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I want to lodge a complaint.

Like many people these days, I regularly use a variety of streaming apps on my TV and devices. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Vudu, Paramount+, HBO Max, Disney+, Hulu, etc. And, for reasons that escape me, these apps, which should be mind-numbingly easy to build from a usability standpoint, pretty much all suck big-time.

Sure, most are pretty good at streaming, which I suppose is the most important thing. But the user experience in most of these apps is among the worst in the digital world. It's like they hired their UI/UX designers from the MC Escher school of straightforwardness.

First of all, they're constantly adding new "features" nobody was asking for, which always make the experience much worse.

For example, WTF made the app developers think that making the currently selected item on a list expand (e.g. in Amazon Prime) and pause, as you navigate across the list using one's TV remote, would be a good thing to do? All it does is interrupt the user who is trying to navigate quickly across the list and choose something to watch. Idiocy. FFS, cut it out!

Then there's the long-standing irritants.

Such as, who decided to not give users an easy way to remove stuff from the "keep watching" list? We give a show a try, decide we don't like it. No biggie, right? Except now we're stuck with a lifetime reminder of our bad choices in potential new entertainment. Thanks for that. As if I didn't already feel bad enough about my life choices, such as my choice to be a couch potato, fighting your crappy app, instead of doing something productive for once. Here, raise my monthly subscription fee, you really earned it.

Or like how Netflix places the exit button all the way down and right so users have to click a dozen times to get to it. Everybody else just lets us back-button out of the app. Some ask for confirmation when we do that, which is it's own annoyance since if we didn't mean to exit, we can just go back into the app. But okay, whatever, at least it's only the one extra click.

It's like a couple stoned UI developers Netflix decided to screw with us users for the laughs. "Hey man, let's move the exit button so users have to spend half their lifetime navigating to it. Yeah dude, that'd be totally awesome!".

Or, and this is a personal favorite, WTF can't Vudu provide a "start over" button for movies I've already watched. Instead, I need to start the movie, which starts up at the credits at the end, then use the scene selector to move to the start of the damn movie. Are you effing kidding me with this shit? People have been complaining to them about that for years. Just reuse the damn scene selector feature's logic and stick a new button on it. But do they fix it? Noooooooo!

Aaaaaaagh! 😡
 
On Netflix or any app for that matter I just back button out of it. I don't even know where the exit button is lol. Also on Netflix you can shut off the previews from auto playing on the selected tile. You can also remove items from your continue watching list. I don't use Prime as much so not as familiar to see if you can remove those "annoyances" lol.
 
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I hate that you can't record a live sporting event on Peacock. If you start a half hour late you have to jump in live. They do offer a replay later on where you can start from beginning but not ideal. And their fast forward sucks compared to Comcast where you can actually see what you're fast forwarding through instead of guessing where you'll end up.
 
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On Netflix or any app for that matter I just back button out of it. I don't even know where the exit button is lol. Also on Netflix you can shut off the previews from auto playing on the selected tile. You can also remove items from your continue watching list. I don't use Prime as much so not as familiar to see if you can remove those "annoyances" lol.
What model/year TV do you have?

On my TV that I use the most, it's just not possible to back out of the Netflix app. I have to use the exit button (bottom of the screen all the way right). But all the others allow backing out.

I keep setting previews off on Netflix, but they keep coming back on their own. And I've tried to find settings to control some of the annoyances in the other apps too. But most have no settings for what I want to adjust.

Part of the problem is probably that my TV, a Sony 75" one, is at least 5 years old now. So I've been wondering if android and app updates are less frequent than for newer models. I've been meaning to get a bigger one for the FR anyway, so perhaps now is the time.

Still, the overall app designs suck. I want to be presented with a simple list of all choices from which to select. The list should be dynamically sortable and groupable, as opposed to them forcing me to live with their idea of how I want all the options grouped. And it should remember my sorting/grouping configuration.

What really should happen is all the entertainment companies should be forced to publish their show data in a standardized format so that TV and other device manufacturers can pull that data into their own cross-app user interface. Then we use one unified user interface to search for, select, manage, etc. all the content, regardless of the app.
 
