Oregon State, WSU, Boise, Fresno, CSU, SDSU to start. Add a few schools like UNLV, Hawaii, maybe talk to a few FCS powers like Montana or NDSU if they want to move up to FBS, and that's actually a pretty decent G5 conference.
OT: PAC-2 About To Raid The Mountain West
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Oregon State, WSU, Boise, Fresno, CSU, SDSU to start. Add a few schools like UNLV, Hawaii, maybe talk to a few FCS powers like Montana or NDSU if they want to move up to FBS, and that's actually a pretty decent G5 conference.
Good on the PAC 12. I’m surprised UNLV isn’t on the list. They have a relatively strong brand and a good rivalry with Fresno State.
I’m always a bit surprised that New Mexico always rates so low. They are a flagship state university. OTOH, NM has a small population and is poor - also isolated.
SJSU makes sense as a big market school, but the Spartans have always been low ambition in their sports programs.
Hawaii makes sense, as does adding one or more Texas schools - UTEP.
Here’s my idea for a ten-team conference:
Wazzou
OSU
Boise St
Colorado St
Air Force
Memphis
Tulane
SDSU
FSU
UNLV
This is a pretty nice conference, IMO. A baller move would be to add Gonzaga and St Mary’s for all other sports.
I’m bummed to see the MWC break up - another conference shot to hell. But the MW remainders may be able to grab some schools from the further-weakened AAC and CUSA.
I’m always a bit surprised that New Mexico always rates so low. They are a flagship state university. OTOH, NM has a small population and is poor - also isolated.
SJSU makes sense as a big market school, but the Spartans have always been low ambition in their sports programs.
Hawaii makes sense, as does adding one or more Texas schools - UTEP.
Here’s my idea for a ten-team conference:
Wazzou
OSU
Boise St
Colorado St
Air Force
Memphis
Tulane
SDSU
FSU
UNLV
This is a pretty nice conference, IMO. A baller move would be to add Gonzaga and St Mary’s for all other sports.
I’m bummed to see the MWC break up - another conference shot to hell. But the MW remainders may be able to grab some schools from the further-weakened AAC and CUSA.
I think UNLV is the most logical pick to get to 7. I like Hawaii as the 8th member. From there the new Pac-12 can get selective. Do they want TX schools like UTSA or Texas State? Maybe Air Force or Wyoming to pair with CSU? Call NDSU, Montana or South Dakota State to move up to FBS? I'm interested to see how things play out.
The airport is right near the University. New Mexico isn't isolated. Much easier to get to than Hawaii.
Ironic
In the future, Washington State and Oregon State could be added to the ACC or Big 12.
So where does that leave the new Pac 8 and MW Conference if/when WSU and OSU depart.
Changing landscape of college football.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
In the future, Washington State and Oregon State could be added to the ACC or Big 12.
So where does that leave the new Pac 8 and MW Conference if/when WSU and OSU depart.
Changing landscape of college football.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Seems like these "scheduling agreements" are kisses of death.
I think they're "hoping" that they can convince Cal and Stanford to reverse course and rejoin the Pac "10", 12 or whatever it turns into. Since Cal and Stanford are already in the region, it makes no sense for them to stay in the ACC.
It sounds like the ACC may be bracing itself for an exit of some schools, which would dismantle that current group of schools.
My guess is Stanford, Cal and perhaps UNLV, SMU and 2 others remake the Pac 12. ACC will lose 4 schools, minimum with this next go-around.
Pie in the sky is they get Colorado Utah away from the Big 12, but Colorado and Utah would probably wait for the B1G to call.
It sounds like the ACC may be bracing itself for an exit of some schools, which would dismantle that current group of schools.
My guess is Stanford, Cal and perhaps UNLV, SMU and 2 others remake the Pac 12. ACC will lose 4 schools, minimum with this next go-around.
Pie in the sky is they get Colorado Utah away from the Big 12, but Colorado and Utah would probably wait for the B1G to call.
Was there any chance that the MWC could’ve taken OSU and WSU into the conference? If that was an option, it proves that the MWC has been run by imbeciles all these years and it finally caught up to them. How the hell does does a two team conference raider a legit G5 conference to death.
No, because those two carried the PAC name, license, media deals. Barring and invite from a power conference to merge, PAC was always going to raid a lower conference just like what others did to our old BE/AAC. MWC was hoping to merge and take on the PAC name, so this is their nightmare scenario...
Over/under on when UConn is talked about as an expansion candidate for the new Pac-12? The BY will be a good laugh about that.
I think UNLV, Wyoming, UTSA, maybe a NDSU are possibilities.
Stanford and Cal are tied by the ACC bylaws, GOR etc...until FSU's lawsuit defines how much and how it can be broken. Besides if those schools wanted to stick with Oregon St and WSU, they could have back then but they didn't because they wanted to be associated with different schools besides those in the MWC.
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I think UNLV has to be in it, surprised they weren't in this first group. They've got a market and association with Allegiant Stadium which can be helpful to the conference. Barry Odom is showing the football team can have potential with the right coach. Rushed for 500yds this past weekend.
I think Hawaii is too far but who knows. I think a UTSA, Wyoming maybe a FCS like NDSU if they want to step up could be possible. I could see AF too possibly.
