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OT: New York Mets 2020 season

But the new owner can theoretically wait the deal out and then just start a new TV network.

I absolutely hate that I'm not excited for the season because the Wilpons are being their usual selves and we need to worry about this business stuff.

Also I got caught up in it yet again but no more Yanks talk or responding to the 3 amigos for me. I'll bring it to the other thread where there is no traction.
 
But the new owner can theoretically wait the deal out and then just start a new TV network.

I absolutely hate that I'm not excited for the season because the Wilpons are being their usual selves and we need to worry about this business stuff.

Also I got caught up in it yet again but no more Yanks talk or responding to the 3 amigos for me. I'll bring it to the other thread where there is no traction.

Unfortunately, the Wilpons have ensured a long TV contract for the Mets and are locked into SNY for like a decade. I don't know if there are break up fees. Establishing a new channel is expensive as well. I don't see a new owner who pays 2-3 billion dollars to buy the Mets would then put up all the money to set up a television network.
 
Zach Wheeler tells NBC that the Mets never even talked to him or his agent. Apparently they had no interest at all in keeping him.
 
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Zach Wheeler tells NBC that the Mets never even talked to him or his agent. Apparently they had no interest at all in keeping him.
You sound surprised. I am not. IMO it was clear that when they acquired Stroman, it was to replace either Syndergaard or Wheeler, one of whom seemed likely to be traded prior to last year's deadline. When neither was, I considered it a given that Wheeler would not be back.
 
Zach Wheeler tells NBC that the Mets never even talked to him or his agent. Apparently they had no interest at all in keeping him.
Who gives a $hit at this point. He got way more than the Mets would have paid, and I feel, the Mets were justified,way too much and he's had Tommy John surgery that has given him more problems than the normal recoveries pitchers have had.
 
Zach Wheeler tells NBC that the Mets never even talked to him or his agent. Apparently they had no interest at all in keeping him.
He didn’t say never. At the price Phillies paid I don’t blame anyone for having no interest. Good for Wheeler though.
 
Who gives a $hit at this point. He got way more than the Mets would have paid, and I feel, the Mets were justified,way too much and he's had Tommy John surgery that has given him more problems than the normal recoveries pitchers have had.
I have liked Zach but he is a number 3 pitcher who could work his way to a 2. You don’t pay $100mil for that level starter.
I don’t understand the TJ concern. Last 2 years he has pretty much been a 30 start guy - control has gotten better and K’s are up. But to this point, he is still a mid 3.something guy who could get better or maybe not. Great guy to have on a staff, not worth Philly money but not a bum either.
 
He was definitely worth the money over the prospect capital it took to get Stroman and Wheeler is better pitcher. Once again cheap Wilpons strike though. Meanwhile it's going to be the same for Syndegaard and an absolute travesty when he walks also.

Meanwhile Jed Loserie shows up in a knee brace today and is still hurt from last year somehow.
 
He was definitely worth the money over the prospect capital it took to get Stroman and Wheeler is better pitcher. Once again cheap Wilpons strike though. Meanwhile it's going to be the same for Syndegaard and an absolute travesty when he walks also.

Meanwhile Jed Loserie shows up in a knee brace today and is still hurt from last year somehow.
This is not someone being cheap. Way overpriced at 118 mil.
 
Not one bit.
He is way over priced for what he has done so far. If he stays a 180-190 inning guy and 3.5 era or so...then he is still over priced.If he goes on in Philly to be a 3.10 or lower pitcher with 180+ innings for the next couple of years, then he is starting to earn it.
 
He was definitely worth the money over the prospect capital it took to get Stroman and Wheeler is better pitcher. Once again cheap Wilpons strike though. Meanwhile it's going to be the same for Syndegaard and an absolute travesty when he walks also.

Meanwhile Jed Loserie shows up in a knee brace today and is still hurt from last year somehow.
Just wondering... After the 2015 season, were you lamenting the failure of the cheap Wilpons to give Matt Harvey the extension he so clearly deserved? I know a LOT of Met fans were.

My point is that when it's YOUR money, these decisions aren't as clearcut as when it's somebody else's money.
 
Just wondering... After the 2015 season, were you lamenting the failure of the cheap Wilpons to give Matt Harvey the extension he so clearly deserved? I know a LOT of Met fans were.

My point is that when it's YOUR money, these decisions aren't as clearcut as when it's somebody else's money.
It feels more like Zak just wanted the Met's to sign Wheeler, which we all agree as I can't believe he really is trying to argue the guy has earned 100 mil. If you told be that Wheeler signed for 5 year,70-80mil, then I could see the point but there is nothing that points to a 100 mil contract.
That would tell me that we would have to be signing Noah for 120-130mil or so...
 
He is way over priced for what he has done so far. If he stays a 180-190 inning guy and 3.5 era or so...then he is still over priced.If he goes on in Philly to be a 3.10 or lower pitcher with 180+ innings for the next couple of years, then he is starting to earn it.