I hate that you can't record a live sporting event on Peacock. If you start a half hour late you have to jump in live. They do offer a replay later on where you can start from beginning but not ideal. And their fast forward sucks compared to Comcast where you can actually see what you're fast forwarding through instead of guessing where you'll end up.
That'll become more pressing next season, I think. Or whenever the new Big Ten TV contracts go into effect since, IIRC, some of the Big Ten games will be on Peacock only.

The Big Ten app is pretty awful. Was a necessity for watching some early RUMBB games or I wouldn't have it.
 
my only pet peeve is the complicated nature of trying to surf across platforms.
Yeah. The Sony TV interface tries to bridge that. But it's really not a great effort by them. Again, this is on an at least 5 year old TV. Newer models may have much better UIs for doing it.
 
I still use Apple TV on my smart tvs… it just works and has an easy UI
I've never actually seen the Apple TV UI. But I'm sure works and is easy. However, what I'm talking about is the apps which run inside the Apple TV environment.

I want to point out that I'm not saying that the various streaming app UIs are complex. They aren't at all. They're all significantly dumbed down so as to be usable by even the least tech-savvy people.

But that's actually part of the problem for me. Such lowest-common-denominator UIs are always aggravating because, in part, they achieve their simplicity by removing options. They decide a bunch of stuff for us rather then letting us decide for ourselves.

I mostly hate that approach and would prefer more options. Kind of a Windows versus Mac debate.
 
Yeah. The Sony TV interface tries to bridge that. But it's really not a great effort by them. Again, this is on an at least 5 year old TV. Newer models may have much better UIs for doing it.
Does it use Google TV? I got a Sony last year, and the Google TV integration seems pretty good for searching across platforms.

That said, I haven't used it that extensively. I mostly just work within single apps.

Don't like Hulu's interface much. Amazon Prime works fine for me, though it does sometimes seem to obscure movies. Like I'll manually search entire genres, not find anything, then later different movies will pop up under "people also watched", and I'll wonder why I didn't find that during an hour-long search. Meanwhile, the home page movies are the same for months on end, including stuff I've already watched.
 
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I've never actually seen the Apple TV UI. But I'm sure works and is easy. However, what I'm talking about is the apps which run inside the Apple TV environment.

I want to point out that I'm not saying that the various streaming app UIs are complex. They aren't at all. They're all significantly dumbed down so as to be usable by even the least tech-savvy people.

But that's actually part of the problem for me. Such lowest-common-denominator UIs are always aggravating because, in part, they achieve their simplicity by removing options. They decide a bunch of stuff for us rather then letting us decide for ourselves.

I mostly hate that approach and would prefer more options. Kind of a Windows versus Mac debate.
The interface for the streaming apps are completely different within Apple TV as opposed to on the TV itself. Talking about Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc. using those apps on the tv itself is painful vs within Apple TV. That said it could be that I’m accustomed to the Apple TV as I’ve had it for years, previously I used the Amazon fire stick
 
Does it use Google TV? I got a Sony last year, and the Google TV integration seems pretty good for searching across platforms.

That said, I haven't used it that extensively. I mostly just work within single apps.

Don't like Hulu's interface much. Amazon Prime works fine for me, though it does sometimes seem to obscure movies. Like I'll manually search entire genres, not find anything, then later different movies will pop up under "people also watched", and I'll wonder why I didn't find that during an hour-long search. Meanwhile, the home page movies are the same for months on end, including stuff I've already watched.
Nope, not Google TV. Uses some apparently proprietary android based UI.
 
Anyway, it's "rantey" not "whiney". And I warned people in the thread subject line. 🙂
 
Anyway, it's "rantey" not "whiney". And I warned people in the thread subject line. 🙂
Ok. My bad. I'm the winey one as I opened a rainy day bottle and binging Netflix and prime with the wife. Only issues I've had is with the subtitles. ( Which is a good thing to turn on while she's talking over every key moment)
 
I have a 2 year old LG. it's not great

I can relate, our old Samsung UI was as useful as t*ts on bull.

And here's the frustrating thing. Pulling together a decent functional UI/UX just isn't all that hard to do right.

Getting streaming to work smoothly and reliably across all the multitude of networking infrastructure environments is WAY harder and they all, except Paramount+, seem to have figured that part out, for the most part.

