Those days are long over. Now we have athletes wealthy beyond belief screaming about being oppressed.
OT: NFL Releases Social Justice Plans for Week 1
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Those days are long over. Now we have athletes wealthy beyond belief screaming about being oppressed.
What hopefully is realized by all:
change is needed so law enforcement doesn't seem to treat people different and
there are bad cops that make the others look bad.
There is a feeling by many , of all walks of life, that the police won't police themselves and that adds to the problem on the way people think the police are.
Every ploice department must look for a way to earn the trust and respect of the community they serve, not expect that because of the badge worn.
Every member of community needs to realize police work is a tough job and one that mistakes will be made.
If the mistake isn't covered up/ignored and the department meets it head non accepting responsibility while taking steps to right the wrong, the community needs to show the members of that department the respect and trust it deserves.
The sad fact is that doesn't seem to be happening, thus the protesting demanding it starts.
All protesters aren't into looting and violent action, those that are make symphony for the issue harder to obtain.
But painting all protester with the same brush is the same as claiming all cops are bad because of the few and every police officer can't be trusted to turn in the bad ones as part of their protect and serve responsibility.
Remember the old saying, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
So when some protesters get out of hand, that doesn't end the social justice issue the protests are about from being valid nor does the bad protesters actions excuse the bad cops actions that caused the uproar.
All I see here is excusing police brutality because of the actions of the protesters that hurt the cause and protesters that cause trouble being excused because of the police actions that are the reason protests are going on.
Instead of fighting because of different political agendas, try to find common ground that might lead to a solution, not just continuing the same old argument over and over again.
On a separate note: I wonder how many posting in support of the police were in the their overpaid and not worth the money they make crowd that were posting feelings like that a few years ago on this board.
Seems like the police and teachers are two of the most maligned groups when the jobs they do are/were discussed on this board , when things are more calm.
change is needed so law enforcement doesn't seem to treat people different and
there are bad cops that make the others look bad.
There is a feeling by many , of all walks of life, that the police won't police themselves and that adds to the problem on the way people think the police are.
Every ploice department must look for a way to earn the trust and respect of the community they serve, not expect that because of the badge worn.
Every member of community needs to realize police work is a tough job and one that mistakes will be made.
If the mistake isn't covered up/ignored and the department meets it head non accepting responsibility while taking steps to right the wrong, the community needs to show the members of that department the respect and trust it deserves.
The sad fact is that doesn't seem to be happening, thus the protesting demanding it starts.
All protesters aren't into looting and violent action, those that are make symphony for the issue harder to obtain.
But painting all protester with the same brush is the same as claiming all cops are bad because of the few and every police officer can't be trusted to turn in the bad ones as part of their protect and serve responsibility.
Remember the old saying, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
So when some protesters get out of hand, that doesn't end the social justice issue the protests are about from being valid nor does the bad protesters actions excuse the bad cops actions that caused the uproar.
All I see here is excusing police brutality because of the actions of the protesters that hurt the cause and protesters that cause trouble being excused because of the police actions that are the reason protests are going on.
Instead of fighting because of different political agendas, try to find common ground that might lead to a solution, not just continuing the same old argument over and over again.
On a separate note: I wonder how many posting in support of the police were in the their overpaid and not worth the money they make crowd that were posting feelings like that a few years ago on this board.
Seems like the police and teachers are two of the most maligned groups when the jobs they do are/were discussed on this board , when things are more calm.
The incidents are far and few between and they certainly are going go grow with the funds being taken that could be used for training.
The bigger change needed is civility in the people they police. Society is breaking down at an alarming rate.
The bigger change needed is civility in the people they police. Society is breaking down at an alarming rate.
Businesses know that if they send money to Black Lives Matter they will not likely become a target. Worked for years for the Mafia. For some reason the Mafia was considered a criminal organization but BLM is viewed in a positive light in the MSM. Black lives matter. But say no to Black Lives Matter.
Is Portland a cry for Social Justice? Was the looting a cry for Social Justice? So if you don't bow to the mobs you are against the fight for social justice? Ridiculous. Nice way to put it if you don't want to admit your bias.
I applaud the NFL for trying to right their wrongs. Not "paying attention" when CK was trying to make folk aware of the "issues" was foolish. This needs to last more than 1 week.....
NFL did nothing wrong back then. They are doing something wrong now though
This will become an out of control train running down the track for the NFL imo. This is just the beginning of the movement in the NFL.
Sports and issues never work out well. It didn't then and it won't now. Sports are supposed to be reprieve from politics, which this most certainly is now.
CK was paid attention to. Some just didn't like the response. Wait until issues come that aren't so popular. Like abortion. Is the NFL going to allow a Christian to play with anti abortion slogans on their jerseys? As they say, the toothpaste is out of the tube now.
Take a good look at most of the instigators at these instances that are posted so often...what don't you see- pigmentation of the skin just saying
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Impressed this thread is still open but the SI one did not make it.
In a thread littered with terrible posts, this one takes the cake.
