OT: Real Estate Question - Toms River/Brick and area

[yesrutgers01]

I know various town have been discussed in different threads. My wife is looking at us possible making our next move into this area. What would be the good/Bad/Ugly?

I am not worries about School Systems except for resale value down the road if we sell. It would be our primary home and not a rental purchase. Are there areas to avoid and why?

Thanks

 

[kupuna133]

I know various town have been discussed in different threads. My wife is looking at us possible making our next move into this area. What would be the good/Bad/Ugly?

I am not worries about School Systems except for resale value down the road if we sell. It would be our primary home and not a rental purchase. Are there areas to avoid and why?

Thanks

Yes we call those areas Brick and Toms River. I kid I kid.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Yes we call those areas Brick and Toms River. I kid I kid.

 

[T2Kplus20]

I know various town have been discussed in different threads. My wife is looking at us possible making our next move into this area. What would be the good/Bad/Ugly?

I am not worries about School Systems except for resale value down the road if we sell. It would be our primary home and not a rental purchase. Are there areas to avoid and why?

Thanks

Avoid that general area, the future may be bleak for it. Perhaps a little more north or south on the shore?

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Manaloking is the spot if you have the $$ (being in Franklin Lakes, $$$ might not be an issue)
Otherwise, what's the incentive to move down there for you? Close to ocean? Cheaper? Land?

Lot of variables

 

[T2Kplus20]

Manaloking is the spot if you have the $$ (being in Franklin Lakes, $$$ might not be an issue)
Otherwise, what's the incentive to move down there for you? Close to ocean? Cheaper? Land?

Lot of variables

+1
Overall, lots of better shore or near-shore towns than Toms River and Brick (even without worrying about the current risk to that area).

 

[yesrutgers01]

Avoid that general area, the future may be bleak for it. Perhaps a little more north or south on the shore?

someone had suggested Silverton Estates?

 

[yesrutgers01]

Manaloking is the spot if you have the $$ (being in Franklin Lakes, $$$ might not be an issue)
Otherwise, what's the incentive to move down there for you? Close to ocean? Cheaper? Land?

Lot of variables

down sizing and cost as we inch ourselves that much closer to retirement. Taxes and home prices are so much lower but being near the water is a perk. But- we also would hope to keep it manageable for seeing our Granddaughter who is in Jersey City

 

[T2Kplus20]

someone had suggested Silverton Estates?

That's still in Toms River. What about the Red Bank area? Little more north.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

down sizing and cost as we inch ourselves that much closer to retirement. Taxes and home prices are so much lower but being near the water is a perk. But- we also would hope to keep it manageable for seeing our Granddaughter who is in Jersey City

For a similar commute to JC, Hunterdon / Somerset is a bargin (Branchburg, Readington, Flemington)
Not as much to do there as the shore

Re. cheaper than FL and things to do, Rumson fits the bill (though not crazy cheaper for similar sized homes)
Manaloking is big $$
Brielle is a hidden gem
Shark River isn't bad
Lots of shore towns in Monmouith Co. that are near beach and decent priced (Bradley Beach, Monmouth Beach, Ocean Twp., etc.) that won't completely break the bank, especially if you're not worried about schoosl

 

[RU205]

I’m not a fan of Brick. It is congested and a lot of traffic all year but is worse in summer time.
Research:
1. Princeton Ave (near the boarder of Point Pleasant) has some nice houses.

2. Mantoloking Rd near the bridge. Closer to Mantoloking.

3. End of Drum Point Road near the water.

Silverton is also a solid areas in Tom’s River on the boarder of Brick.

 

[kupuna133]

For a similar commute to JC, Hunterdon / Somerset is a bargin (Branchburg, Readington, Flemington)
Not as much to do there as the shore

Re. cheaper than FL and things to do, Rumson fits the bill (though not crazy cheaper for similar sized homes)
Manaloking is big $$
Brielle is a hidden gem
Shark River isn't bad
Lots of shore towns in Monmouith Co. that are near beach and decent priced (Bradley Beach, Monmouth Beach, Ocean Twp., etc.) that won't completely break the bank, especially if you're not worried about schoosl

Agreed. If schools aren't an issue go with Red Bank, Neptune (Shark River Hills) Belmar Bradley. There is also Point Boro/Beach Wall, Brielle. Manasquan.

 

[yesrutgers01]

It just happens that a good friend of my wife lives at the very end of Driftwood Drive- last house on the Water. We are not going to pay that price but she was hoping to be fairly close.

 

[rutgersal]

I know various town have been discussed in different threads. My wife is looking at us possible making our next move into this area. What would be the good/Bad/Ugly?

I am not worries about School Systems except for resale value down the road if we sell. It would be our primary home and not a rental purchase. Are there areas to avoid and why?

Thanks

I’m actually looking at the same area, so I can get a house with a dock, so I don’t have to pay docking fees.