Although, to be fair, the in-app UIs are what is easy to do. It's a lot harder to build cross-app functionality given the lack of a widely adopted, standardized data exchange format for streaming companies to publish the necessary data for device manufacturers to build upon.
 
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Ok. My bad. I'm the winey one as I opened a rainy day bottle and binging Netflix and prime with the wife. Only issues I've had is with the subtitles. ( Which is a good thing to turn on while she's talking over every key moment)
That's another thing. Subtitles. I never ever want them on. But lately, some of the apps keep deciding to turn them on, across some of my devices.

So I keep having to go and turn them back off.

Do the companies even test their software before uploading to the apple or android stores?

Hell, most porn websites have better functioning user interfaces. Uh... I mean, that's what my friend told me.
 
And here's the frustrating thing. Pulling together a decent functional UI/UX just isn't all that hard to do right.

Getting streaming to work smoothly and reliably across all the multitude of networking infrastructure environments is WAY harder and they all, except Paramount+, seem to have figured that part out, for the most part.

Although, to be fair, the in-app UIs are what is easy to do. It's a lot harder to build cross-app functionality given the lack of a widely adopted, standardized data exchange format for streaming companies to publish the necessary data for device manufacturers to build upon.
Bingo, there hasn't seemingly been any impetus for a standard. Its clear that the OS/TV manufacturers and service apps have historically developed completely independent of one another.
 
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That's another thing. Subtitles. I never ever want them on. But lately, some of the apps keep deciding to turn them on, across some of my devices.

So I keep having to go and turn them back off.

Do the companies even test their software before uploading to the apple or android stores?

Hell, most porn websites have better functioning user interfaces. Uh... I mean, that's what my friend told me.
Porn sites should focus on coordinating the moans and groans with the actual activity before ever thinking about subtitles. Besides anyone needing those has zero imagination.
 
Porn sites should focus on coordinating the moans and groans with the actual activity before ever thinking about subtitles. Besides anyone needing those has zero imagination.
I always turn off the sound and supply my own, straight from my imagination.

"Baaaaaa", I say, "Baaaa". Which means "yes" in human English.
 
I hate that you can't record a live sporting event on Peacock. If you start a half hour late you have to jump in live. They do offer a replay later on where you can start from beginning but not ideal. And their fast forward sucks compared to Comcast where you can actually see what you're fast forwarding through instead of guessing where you'll end up.
I could be wrong but I believe I am able to rewind a live broadcast in Peacock. For example, I watch all the FIS alpine events on the weekends. Since they are generally in Europe, they are a 6 hour time difference. When I wake up and if the broadcast is on, I just rewind and watch from the beginning. I hate that they split the ski rights with skiandsnowboardlive.com. You definitely cannot rewind those live broadcasts and have to wait for the replay.
 
What model/year TV do you have?

On my TV that I use the most, it's just not possible to back out of the Netflix app. I have to use the exit button (bottom of the screen all the way right). But all the others allow backing out.

I keep setting previews off on Netflix, but they keep coming back on their own. And I've tried to find settings to control some of the annoyances in the other apps too. But most have no settings for what I want to adjust.

Part of the problem is probably that my TV, a Sony 75" one, is at least 5 years old now. So I've been wondering if android and app updates are less frequent than for newer models. I've been meaning to get a bigger one for the FR anyway, so perhaps now is the time.

Still, the overall app designs suck. I want to be presented with a simple list of all choices from which to select. The list should be dynamically sortable and groupable, as opposed to them forcing me to live with their idea of how I want all the options grouped. And it should remember my sorting/grouping configuration.

What really should happen is all the entertainment companies should be forced to publish their show data in a standardized format so that TV and other device manufacturers can pull that data into their own cross-app user interface. Then we use one unified user interface to search for, select, manage, etc. all the content, regardless of the app.
I have like a 2 year old LG OLED and maybe an 7yr old Samsung 4K. I do agree the native apps on the tv seem to have issues after some time. That’s why for the Samsung I bought a Apple TV 4K after about 3-4 years and we use that now instead of the apps on the tv. Unfortunately at that time the remote that came with the Apple TV sucked imo and had to spend a little more on that silver Apple TV remote which came out later and has the circle and arrows to navigate as opposed to that track pad on the old remote.