Last 2 full seasons so 2018 and 2019 Wheeler is 9th in SP WAR in all of baseball. 16th in ERA/10th in FIP. This year his salary makes him the 13th highest paid SP which seems to fall right in line with the deal he got. He also brings a quite a bit of upside considering his age and other metrics so he may not have fully put together his best years yet. I think his contract was right in line with what I expected him to get and a NY team should not be letting it's good players walk away because of money. A lot of ERA/FIP were higher lat year because of the juiced ball so I wouldn't get specific numbers like 3.10 ERA as a measuring stick.
 
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Just wondering... After the 2015 season, were you lamenting the failure of the cheap Wilpons to give Matt Harvey the extension he so clearly deserved? I know a LOT of Met fans were.

My point is that when it's YOUR money, these decisions aren't as clearcut as when it's somebody else's money.

Matt Harvey was in his last arb eligible year off 2015 and his body of work to that point did point to an extension. You can't predict injury so looking back at that specific player is not fair. I can give you 10 guys who did deserve an extension and got them and have been fine.

The wilpons deserve 0 benefit of the doubt when it comes to running the Mets. Time and time again they've proven they won't get the extra mile to put a clear cut winner on the field. They charge top 5 prices and don't invest it back into the team while also cooking the books to artificially make the numbers higher than they are.
 
Last 2 full seasons so 2018 and 2019 Wheeler is 9th in SP WAR in all of baseball. 16th in ERA/10th in FIP. This year his salary makes him the 13th highest paid SP which seems to fall right in line with the deal he got. He also brings a quite a bit of upside considering his age and other metrics so he may not have fully put together his best years yet. I think his contract was right in line with what I expected him to get and a NY team should not be letting it's good players walk away because of money. A lot of ERA/FIP were higher lat year because of the juiced ball so I wouldn't get specific numbers like 3.10 ERA as a measuring stick.
Yeah... let's watch Zach Wheeler become Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee down the Turnpike because the Mets were too cheap to see his potential after the last two season of finally getting it together.
 
Yeah... let's watch Zach Wheeler become Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee down the Turnpike because the Mets were too cheap to see his potential after the last two season of finally getting it together.

Or he could become the next David Price, etc
 
Nice research,thanks
Should Clemens count for Boston or the Yankees? I'd minus 3 from Boston's total, and one from the Yankees total. """
Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers 12 1956, 1962–1963, 1965–1966, 1974, 1981, 1988, 2003, 2011, 2013–2014
Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves 7 1957, 1991, 1993–1996, 1998
Philadelphia Phillies 1972, 1977, 1980, 1982–1983, 1987, 2010
Boston Red Sox 1967, 1986–1987, 1991, 1999–2000, 2016
New York Mets 1969, 1973, 1975, 1985, 2012, 2018-2019
Baltimore Orioles 6 1969, 1973, 1975–1976, 1979–1980
Arizona Diamondbacks 5 1999–2002, 2006
Detroit Tigers 1968–1969, 1984, 2011, 2013
New York Yankees 1958, 1961, 1977–1978, 2001
Oakland Athletics 1971, 1974, 1990, 1992, 2002
Chicago Cubs 1971, 1979, 1984, 1992, 2015
Cleveland Indians 1972, 2007–2008, 2014, 2017
Kansas City Royals 4 1985, 1989, 1994, 2009
Minnesota Twins 1970, 1988, 2004, 2006
San Diego Padres 1976, 1978, 1989, 2007
Toronto Blue Jays 1996–1998, 2003
Houston Astros 1986, 2004, 2015, 2019
Chicago White Sox 3 1959, 1983, 1993
San Francisco Giants 1967, 2008–2009
St. Louis Cardinals 1968, 1970, 2005
Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals 1997, 2016–2017
Los Angeles Angels 2 1964, 2005
Milwaukee Brewers 1981–1982
Pittsburgh Pirates 1960, 1990
Seattle Mariners 1995, 2010
Tampa Bay Rays 2012, 2018
Cincinnati Reds 0 none
Colorado Rockies none
Miami Marlins none
Texas Rangers none
Unanimous winners[edit]
There have been 17 players who unanimously won the Cy Young Award, for a total of 23 wins.

Five of these unanimous wins were accompanied with a win of the Most Valuable Player award (marked with * below; ** denotes that the player's unanimous win was accompanied with a unanimous win of the MVP).

In the National League, 11 players have unanimously won the Cy Young Award, for a total of 14 wins.

 
The biggest surprise in my lifetime was the Phillies Steve Bedrosian. A closer with no great stats worthy of a Cy Young. 40 saves. 2.83 ERA 5-3 record.
 