Biggest pro is

• Proximity to beach

Biggest Con is

• Traffic

 

[tom1944]

Over time my expectation is that almost all of Ocean County and Northern Burlington County will have a large Orthodox population. I do not believe the barrier island section areas of Ocean County will but the towns on the mainland and therefore the government officials in those towns will.

The reason I say Northern Burlington County is because my understanding is that significant acreage is being purchased there by Orthodox developers to build at the appropriate time.

You will have to decide if that matters to you. It will not happen in 1 to 5 years but within the next 20-30 years I would be surprised if Orthodox were not the overwhelming population of Ocean County and a significant portion of the population in Burlington County.

I think Southern Monmouth will also have a large population but the expense of property in Monmouth and less available land will curtail significant growth.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Over time my expectation is that almost all of Ocean County and Northern Burlington County will have a large Orthodox population. I do not believe the barrier island section areas of Ocean County will but the towns on the mainland and therefore the government officials in those towns will.

The reason I say Northern Burlington County is because my understanding is that significant acreage is being purchased there by Orthodox developers at to build atthe appropriate time.

You will have to decide if that matters to you. It will not happen in 1 to 5 years but within the next 20-30 years I would be surprised if Orthodox were not the overwhelming population of Ocean County and a significant portion of the population in Burlington County.

I think Southern Monmouth will also have a large population but the expense of property in Monmouth and less available land will curtail significant growth.

North Burlington Co? Haven't heard that before, but not illogical.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Over time my expectation is that almost all of Ocean County and Northern Burlington County will have a large Orthodox population. I do not believe the barrier island section areas of Ocean County will but the towns on the mainland and therefore the government officials in those towns will.

The reason I say Northern Burlington County is because my understanding is that significant acreage is being purchased there by Orthodox developers to build at the appropriate time.

You will have to decide if that matters to you. It will not happen in 1 to 5 years but within the next 20-30 years I would be surprised if Orthodox were not the overwhelming population of Ocean County and a significant portion of the population in Burlington County.

I think Southern Monmouth will also have a large population but the expense of property in Monmouth and less available land will curtail significant growth.

And, if / when that happens, those area's would then go to shit

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

North Burlington Co? Haven't heard that before, but not illogical.

Burlington is the largest county in NJ, borders Ocean/Monmouth, and has a ton of open land
I was always wondering why the Orthodox didn't go there instead of Ocean / Monmouth

 

[T2Kplus20]

Burlington is the largest county in NJ, borders Ocean/Monmouth, and has a ton of open land
I was always wondering why the Orthodox didn't go there instead of Ocean / Monmouth

Good point. Open land doesn't mean preserved land. Just that people haven't decided to build on it yet. The logic in my town has been.....all developable land will eventually be developed, so we need to preserve as much as possible as quickly as possible. This has been a bipartisan pursuit for the past 30 years.

 

[RU205]

Burlington is the largest county in NJ, borders Ocean/Monmouth, and has a ton of open land
I was always wondering why the Orthodox didn't go there instead of Ocean / Monmouth

That community started to move into Lakewood back in the 80s. Cheap land and directly off the parkway. Easier drive from Brooklyn.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Good point. Open land doesn't mean preserved land. Just that people haven't decided to build on it yet. The logic in my town has been.....all developable land will eventually be developed, so we need to preserve as much as possible as quickly as possible. This has been a bipartisan pursuit for the past 30 years.

You're in Monty right?
Love that place - hidden gem that's not hidden anymore. but like you said, keeping open land not preserved is the goal for all

I grew up in Readington
Similar situation - once Branchburg built on Stats farm, Flemington blew up and the Whitehouse portion put in Lake Cushetunk, the residents decided to go all in on preserving open land

I believe you have to have 5-6 acres to build there now, and good luck trying to get permits

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

That community started to move into Lakewood back in the 80s. Cheap land and directly off the parkway. Easier drive from Brooklyn.

I get that, i meant now
Instead of going into Southern Howell / Ocean Counties, Burlington (though a bit farther away) is wide open

 

[T2Kplus20]

You're in Monty right?
Love that place - hidden gem that's not hidden anymore. but like you said, keeping open land not preserved is the goal for all

I grew up in Readington
Similar situation - once Branchburg built on Stats farm, Flemington blew up and the Whitehouse portion put in Lake Cushetunk, the residents decided to go all in on preserving open land

I believe you have to have 5-6 acres to build there now, and good luck trying to get permits

Yes. Almost 40% of our town is preserved and protected. We passed a reoccurring open space tax in the last 90s which yields about $1.5m per year for land preservation. That's been the key to our success.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Yes. Almost 40% of our town is preserved and protected. We passed a reoccurring open space tax in the last 90s which yields about $1.5m per year for land preservation. That's been the key to our success.

Monty is a great town
Lots of open space, awesome schools/athletic programs, scenic, quiet, right off 206 without paying Princeton prices, and past the "bend" off 206

 

[NotInRHouse]

Agreed. If schools aren't an issue go with Red Bank, Neptune (Shark River Hills) Belmar Bradley. There is also Point Boro/Beach Wall, Brielle. Manasquan.