For both the LG and Apple TV I either use the back button or the home button to come out of an app and back to the Home Screen. I do notice that the apps on the LG can be a little different or have some features that aren’t on the Apple TV apps. I took a look and removing selections from continue watching list is there for Netflix on the LG but not AppleTV. I’ve seen more options with subtitles too on the LG vs AppleTV. I don’t know why some features would be there for one device and not another.

Between the two I prefer the AppleTV in terms of navigation. The LG often has a little pointer that comes up for navigation which is useless as far as functionality imo. So often I have to press the circular pad on the LG remote to switch from that pointer to just the “normal” rectangular box navigation.
 
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And... another thing: when you attempt to exit some apps, they ask "Are you sure?" And then the default response is the highlighted button "No" not "Yes." Cracks me up. LOL.

Just a step above: "Would you like fries with that?"
 
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And... another thing: when you attempt to exit some apps, they ask "Are you sure?" And then the default response is the highlighted button "No" not "Yes." Cracks me up. LOL.

Just a step above: "Would you like fries with that?"
Pet peeve of mine too. "Yes, I'm sure. Why the F else did I hit the button!"

Don't think I've ever accidentally clicked out of a TV app. And it's not like I'd be losing valuable data.
 
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I have like a 2 year old LG OLED and maybe an 7yr old Samsung 4K. I do agree the native apps on the tv seem to have issues after some time. That’s why for the Samsung I bought a Apple TV 4K after about 3-4 years and we use that now instead of the apps on the tv. Unfortunately at that time the remote that came with the Apple TV sucked imo and had to spend a little more on that silver Apple TV remote which came out later and has the circle and arrows to navigate as opposed to that track pad on the old remote.

For both the LG and Apple TV I either use the back button or the home button to come out of an app and back to the Home Screen. I do notice that the apps on the LG can be a little different or have some features that aren’t on the Apple TV apps. I took a look and removing selections from continue watching list is there for Netflix on the LG but not AppleTV. I’ve seen more options with subtitles too on the LG vs AppleTV. I don’t know why some features would be there for one device and not another.

Between the two I prefer the AppleTV in terms of navigation. The LG often has a little pointer that comes up for navigation which is useless as far as functionality imo. So often I have to press the circular pad on the LG remote to switch from that pointer to just the “normal” rectangular box navigation.
I went with the metal remote as well, broke the original type twice lol
 
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What really should happen is all the entertainment companies should be forced to publish their show data in a standardized format so that TV and other device manufacturers can pull that data into their own cross-app user interface. Then we use one unified user interface to search for, select, manage, etc. all the content, regardless of the app.
Newest model of CHROMECAST has this feature. Compared to the original CHROMECAST it makes it a lot easier to use and see everything you have access to but at the end of the day it’s a cluster**** just like the rest of the app layouts you mentioned.
 
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(edit) FIRST: some devices have to use older apps. That is.. maybe Netflix makes a new app.. there are different platforms. Android TV (which is Roku and Google TV and some TV manufacturers).. Web OS (older afaik), Apple TV, and specific mfgs like Samsung with might roll their own OS. FOr example.. TCL was once Roku interface.. newer models are Google TV. So you may just be using older apps.. or newer apps who rely on features that your older TV cannot properly provide.

***** orig msg *****

The apps on a newer Samsung.. Q80?.. a QLED.. works pretty well. You can leave any app merely by hitting the home button to select a different app.. or source.

I have a cheap, but good, Series 6 TCL with a ROKU interface as teh TV menu system. Works nicely. I used to use Google TV but I find the Roku interface pretty good.

AFAIK.. these are all "Android TV".. well, certainly google TV is.

I wouldn't use teh TV web OS on an older TV if I were you. I'd bite the bullet and get a Google TV or ROKU device. Or as someone suggested above.. Apple TV or even the alleged best device for this.. Nvidia Shield. They still run the apps the companies make.. but they should be a speedy interface.
 