Jackie Robinson was a hero. The picture of Pee Wee Reese putting his arm around Jackie in defiance of prejudice white people is iconic. Many athletes today owe guys like that a lot. They played for very little money and for the love of the game.
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Probably calling that gal heavy and that obesity is BAD no matter how inclusive you want to be...
Well, this has certainly triggered many of our GOP friends (note, I am not saying all, since there are certainly some reasonable ones). Is it really a surprise to anyone though?
The responses and a lot of shots taken @yesrutgers01 show that this country has a long way to go on issues of race.
I don't agree with everything @yesrutgers01 has said on this thread or on this board, but he is in quite a unique position to offer views on perceptions of how this country is doing on race.
I have posted thoughts of Coleman Hughes on this board before, and he has a fairly good perspective on some of these issues. One of his major themes is that there is indeed a policing problem in this country. That is not to say the police are the problem, but a small percentage of bad apples are making a bunch look rotten, and that is unfortunate. A lot of us would do well to listen to the thoughts of others who have a different perspective, and truly hear them without discounting or diminishing their experience or perspective. Until we can start doing that on both sides, it is going to be difficult to bridge the divide.
Doubt anyone here will listen to the whole discussion, but this is excellent, and at least listen to the next 2-3 minutes of what Coleman Hughes says:
"If we are talking about race, the fact that you are to me a white-looking person, that means you have to essentially kowtow to me. You are beneath me in this conversation because you haven't lived as a black person. You don't know what it's like to experience anti-black racism. If you have experienced prejudice in the past, it's been from a position of power as a white man. These are all the arguments that are being made right now and that means . . .I have a kind of epistemological authority over you. I know things that you can't know, and therefore, that asymmetry should inform this entire conversation. I think that is fundamentally wrong. It gets epistemology wrong, because, first, two black people can have two totally different opinions. . . . "
"If we are talking about race, the fact that you are to me a white-looking person, that means you have to essentially kowtow to me. You are beneath me in this conversation because you haven't lived as a black person. You don't know what it's like to experience anti-black racism. If you have experienced prejudice in the past, it's been from a position of power as a white man. These are all the arguments that are being made right now and that means . . .I have a kind of epistemological authority over you. I know things that you can't know, and therefore, that asymmetry should inform this entire conversation. I think that is fundamentally wrong. It gets epistemology wrong, because, first, two black people can have two totally different opinions. . . . "
I think the "both sides" thing is an excuse. One party made their whole presidential campaign about bashing white people - demonized every day. I knew then there would be a lot of trouble because. There was fear the GOP was making inroads with black voters. The TDS crowd couldn't have that. There were zero rational ideas. Everything became about "free free free" and demonizing white people - the men especially. That's an old tactic. You should read the stuff white people are being told to do in Seattle ( ).
We have a massive blame game diversion taking place. Black crime (not from all of course) has been massive since the 60s. Peior to 60s black crime was the same as white. Prisons were mostly white. Black Illegitimacy was equal to white. Then the spoilers came in and played God. The gov became the center of black life and fathers went away. They got angry and the kids got angry. The abandoned mothers got angry (you should hear how some of them berate their male kids).
Fiftenn years ago the kid in my area started fighting cops because thats what the out of town agitators taught them to do. if a kid got arrested, the other kids would get him free from the car. Two and three cars became needed to make arrests. Its obvious there are some bad cops but people make excuses for what certain populations put cops through. I've caught some of it because people thought I was a cop
Now you just have more agitation by radicals and selfish agitators. Lots of black lives were saved by police. Not they are being beaten down while black people are getting killed all over the place - by other black people.
Who even knows "Hands Up Don't Shoot" never happened? The last admins DOJ report even said so.
‘Hands up, don’t shoot’ was built on a lie
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...n-learned-from-the-shooting-of-michael-brown/
Nice story. Did you make it in the NYT fiction best sellers list with that one?
Most of what he writes is beyond fiction, but he is very creative...
It's posts like these that are why the CE board got shut down and why this thread will be locked shortly. Racially insensitive and divisive at a minimum and Skinny, I suggest you look in the mirror and ask that question, since generally racists are the ones who think there's no racism.
@yesrutgers01 - keep up the good fight - you make superbly insightful posts on race in America, given your unique (for this board at least, which leans as far right and white and male as any collection of 1000+ adults can) perspective and experiences.
My most shocking personal realization of racism came only about 10 years ago the day after my 30th HS reunion, when I was hanging out with 4 of my HS friends (all white - 99% white HS in South Jersey with maybe 4 of 400 black graduates and 2-3 Jews, one of whom was my best friend). I felt I was reasonably well traveled and read by the time I was 48 and I had a few close black friends over the years, including a great friend/roommate in college, so I thought I had seen a few things and knew a lot about racism.
So the night after the reunion I was out with 4 of the guys I grew up with and growing up through the 70s in an all white town, there wasn't much obvious racism, since there was nobody around to be racist to and apart from the occasional racist joke, which I never thought much about back then, I simply didn't give race much thought, except in the books I read. All 4 of these guys stayed in our hometown area and 3 didn't go to college, but have done ok in various blue collar jobs (the other guy is in pharma) - I kind of lost touch with them since HS, as I didn't come back much, but we became FB friends when that all started up around 2007-8.