So the G5 conferences (which receives an automatic Top 12 playoff spot) get watered down even more?
The P4 could have 100 teams and people would still say "but what about the 29 teams in the G5?? They need access!!"
The P4 could have 100 teams and people would still say "but what about the 29 teams in the G5?? They need access!!"
What's watered down? It's essentially the same teams in the G5 rearranging themselves.
I'd be surprised if they go as far east as Tulane or Memphis. I think Texas might be as far east as they'd go but we'll see.
I think UTSA and North Texas make the most sense out of TX schools. AAC can backfill with someone like UTEP or Old Dominion.
I don't even know if they'd enter Texas but I think that's as far east as they'd come and if they did UTSA seems the most likely then North Texas, Texas State after that imo.
So with this reconstituted PAC-12, they aren’t going to go back to 6 auto playoff bids?
Claim there is a P5 again and not a P4?
I could easily see that occurring.
Can’t you?
“The league lost its designation as an autonomous/power conference, a moniker that gave it more voting privileges within NCAA governance and more revenue in the CFP distribution model. It is unclear if the conference could regain such a designation.”
The answer should be a clear no, shouldn’t it?
A rose by any other name….
It’s still a conference filled with G5 teams - despite the conference name.
The answer should be a clear no, shouldn’t it?
A rose by any other name….
It’s still a conference filled with G5 teams - despite the conference name.
I'm sure they'll try but I don't know that they'll get it. The reconfigured PAC12 starts officially July 1, 2026. This current CFP contract ends around the same time. Officially this current CFP format isn't even a given past the next 2 years, although I tend to think they will largely stick with it.
The "new PAC12" may ask for an A5 designation but I'm not sure they will get it, maybe they throw them a bone in terms of money split but I don't know if they will get on in terms of a bid but we'll see. If they had reconfigured quickly, they may have a had a chance to hold onto it at least for these last 2 years of the CFP contract but now that time has passed I think it'll be an uphill climb for them.
Lol NOW the Pac-12 decides to be proactive. Had they done that a decade ago, they wouldn't have been carved up by the B1G and Big 12 like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Except the high end teams are highly concentrated into 2 conferences. The Pac-12 winner is going to be fringe top 20.
Tulane (NOLA Football), UNLV (Stadium, Growing sports region), UTSA (Texas Football/ Stadium), NDSU (Football Legacy Program) would be ideal for the PAC XX…
As much as I would’ve loved Hawaii to join, their lack of a Mediu/ Big stadium kills them.
The G5 has made it into the top 10 in the past but I do think it's harder now with the best G5s being absorbed into the P4. Also portal and NIL makes it harder for them to hang onto their rosters, although Jeanty looking good at Boise this year and he stayed after rushing for 1300yds last year.
I think most years, the top team in the G5 might be 15-25 range but say hypothetically Boise beat Oregon last week (almost did) and went on to be undefeated. I think they would have gone higher than that range possibly just knocking on the door of or just inside the top 10. So I think most years 15-25, with occasionally a little higher.
Which is OK, but then compare relative 2nd teams in each conf.
I don't have a full grasp of playoff format ramifications, and I do like that smaller teams get a bid, but I don't like the very top heaviness of the reshuffle.
I'll be surprised if there's any change to the 5 highest ranked conference champs getting a bid. So that's the P4 and the top rated G5(6) essentially ever year, unless a P4 conference (ACC or B12) really has a clunker year.
From the article:
The six Pac-12 members will collaboratively chart and vote on any additional members and other future conference business.
Who are the candidates? That’s to be determined, sources told Action Network.
The Pac-12 could pursue two more Mountain West schools — UNLV and Air Force would be at the top of that list, sources said. Or the Pac-12 could hope (and pray) that somehow Cal and Stanford decided to leave the ACC and return to their Pac-12 roots.
Or maybe the Pac-12 could look to grab two schools from the AAC — maybe Memphis and/or Tulane — or from another Group of Six league. Or does it take a chance on an FCS school, such as FCS juggernauts North Dakota State or South Dakota State?
Going forward, the Pac-12 will not be considered a “power conference,” as far as receiving its share of College Football Playoff revenue. It will be part of the new Group of Six. However, the Pac-12 would potentially be in contention every season to receive one of the top five automatic conference championship berths, similar to how the Mountain West does now.
Dennis Dodd (not the most reliable) kind of alluded to that as a possibility. AAC and new PAC12 ripping apart most of the left overs of the MWC. Will Pernetti try to be aggressive?
So they are not a "power" conf anymore, which given their current lineup, makes sense.
No. They might have had a chance to hang onto it these last 2 years of the CFP contract, if they reconfigured quickly enough but they didn't/couldn't so I don't expect it to come back to that status anymore.
Others here also typed UTSA as a potential PXX member. So I figured to also add Tulane. Unless there’s extra money involved, I think NOLA is as far east id go.
They should invite Florida State.
Yes, there was a chance. There had been talk of a "reverse merger" - WSU and OSU join the MWC, which would be rebranded as the PAC-12. As I recall the reporting, the MWC was amenable to this, but only on an "all or nothing" basis. Meaning that all MWC members had to be included and none would be left behind. Obviously, that fell through.
I think the point you are missing is that the PAC-12 (or PAC-2 if you prefer) is flush with cash. That's how they can pull off this raid.
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