to "help out" a fellow owner who gave out a crazy contract. Colorado REALLY wants to unload Arenado's contract; they can't pay him and Story both. There are limited suitors. LA wants to get him to replace Turner, but Colorado doesn't want to trade him within the division. They flat-out publicly invited the Mets to get involved!

I think a package of Davis, a #10-15 prospect, and a #20+ prospect might do it. Depends on how much of Arenado's contract the Mets are willing to assume. Maybe they can stick Colorado with Cano's contract as part of the deal.
I’d love Arenado on the Mets. I don’t think however that JD Davis and 2 mid prospects will seal the deal.
 
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I guess it depends on how motivated the seller is. Maybe we'll find out. Or maybe we won't.
I guess anything is possible but when Betts and Price were traded in a salary dump several years ago - Dodgers traded Verdugo - a top prospect. That's why I think a deal with Arenado would have to include a top prospect. Hope I'm wrong and maybe with reduced revenues due to COVID - the deal can be made similar to the proposal above: JD Davis and 2 mid prospects.
 
A name to remember - Tomoyuki Sugano, star Japanese pitcher who has posted for MLB entry. As the article states, this will move quickly one way or the other.
 
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I guess anything is possible but when Betts and Price were traded in a salary dump several years ago - Dodgers traded Verdugo - a top prospect. That's why I think a deal with Arenado would have to include a top prospect. Hope I'm wrong and maybe with reduced revenues due to COVID - the deal can be made similar to the proposal above: JD Davis and 2 mid prospects.
Betts and Price were a lesser salary dump than Arenado. Betts had 1 season, Price 3. Arenado has 6 more years to go.
 
All indications from insiders that George Springer to Mets is a done deal.

Merry Christmas!!
 
All indications from insiders that George Springer to Mets is a done deal.

Merry Christmas!!
Are your insiders behind a paywall? If so fine, but I have not seen anything to suggest done deal. I have seen that it was down to Mets and Blue Jays, with Mets the favorite.

But that is definitely "Tidings of comfort and joy!"
 
The Padres made a splash with the Snell and Darvish trades, but everyone else seems to be waiting on the market to reset. Every team, except the Mets, seems to be tight about spending money this off-season. I know teams want to make moves, but teams don't want to overpay or be stuck with a bad contract for years. IMO, this puts the Mets in a position to wait it out as teams make decisions, then the Mets can offer a little more without overpaying. It's a bad situation for players as they miss out on lost earnings. My question behind this is, does the present situation allow the Mets to be involved with more top-line players now?
 
The Mets are the 4th best NL East team right now.
Tough call
Going through the positions...
Offense: Braves/Mets at the top Phils steep drop to Wash and then Mia at the bottom. Pitching You have Braves, Mia, Phils, Mets, Wash- only figuring Starters and closer.
So, a fairly unbiased scale of each position and the SP/C puts the teams in the NL East at
Braves/Mets/Phil/Mia/Wash
Though- why doesnt it finish that way- because of Defense, Middle relief
That is what hurts the Met's at this point. Though, McCann and May have improved them quite a bit.

Outside of the Braves are clearly the top dog...the other 4 teams, who knows from one year to the next. Now, tell me the Mets get Springer and at least 1 good starter. I see them becoming a clear number 2 team in the NL east.
 
With the Padres getting Snell and Darvish, is it fair to say they’re probably out of the Bauer sweepstakes?

If so, Bauer sweepstakes may be a 2 horse race between Mets and Angels. Probably Blue Jays get involved as they seem to be interested in all free agents.
 
Bauer's ask of $36-$40 million a year for 5 years is insane so when he gets back to reality we'll see.
I just saw that too...Bauer had pitched 6 full seasons before this past season which consisted of 11 starts. He had 1 good year and 5 years of ERA's between 4.18-4.55
Cole/deGrom are going to make $36 mil

Bauer may end up sitting out there for a while. If the Met's were to drop $30+ on this guy, I would be pissed off. Maybe he does need a 1 year deal to prove he is worth it.

Looks like Springer is hoping for about $30 mil per year 5 years. I think that is to high but would prefer to spend it on him rather than Bauer. Go get the next level down pitching like Tananka or Odorizzi, Springer and then maybe go get DJ...If we went and did that- I would then consider moving someone like Davis for a couple of really good prospects...
 
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Mets sign Tony Tarasco as 1B coach. He is a former Met (60 games in 2002) who is probably best known for being the RF who was waiting to catch the fly ball that Jeffrey Maier got to first.
 
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You know, Cohen is swinging a big stick on Twitter, talking a big game, I still think he's going to deliver but I know many Mets fans will turn on him if he doesn't pull the trigger on something soon, coming in second on stud UFAs won't go over well. People are done with those days.
 
You know, Cohen is swinging a big stick on Twitter, talking a big game, I still think he's going to deliver but I know many Mets fans will turn on him if he doesn't pull the trigger on something soon, coming in second on stud UFAs won't go over well. People are done with those days.
Just like many Mets fans turned on him last February when he decided he didn't want to overpay for the team and wait five years to run it. He knew what he was doing then, and I suspect he still does now.
 
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Just like many Mets fans turned on him last February when he decided he didn't want to overpay for the team and wait five years to run it. He knew what he was doing then, and I suspect he still does now.
Did you miss the part where I said I think he will deliver? I'm just giving you Gospel, fans overreact and if we don't get Stringer and he wasn't outrageous in his demands, the natives will get restless.
 
Just like many Mets fans turned on him last February when he decided he didn't want to overpay for the team and wait five years to run it. He knew what he was doing then, and I suspect he still does now.
And with Alderson at the helm, he is not going to be overpaying for talent. Just not Sandy's style. Bauer is not a 36mil a year pitcher. Springer is not worth 30 mil a year either. I want to win and am willing to spend money to do so but those asks are insane.
 
And with Alderson at the helm, he is not going to be overpaying for talent. Just not Sandy's style. Bauer is not a 36mil a year pitcher. Springer is not worth 30 mil a year either. I want to win and am willing to spend money to do so but those asks are insane.
Bauer will get more but he should only deserve a Wheeler type contract. Springer- maybe 4/110m or 5/135... much more and you really are just over paying even if we could use them.
Miss on them both though...and Cohen/Sandy start off in a bad place with Met fans.
 
Bauer will get more but he should only deserve a Wheeler type contract. Springer- maybe 4/110m or 5/135... much more and you really are just over paying even if we could use them.
Miss on them both though...and Cohen/Sandy start off in a bad place with Met fans.
I get it but I would rather have them trade for a Lindor and sign him or trade for an Arenado and pay his contract then to overpay for those two guys. Bauer isn't Cole and Springer is not Mookie Betts.
 
I get it but I would rather have them trade for a Lindor and sign him or trade for an Arenado and pay his contract then to overpay for those two guys. Bauer isn't Cole and Springer is not Mookie Betts.
Springer is not Mookie Betts but his contract won't come close to Betts either.
 
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Springer will sign with Mets. It’s all negotiation. Springer wants 5/150. Mets offered 5/120. Easy gap to bridge. 5/ 135. Martino is a B type of reporter. I don’t value much what he says. If it’s Heyman, Passan or Rosenthal, I listen.
 
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