Anyway, it was the middle of football season and this was when Michael Vick was the Eagles QB and they were on TV and he made a bad play and one of the guys called him a "stupid effin n-----" and the other guys laughed. I didn't, but I'd heard talk like that before (there are always some white guys who assume that other white guys are ok with racist talk) and challenged them saying c'mon, that's a dumb racist thing to say and then we got into a discussion on black QBs and they all said Vick, McNabb, etc., would never win a Super Bowl and that Doug Williams was a fluke and that black QBs simply weren't smart enough to lead teams to a SB win - I argued pretty hard with them and they could tell I was pissed so we started talking about HS stuff.
Nobody used the N-word again, since it was clear I wasn't having that, but it was also still clear these guys all thought like every NFL GM in the 60s through the 90s, at least. It was jarring. I had planned to stay and watch the whole game, but left at halftime, as I realized that maybe they'd always been racist, but I was too naive to see it in HS and I never really saw them much in the next 30 years (or at least race didn't really come up when I did). I don't think they all of a sudden became bad people, but man what a shock to see the casual racism and I'm sure this was not some odd anomaly, especially judging by the posts in this thread.
I'll also relate one really great formative period in my life, junior year at RU, when I lived with a good friend of mine who was black (we were both engineers) and where I had the privilege of truly learning at least somewhat what it was like to be a minority. While we had some larger parties with everyone in the apartment, which were mostly white, my roommate had a couple of smaller parties where I was one of maybe 2 white folks out of 25-30. I had never been a "minority" before in any setting and I was certainly nervous at first, but also found it to be pretty eye-opening and a helluva lot of fun.
My roommate and I used to talk about race all the time (he taught me a lot) and about 5 of us spent an hour after the party mostly talking about race - they were actually very interested in my perspective having been a "minority" for a night. My immediate first thought was Atticus Finch from To Kill A Mockingbird talking about how much one can learn by "walking around in someone else's skin." My stock went up a few notches after bringing in that perspective.
Its all accurate and you cant disprove any of it. We live in a time when its easy to see whats going on. We have a party, a media and an academic cohort that's made a heard break into extremism - Marxism, communism, socialism - whatever you want to call it. They want to break the country a dozen ways. They are bad citizens and bad people - and they aren't one race. One plank in the platform calls for having millions of people from around the world crash in. See how "black lives matter" when they get buried under that.
The NYT is fabricating ridiculous faux history that few scholars take seriously but the lies get inflated more and more. We have organized gangs roving the nations colleges and cities creating violence. The "protests" always descend into mayhem once the beat down and indoctrinated psychotic kids go home. Nobody has been worked over psychologically like today's kids. Massive excuses are made for real problems. The criminals become the good guys and the law gets recast as the criminals.
No surprise there is a communist group calling for eradication of police. This all has nothing to do with improving race relations. It has to do with using black people as battering rams. The same people who wrecked Venezuela want a go at US. The US people might actually be worse. In any case, you already have armed militias formed and a bunch of US cities will be lost relatively quickly. The city leaders are feckless. You have a good chance of hostile people outside your house soon and it was easy to see coming
I've found the same to be true about lots of former co-workers of mine. A bunch came out during the Obama years.
Yikes, seriously, stay off the interwebs. Its rotting your brain.
Dude might just be on crack. Or crystal meth.
And you know what, the NFL just counted down its annual list of the top 100 players and 3 of the top 10 are "Black" quarterbacks.
This is just so incredibly ignorant that it's astounding. What do you think that because a black athlete is sucessful and highly paid that they don't have untold number of family members and friends who are just average joes so to speak. And that these family members and friends aren't subject to the same concerns? I guess their attitude should be well I'm good hell with those other Black people. Why should I care about Breonna Taylor. I've got a mansion a bughatti and 2 tesla's baby. .
The thought process of you and others in this thread is really something to behold. I've got the utmost respect for people like Lebron James and others like him who they would love to just have " shut up and dribble."
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Unless you are hiding under a rock you should know. Lack of emphasis on education and the family structure.
I think some of you guys could use one of those laid-off Rutgers Behavioral Healthcare workers to take a look at your head. The mental gymnastics that some of you go through to justify your willful ignorance is absurd.
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Really. I don’t care what color they are or aren’t but that’s a shocker. Mahomes is too young to be on that list but to me he may end up being the best and certainly will go down as an all time great if he does what I expect him to do. Who else would be in the Top 10?
I really want to say OK Boomer, because it fits, but instead I'll just say, you're entitled to your opinion.
It's not Top 10 of all time. It's Top 10 active players.
The other two are Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson.
That's because you seem to view everything based on race.
With that logic, a lot of racists have come out during the Trump years too.
E eryone who hates him, of course cuz he's a White guy. Am I playing this right?
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