Should Clemens count for Boston or the Yankees? I'd minus 3 from Boston's total, and one from the Yankees total. """
Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers 12 1956, 1962–1963, 1965–1966, 1974, 1981, 1988, 2003, 2011, 2013–2014
Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves 7 1957, 1991, 1993–1996, 1998
Philadelphia Phillies 1972, 1977, 1980, 1982–1983, 1987, 2010
Boston Red Sox 1967, 1986–1987, 1991, 1999–2000, 2016
New York Mets 1969, 1973, 1975, 1985, 2012, 2018-2019
Baltimore Orioles 6 1969, 1973, 1975–1976, 1979–1980
Arizona Diamondbacks 5 1999–2002, 2006
Detroit Tigers 1968–1969, 1984, 2011, 2013
New York Yankees 1958, 1961, 1977–1978, 2001
Oakland Athletics 1971, 1974, 1990, 1992, 2002
Chicago Cubs 1971, 1979, 1984, 1992, 2015
Cleveland Indians 1972, 2007–2008, 2014, 2017
Kansas City Royals 4 1985, 1989, 1994, 2009
Minnesota Twins 1970, 1988, 2004, 2006
San Diego Padres 1976, 1978, 1989, 2007
Toronto Blue Jays 1996–1998, 2003
Houston Astros 1986, 2004, 2015, 2019
Chicago White Sox 3 1959, 1983, 1993
San Francisco Giants 1967, 2008–2009
St. Louis Cardinals 1968, 1970, 2005
Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals 1997, 2016–2017
Los Angeles Angels 2 1964, 2005
Milwaukee Brewers 1981–1982
Pittsburgh Pirates 1960, 1990
Seattle Mariners 1995, 2010
Tampa Bay Rays 2012, 2018
Cincinnati Reds 0 none
Colorado Rockies none
Miami Marlins none
Texas Rangers none
Unanimous winners[edit]
There have been 17 players who unanimously won the Cy Young Award, for a total of 23 wins.

Five of these unanimous wins were accompanied with a win of the Most Valuable Player award (marked with * below; ** denotes that the player's unanimous win was accompanied with a unanimous win of the MVP).

In the National League, 11 players have unanimously won the Cy Young Award, for a total of 14 wins.

Most interesting stat is the Reds with 0. They date back to the 1880's and the American Association!
 
The US Naval Academy will host a Orioles/Mets exhibition game on March 24th. Don't bother looking for tickets. Not open to the public. I'm guessing MLB Network will be there.
 
Most interesting stat is the Reds with 0. They date back to the 1880's and the American Association!
True, but the Cy Young award only dates back to 1956. The Texas Rangers (originally Washington Senators) were established in 1961 and they don't have any Cy Young winners either. So that is almost as statistically unlikely.
 
I never hated Arod but didn't like his fake personality. Most Yankee players who got to know him liked him alot. He was very popular in the clubhouse so I guess his private persona was likeable.
I did like to watch him play. People only talk about his hitting but he was a phenomenal fielder. His transition to 3rd was flawless.
 
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I never hated Arod but didn't like his fake personality. Most Yankee players who got to know him liked him alot. He was very popular in the clubhouse so I guess his private persona was likeable.
I did like to watch him play. People only talk about his hitting but he was a phenomenal fielder. His transition to 3rd was flawless.
The fact he moved over to 3B for Jeter tells me he was way more of a team player than he ever was given credit for. Jeter was never as good a SS as ARod,never.
 
Let's try to get back to the Mets, shall we? From SNY, and really hope he delivers:
https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/yoenis...hould-be-ready-for-mets-opening-day/312849164
Mets OF Yoenis Cespedes said he wasn't going to speak to the media at all this season, but that didn't last very long as he sat in front of the mic on Sunday morning.
Joined by team translator Alan Surriel, Cespedes got right to the point when asked if he will be ready for Opening Day. His answer?
"If I continue progressing the way that I am, yes," he said.
Cespedes has looked good in live batting practice sessions, taking fly balls in the outfield, and even doing running drills on the side. You can tell the Mets are being cautious with him -- as they should be -- but he seems to be in great shape.
Being able to make an impact this season is something Mets fans would love to see from the 34-year-old, and it's something he is highly motivated to do. So, on a scale from 1-10, this is where that motivation lies...
"12," he said.
...more to come...
 
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Let's try to get back to the Mets, shall we? From SNY, and really hope he delivers:
https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/yoenis...hould-be-ready-for-mets-opening-day/312849164
Mets OF Yoenis Cespedes said he wasn't going to speak to the media at all this season, but that didn't last very long as he sat in front of the mic on Sunday morning.
Joined by team translator Alan Surriel, Cespedes got right to the point when asked if he will be ready for Opening Day. His answer?
"If I continue progressing the way that I am, yes," he said.
Cespedes has looked good in live batting practice sessions, taking fly balls in the outfield, and even doing running drills on the side. You can tell the Mets are being cautious with him -- as they should be -- but he seems to be in great shape.
Being able to make an impact this season is something Mets fans would love to see from the 34-year-old, and it's something he is highly motivated to do. So, on a scale from 1-10, this is where that motivation lies...
"12," he said.
...more to come...
If OC comes back healthy and has a walk year type of production, it makes our lineup huge and a super strong bench. The would have Smith, Davis, Lowrey on the bench.
 
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