Red Bank High School is one of the top HS in Monmouth County, certainly better than Wall HS if not also Manasquan HS.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Burlington is the largest county in NJ, borders Ocean/Monmouth, and has a ton of open land
I was always wondering why the Orthodox didn't go there instead of Ocean / Monmouth

I always wondered why they didn't just move to Wyoming en masse. Control an entire state and two senate seats, they would basically have the entire US gov by the balls.

 

[NotInRHouse]

I know various town have been discussed in different threads. My wife is looking at us possible making our next move into this area. What would be the good/Bad/Ugly?

I am not worries about School Systems except for resale value down the road if we sell. It would be our primary home and not a rental purchase. Are there areas to avoid and why?

Thanks

The areas closer to the water (esp east of the parkway) are most immune to some of the issues discussed. If you're looking for raw proximity to the water and not necessarily schools, walkability, nightlife, restaurants going further south makes more sense.

 

[tom1944]

North Burlington Co? Haven't heard that before, but not illogical.

The area around Browns Mills is inexpensive in NJ land costs.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I always wondered why they didn't just move to Wyoming en masse. Control an entire state and two senate seats, they would basically have the entire US gov by the balls.

Not a bad option

 

[tom1944]

Burlington is the largest county in NJ, borders Ocean/Monmouth, and has a ton of open land
I was always wondering why the Orthodox didn't go there instead of Ocean / Monmouth

Lakewood made northern Ocean prime location for the Orthodox

 

[kupuna133]

Red Bank High School is one of the top HS in Monmouth County, certainly better than Wall HS if not also Manasquan HS.

I know. But where do the kids go for elementary and middle school? Those schools lack significantly. Lived in Red Bank until it was time to think about where we would send our kids to school. I know many teachers and administrators that told us to go to St. James, charter lottery or look elsewhere.

RBR's numbers are skewed because of the regionality (Little Silver, Shrewsbury) of the school and the special magnet programs they offer.

 

[TM514]

My first house lived in Lake Riviera 2009-2016. Nice area, 15-20 min to Point or Seaside. The best is going to beach spur of moment and still be able to do other activities. Dont have to block an entire day down the shore.

Traffic an issue they even built more since then. Sandy soil best for growing tomatoes and gardening too.

Area way too expensive now.

 

[tom1944]

I always wondered why they didn't just move to Wyoming en masse. Control an entire state and two senate seats, they would basically have the entire US gov by the balls.

Muslims or the Orthodox could probably do that with any State below a million people. You do not need the majority of people but if you do what the Orthodox do - come out to vote and all vote for the same person you end up winning.

Right now, in Jackson they win elections even though they are not the majority in town.

 

[mdk01]

I always wondered why they didn't just move to Wyoming en masse. Control an entire state and two senate seats, they would basically have the entire US gov by the balls.

Weather?

 

[Kbee3]

Muslims or the Orthodox could probably do that with any State below a million people. You do not need the majority of people but if you do what the Orthodox do - come out to vote and all vote for the same person you end up winning.

Right now, in Jackson they win elections even though they are not the majority in town.

What is the difference between "fundamentalist" and "orthodox" ?

 

[NotInRHouse]

Weather?

If I had to wear so many layers everytime I left the house, I'd rather live somewhere extremely cold.

 

[NotInRHouse]

I know. But where do the kids go for elementary and middle school? Those schools lack significantly. Lived in Red Bank until it was time to think about where we would send our kids to school. I know many teachers and administrators that told us to go to St. James, charter lottery or look elsewhere.

RBR's numbers are skewed because of the regionality (Little Silver, Shrewsbury) of the school and the special magnet programs they offer.

IMO house prices are guided by the high school more than anything. For example the part of Howell that goes to Colts Neck HS tends to have higher prices than the part that goes to Howell, even though both are good CNHS has more prestige, fair or not.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Muslims or the Orthodox could probably do that with any State below a million people. You do not need the majority of people but if you do what the Orthodox do - come out to vote and all vote for the same person you end up winning.

Right now, in Jackson they win elections even though they are not the majority in town.

I think Muslims tend to be more like non-Orthodox Jews...politics, religious and ethnic origin span too wide to have a singular effect. NJ already has one of the largest Muslim communities, but because it's so diverse, I rarely hear pols talking about it.

While there might be schisms between the Orthodox their political views still line up from what I can tell. Private school support, strong entitlements, pro-development.

 

[RUskoolie]

I know various town have been discussed in different threads. My wife is looking at us possible making our next move into this area. What would be the good/Bad/Ugly?

I am not worries about School Systems except for resale value down the road if we sell. It would be our primary home and not a rental purchase. Are there areas to avoid and why?

Thanks

There is a high association with autism and Brick. Think it's something in the water, be careful. Think of your grandkids.

 

[T2Kplus20]

There is a high association with autism and Brick. Think it's something in the water, be careful. Think of your grandkids.

This is true. And TR is associated with various types of cancer.