With Acorsi’s Linemen and never replaced them.
Eli was slowly becoming “Old Eli” again towards the end of Reese’s time. May have been wise to start looking for a new QB. But maybe Mara squashed that… Who knows.
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Eli was slowly becoming “Old Eli” again towards the end of Reese’s time. May have been wise to start looking for a new QB. But maybe Mara squashed that… Who knows.
They thought Glennon, who had started in the league, would fill that role. Mistake.
Hoping whoever is the GM will spend the First Round picks on OLinemen instead of WRs/ TEs who can’t catch or can’t stay off the OUT list every other week.
But if we agree the OL had gone to pot then wouldn't we expect that to affect the QB play?
I was in no rush to move on from Eli, would have much rather they fix the team around him. Instead they replaced Eli and the replacement has dealt with the same issues that Eli was forced to deal with, to similar results.
You know, you’re right. Eli probably would’ve had a last chance or two if the Giants drafted quality linemen instead of skill players to help protect Manning long enough. But they didn’t, Old E came back, running for his life, and Gettleman/ Mara has been a torturous joke since he showed up.
I'm only guessing, but I have a feeling the Maras did not want to see Eli finish his career wearing another team's jersey...Favre in a Vikings jersey? Montana in a Cardinals jersey? Old QBs hang around forever and it always gets ugly. Eli was told he could stay as long as he wanted. Having that knuclehead break Eli's streak in favor of Geno Friggin Smith was just kicking Eli and reminding him he can stay, but it's time to hang em up.
The only good O Lineman they have is Thomas. Everyone else needs to be replaced. They can’t count on the injured guys coming back either. I honestly wouldn’t be mad if they took 4 O lineman with their first 6 picks
That’s a good point. But the Packers had Aaron Rodgers, 49ers had Steve Young. And no I’m not saying Steve Bono is in the same league as the HOFers, but he did go 13-3 the year after Montana retired in KC. And the Giants had Geno Smith.
Forget SF and KC, that was a different time/ rules. But if GB found Rodgers (by luck but still), NY could’ve maybe found someone better than Geno.
But would you use the top 2 on OL?
I'm probably going to say no, especially if we think Thomas is a keeper at LT. 2 top 10 picks and neither being a LT sounds wrong.
What are the non LT options in the top 10?
IMO it depends on who is available. There are several Edge rushers at the top of the board and if one of them slips, you should grab one. The only way I see the Giants taking 2 OL with their current top 10 picks take the Tackle (Evan Neal) from Alabama and the center (Linderbaum) from Iowa. If those 2 are available, might be hard to pass up as it would completely remake the OL.
Was thinking pass rusher as the other option.
Say we take Neal, who moves to RT?
Center in the top 10 sounds unorthodox but whatever, the OL has been such an issue I'd be cool with it.
Ts Evan Neal, Charles Cross, and maybe C Tyler Linderbaum would be good enough for one or both picks. Maybe the Purdue DE can help as a first rounder. I would pound my head on the if Kenny Pickett or another QB is picked in the first round without incoming Linemen help.
Which to me is as good a reason as any to give Jones another year.
And indirectly Judge. New GM, one year with the incumbent beneath him, put some foundational pieces in place(ie linemen) and if we stink next year get rid of Judge and Jones and the clock starts for the GM.
There are currently 3 Edge rushers in the top 10...so no problem if they go in that direction. The Center, Linderbaum is supposedly one of the highest grading centers ever.
I dont worry about who moves to RT. Football is supposed to be a positional competition. Thomas has been OK but by no means is he deserving of any guaranteed spot as if he was a multi year All Pro.
I personally would spend the two picks on two linemen if they’re good enough. And I f they get the two linemen with those picks, I probably would give Judge/ Jones another chance… THEY MUST GET AN OC WITH A BRAIN FOR THIS TO WORK.
Tip my cap to you, sir. 🎩
Now I’m worried Mara wants a QB with pick 5 and Pickett is a 5-10 range pick.
Eli was best as a medium to long ball passer (like Kerry Collins) who needed more time without having guys in his face. You know in baseball some guys are power pitchers and some are knucklers? Eli's short passes could be comically bad but he could lead the league in longer passes in he air . As a rookie he could throw a screen to a solitary receiver all alone and miss him by 7 feet. In his last years Eli looked the same way as he did when a rookie. I wasn't thinking "oh Ei is too old" - I was thinking he couldn't get to make his best throws. His moneymaker in later years was a slant to Beckham which Giants ran over and over and over
Article from 2018:
Avert your eyes, haters: Statistics show Eli Manning is a deep-ball wizard
"According to the statistics. of the most 20-plus-yard passes thrown this season (meaning the ball traveled over 20 yards in the air). Manning was 10th in the NFL in the category with 57 attempts...What the haters might be surprised by is that Manning completed 25 of those passes for a completion rate of 44 percent — the highest of any quarterback in the top 10."..https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/18/new-york-giants-eli-manning-statistics-deep-ball-wizard/
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"Manning went 43 of 109 on the deep attempts, compiling 1,490 yards — also the most in the N.F.L...According to Pro Football Focus, Manning led the league in attempts, completions and completion percentage on passes of 10 to 19 yards that were aimed outside the numbers."