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I went with the metal remote as well, broke the original type twice lol
The old Apple TV remote I have still works, it's just that it was too overly sensitive for finer navigation like fast forward/rewind etc. I lowered the sensitivity to the lowest setting but it didn't help. The circular pad with arrows and button in the middle is much better for navigation.
 
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(edit) FIRST: some devices have to use older apps. That is.. maybe Netflix makes a new app.. there are different platforms. Android TV (which is Roku and Google TV and some TV manufacturers).. Web OS (older afaik), Apple TV, and specific mfgs like Samsung with might roll their own OS. FOr example.. TCL was once Roku interface.. newer models are Google TV. So you may just be using older apps.. or newer apps who rely on features that your older TV cannot properly provide.

***** orig msg *****

The apps on a newer Samsung.. Q80?.. a QLED.. works pretty well. You can leave any app merely by hitting the home button to select a different app.. or source.

I have a cheap, but good, Series 6 TCL with a ROKU interface as teh TV menu system. Works nicely. I used to use Google TV but I find the Roku interface pretty good.

AFAIK.. these are all "Android TV".. well, certainly google TV is.

I wouldn't use teh TV web OS on an older TV if I were you. I'd bite the bullet and get a Google TV or ROKU device. Or as someone suggested above.. Apple TV or even the alleged best device for this.. Nvidia Shield. They still run the apps the companies make.. but they should be a speedy interface.
My guess was the tv OS might be an issue with the Samsung I have. They're all tv manufacturers not software developers so I don't know how much effort they put into keeping things up to date with their OS or the native apps.

I just went with Apple TV because I'm used to it. But any of the "mainstream" streaming devices should be the same. It's more their bread and butter to keep their software and OS up to date, so I assume problems shouldn't arise as often.

That being said, so far the WebOS of the LG has been stable the 2 years or so I've had it. Unlike the older Samsung, I've had updates to the native streaming apps on the tv and at least a few to the WebOS itself. So hopefully they keep that up. If something does happen in the future, I'd probably just get another Apple Tv for it.
 
I hate streaming interfaces so much I won't even use them unless absolutely necessary - usually if streaming, my wife and I are watching some show or film together and she does all the frustrating navigation. I almost always stick to simply watching cable TV with our hundreds of regular channels and movie channels, surfing from start to finish and over again and again and again, pausing occasionally and stopping to watch once in awhile. Surfing isn't even a thing with streaming...

Also, no subtitles, even when it's a foreign language film?
 
(edit) FIRST: some devices have to use older apps. That is.. maybe Netflix makes a new app.. there are different platforms. Android TV (which is Roku and Google TV and some TV manufacturers).. Web OS (older afaik), Apple TV, and specific mfgs like Samsung with might roll their own OS. FOr example.. TCL was once Roku interface.. newer models are Google TV. So you may just be using older apps.. or newer apps who rely on features that your older TV cannot properly provide.

***** orig msg *****

The apps on a newer Samsung.. Q80?.. a QLED.. works pretty well. You can leave any app merely by hitting the home button to select a different app.. or source.

I have a cheap, but good, Series 6 TCL with a ROKU interface as teh TV menu system. Works nicely. I used to use Google TV but I find the Roku interface pretty good.

AFAIK.. these are all "Android TV".. well, certainly google TV is.

I wouldn't use teh TV web OS on an older TV if I were you. I'd bite the bullet and get a Google TV or ROKU device. Or as someone suggested above.. Apple TV or even the alleged best device for this.. Nvidia Shield. They still run the apps the companies make.. but they should be a speedy interface.
Yes, I also think the older TV thing is probably a big part of the problem. I know it is for sure, when it comes to ATMOS support and the VuDu app.

To watch full 4K movies with ATMOS, I need to use the Vudu app on the Xbox connected to the TV because the Vudu app on the TV itself won’t give me the option, even though the TV and my audio system clearly support it.

I side-loaded a different Vudu version to the TV, and that allowed me to bypass the block. But ultimately, Vudu figured out people were doing that and prevented that as well. That was apparently purely down to contractual agreements between Sony and Vudu. Because it obviously could work, just not with the Vudu version built specifically for Sony. Those bastards. Sony wants us to upgrade our TVs.

Most of the apps do work a bit better on the Xbox, but using an Xbox controller for tv/movie viewing sucks.
 
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