Developing Arm Strength Feet First (Published 2012)
Eli Manning’s arm strength — essentially a measure of a passer’s ability to throw the most difficult passes powerfully — is rooted in proper footwork and the building of his legs and core.
I really wish the Giants picked Quentin Nelson that year. Yeas that was Barkley’s year but I thought they were better off with Nelson, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold that year, esp when they had Wayne Gallman out of Clemson the year before. So what do I know.
Too me, Old Eli wasn’t because he was old. Old Eli was what you posted: missing short passes by yards, throwing into double coverages, etc. Kevin Gilbride’s and those WRs in that Run and Shoot-ish Offense saved Eli and got them 2 SBs.Eli was best as a medium to long ball passer (like Kerry Collins) who needed more time without having guys in his face. You know in baseball some guys are power pitchers and some are knucklers? Eli's short passes could be comically bad but he could lead the league in longer passes in he air . As a rookie he could throw a screen to a solitary receiver all alone and miss him by 7 feet. In his last years Eli looked the same way as he did when a rookie. I wasn't thinking "oh Ei is too old" - I was thinking he couldn't get to make his best throws. His moneymaker in later years was a slant to Beckham which Giants ran over and over and over
Article from 2018:
Avert your eyes, haters: Statistics show Eli Manning is a deep-ball wizard
"According to the statistics. of the most 20-plus-yard passes thrown this season (meaning the ball traveled over 20 yards in the air). Manning was 10th in the NFL in the category with 57 attempts...What the haters might be surprised by is that Manning completed 25 of those passes for a completion rate of 44 percent — the highest of any quarterback in the top 10."
..https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/18/new-york-giants-eli-manning-statistics-deep-ball-wizard/
20212
"Manning went 43 of 109 on the deep attempts, compiling 1,490 yards — also the most in the N.F.L...According to Pro Football Focus, Manning led the league in attempts, completions and completion percentage on passes of 10 to 19 yards that were aimed outside the numbers."
Developing Arm Strength Feet First (Published 2012)
Eli Manning’s arm strength — essentially a measure of a passer’s ability to throw the most difficult passes powerfully — is rooted in proper footwork and the building of his legs and core.www.nytimes.com
Ya, arm strength and the deep ball were always an Eli strength. Maybe to a fault as he did often throw high on those routes which led to a lot of those volleyball style interceptions. But Made Plex the perfect WR for him as he could go up and catch balls. He often made OK TE's look pretty good.Eli was best as a medium to long ball passer (like Kerry Collins) who needed more time without having guys in his face. You know in baseball some guys are power pitchers and some are knucklers? Eli's short passes could be comically bad but he could lead the league in longer passes in he air . As a rookie he could throw a screen to a solitary receiver all alone and miss him by 7 feet. In his last years Eli looked the same way as he did when a rookie. I wasn't thinking "oh Ei is too old" - I was thinking he couldn't get to make his best throws. His moneymaker in later years was a slant to Beckham which Giants ran over and over and over
Article from 2018:
Avert your eyes, haters: Statistics show Eli Manning is a deep-ball wizard
"According to the statistics. of the most 20-plus-yard passes thrown this season (meaning the ball traveled over 20 yards in the air). Manning was 10th in the NFL in the category with 57 attempts...What the haters might be surprised by is that Manning completed 25 of those passes for a completion rate of 44 percent — the highest of any quarterback in the top 10."
..https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/18/new-york-giants-eli-manning-statistics-deep-ball-wizard/
20212
"Manning went 43 of 109 on the deep attempts, compiling 1,490 yards — also the most in the N.F.L...According to Pro Football Focus, Manning led the league in attempts, completions and completion percentage on passes of 10 to 19 yards that were aimed outside the numbers."
Developing Arm Strength Feet First (Published 2012)
Eli Manning’s arm strength — essentially a measure of a passer’s ability to throw the most difficult passes powerfully — is rooted in proper footwork and the building of his legs and core.
Still I think Eli adapted pretty well to the shorter passing game later in his career. Completion % was good, int's were down, and this was with injured WR's all over the place, a terrible OL and no running game.
Now another OL goes down for good
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Giants injury news: OT Matt Peart has torn ACL
DB Julian Love placed on Reserve/COVID-19 list
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Either 1 OL and 1 edge rusher or 2 OL depending on who's drafted ahead of them.
Depends on who is there in the top 10. Definitely 1 of the picks on a O lineman. The edge rusher from Purdue I see mocked to the Giants a lot. Karlaftis but I read he has less then ideal length and I think he only had 4.5 sacks this year. The top two edge guys in the draft are Hutchinson and Thibodeaux but I read reports that they wouldnt even be top 10 picks in last years draft. It's all speculation you truly dont know how your draft turned out for a few years after most of the time. I guess it depends on what edge rusher is there when they pick. Someone unexpected can drop.
The other O Line options I've been seeing mocked to the Giants are.
Ikem Ekwonu OT - NC State
Tyler Linderbaum C - Iowa, I've read some stuff saying he is the best Center prospect in years. Centers dont get drafted in the top 10 though
Charles Cross OT - Miss State Some have him ranked as the #2 O lineman in the draft behind Neal
Kenyon Green IOL - Texas A&M
Shoot, these two might be the first two picks of the draft…
If the two OLinemen are the best players available, take them. Don’t draft skill players just because they’re skill players.
If we think Thomas can handle the LT spot, then I'm ok going unorthodox and drafting a center in the top 10 if they think he is really that good.
One point on drafting skill guys.
While we have used a lot of capital on skill players in recent years, if the guys we have drafted(or signed via UFA) didn't pan out, then we should look to upgrade those positions.
End of the day, and my buddy mocks me for saying this every year, but if they player pans out, it really doesn't matter what position they are, or if you reached a bit for that player. Our problem has been our picks haven't panned out, whether that be RB, QB, OL, WR, DB, or DL(some moderate success there).
That said, at least one of those top picks needs to be an OL.
One point on drafting skill guys.
While we have used a lot of capital on skill players in recent years, if the guys we have drafted(or signed via UFA) didn't pan out, then we should look to upgrade those positions.
End of the day, and my buddy mocks me for saying this every year, but if they player pans out, it really doesn't matter what position they are, or if you reached a bit for that player. Our problem has been our picks haven't panned out, whether that be RB, QB, OL, WR, DB, or DL(some moderate success there).
That said, at least one of those top picks needs to be an OL.
Atlanta might be looking for Ryan's successor. Wonder if the Giants could trade their second 1st rd. pick, go down 2 spots, let Atlanta jump ahead of Washington if Corral or Pickett are still available., pick up another 3rd rd. pick and still get Linderbaum.
Why won't anyone reply here? Jones is mediocre, OL issues or not, and there's barely a handful of QBs you'd take Jones over.
Why would Atlanta need to jump WFT?
Heinecke has been alright this year.
65% completion
3052 yards
20td to 14int
6-7 as starter
At 6-9 WFT still in the playoff pictute with 2 more potential wins (Philly, @Giants).
No way are they set with Heinecke. Remember he's only playing because Johnson got hurt. They will be aggressive in the Russel Wilson, Matt Ryan, and (potentially) Aaron Rogers sweepstakes.
"Giants defensive back Logan Ryan spent three seasons in Tennessee, but likely won’t be welcomed back to Nashville for any future team reunions. Despite two playoff appearances in his three years as a Titan, Ryan didn’t love his time in Tennessee — because of the fan base, or lack thereof"
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Former Titan Logan Ryan Rips Tennessee Fan Base
Giants defensive back Logan Ryan spent three seasons in Tennessee, but likely won't be welcomed back to Nashville for any future team reunions. Despite two playoff appearances in h
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What is the point of saying this? Just talk about your team, not the fans in some other city. Nobody around here cares. Shut up and play dude."Giants defensive back Logan Ryan spent three seasons in Tennessee, but likely won’t be welcomed back to Nashville for any future team reunions. Despite two playoff appearances in his three years as a Titan, Ryan didn’t love his time in Tennessee — because of the fan base, or lack thereof"
Former Titan Logan Ryan Rips Tennessee Fan Base
Giants defensive back Logan Ryan spent three seasons in Tennessee, but likely won't be welcomed back to Nashville for any future team reunions. Despite two playoff appearances in h
Not really sure what type of response you are expecting. I think most would agree that Jones is not any type of established commodity at QB and is probably at or near the bottom in terms of productivity.
The question is, what do you do going forward? The team is already pretty capped out next year with minimal flexibility and the O-line is probably at the bottom in terms of performance as well.
OL takes another hit
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Price away from Giants after wife's pregnancy loss
New York Giants starting center Billy Price has taken time away from the team and is doubtful for Sunday's game at Chicago after sharing in an Instagram post that his wife, Taylor, suffered a miscarriage 15 weeks into her pregnancy.
Was watching the weather channel
Bears fans crushing Miller Lites in a tailgate.
What an awful game , 4-11 vs 5-10 for two of the richest teams in the league.
Pathetic
Bears fans crushing Miller Lites in a tailgate.
What an awful game , 4-11 vs 5-10 for two of the richest teams in the league.
Pathetic
I'm getting close to seeing what the Jets are doing.
I'm 100% going to switch to the Devils game at 3PM.
I picked up the Bears for the finals of my fantasy playoffs.
I might as well get some benefit from this game.
Here a really sad and disturbing point I don’t think has been brought up. Gettleman has so completely screwed up the cap with bad free agent signings that despite likely having two, high first round picks and multiple picks, the Giants are the second worst team positioned for cap money. In order to sign these rookies, they have to trade or cut veterans. This is a big rebuild
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