OT: Tiger with no recollection of accident!

[greenknight]

Me too..
Oscar, Bowa, McCarver, Vuk, Clemente, Stargell, Sanquillen, Cash, Oliver and Doc Ellis all in the same game. Thats an All-Star team. Check the batting averages of the first 6 Pirates. All over .300!

He was such a character and interacted with you during BP and in on deck circle. I went to like 15 games with my sister's company seats 2nd row on left corner of Yankees dugout. I think George Steneibrenners Box seats were right next to these at least that is what the attendants told us. Great seats but Oscar was the man. Took a picture with Jim Palmer there as well before one of the games

 

[zappaa]

He was such a character and interacted with you during BP and in on deck circle. I went to like 15 games with my sister's company seats 2nd row on left corner of Yankees dugout. I think George Steneibrenners Box seats were right next to these at least that is what the attendants told us. Great seats but Oscar was the man. Took a picture with Jim Palmer there as well before one of the games

Manager’s box seats are either in the first box left or right of the dugout.
Very dangerous place for kids, on deck hitters often reminded occupants to pay complete attention to the game and their kids

 

[RUChoppin]

Except that he accelerated a lot from the last view before the crash. Normally you fall asleep your foot comes off the pedal.

Only time I've truly fallen asleep in the road was late at night on 78 westbound out by exit 36 or so. I opened my eyes and had been accelerating right up the butt of a car in front of me in the middle lane, the only other car on the road. Slammed hard on the brakes and spun out, coming to a stop in the middle of the highway perpendicular to the lanes with my heart racing.

The car in front of me had pulled off to the shoulder some ways ahead to see if I was okay. Thankfully the road was empty and no one was coming up behind me.

So, from personal experience, you can definitely accelerate while asleep at the wheel, especially if you are already going downhill as Woods was.

 

[zappaa]

Only time I've truly fallen asleep in the road was late at night on 78 westbound out by exit 36 or so. I opened my eyes and had been accelerating right up the butt of a car in front of me in the middle lane, the only other car on the road. Slammed hard on the brakes and spun out, coming to a stop in the middle of the highway perpendicular to the lanes with my heart racing.

The car in front of me had pulled off to the shoulder some ways ahead to see if I was okay. Thankfully the road was empty and no one was coming up behind me.

So, from personal experience, you can definitely accelerate while asleep at the wheel, especially if you are already going downhill as Woods was.

Nodding at the wheel while driving on a highway is beyond scary.
You’re lucky when you get the chance to pull over and rest, if you don’t you’ll nod again

 

[RUChoppin]

Nodding at the wheel while driving on a highway is beyond scary.
You’re lucky when you get the chance to pull over and rest, if you don’t you’ll nod again

With the amount of adrenaline I had after that, I was a live wire the rest of the way home. That was back in my early twenties - since then, I've been much more conscious of my tiredness level, and have made a point to pull over to catch a quick nap when needed.

 

[WhiteBus]

Only time I've truly fallen asleep in the road was late at night on 78 westbound out by exit 36 or so. I opened my eyes and had been accelerating right up the butt of a car in front of me in the middle lane, the only other car on the road. Slammed hard on the brakes and spun out, coming to a stop in the middle of the highway perpendicular to the lanes with my heart racing.

The car in front of me had pulled off to the shoulder some ways ahead to see if I was okay. Thankfully the road was empty and no one was coming up behind me.

So, from personal experience, you can definitely accelerate while asleep at the wheel, especially if you are already going downhill as Woods was.

Lead foot! 😜
Find the TMZ video where a person on the production crew talks about Tiger speeding. He wasn't asleep at the wheel.

 

[greenknight]

Manager’s box seats are either in the first box left or right of the dugout.
Very dangerous place for kids, on deck hitters often reminded occupants to pay complete attention to the game and their kids

Always had the glove Zap. Lol. Those seats were awesome. I had them go over our head like 15 rows but nothing close to us. But yeah that right handed batter late on a fastball or that defensive swing to stay alive you could definitely lose a few chicklets over there

 

[Ronnie_B]

This theory makes sense, would also explain why Tiger didn't recall the accident:

Forensic experts suggest Tiger Woods may have fallen asleep at the wheel

Tiger Woods appeared to not be paying attention in the moments before his devastating crash – and may have fallen asleep at the wheel of the luxury SUV he was driving.

nypost.com

 

[patk89]

Mike "The Hit Man" Easler.

 

[BigWill]

These guys are as 'expert' about the accident as Dr Flip Flop is/was about the Wuhan virus.

Get your name in the paper and get more business or Brad Pitt playing you....

 

[WhiteBus]

Police get warrant for black box from the car Tiger crashed.

 

[Postman_1]

Police get warrant for black box from the car Tiger crashed.

I saw this too. Is this normal procedure for cars with these devices?

 

[WhiteBus]

I saw this too. Is this normal procedure for cars with these devices?

I don't know. My first thought was maybe they are going to look at it closer for some reason. Most people get some kind of ticket for an accident where emergency services are needed.

 

[beaced]

No harm (to anyone else), no foul.

Move along.

Maybe, just maybe one of these celebs will hire a driver and text to their heart's content from the back seat.....with their seat belt on....

I see jobs all the time for retired Law Enforcement as drivers in NYC and surrounding area.
It's paying a nice number these days, more for armed. part time (unarmed) is around 35 an hour, full time 70K.

My old Security Co has 2 guys that go with a Saudi Prince who lives in NYC, full time 100 K each.
Bloomberg hired his NYPD security detail when he left Mayor's Office. They all retired at 50 % pay from NYPD and Mike hired them at 100 K each. They even protect him in Bermuda and a few go with his Daughter everywhere she travels. About a dozen guys in total, but it's a business expense.

An old friend,who lifted with us, was one of Jerry Lewis's body guards. Back in the Day.Said that Jerry never wore a pair of pants twice. Gave them away.

 

[red sail]

An old friend,who lifted with us, was one of Jerry Lewis's body guards. Back in the Day.Said that Jerry never wore a pair of pants twice. Gave them away.

Must be nice to never have to wear the same pair of pants twice. Me ... I still have a tshirt from my 19th Birthday that my buddies gave to me that said: "It's my Birthday ... Show me your T*Ts"
I could probably get away with wearing it now at my age ... it works for Cuomo and he's not in jail.

 

[B1GRUfan]

Stargell, Oliver, Sanguillan, Stennett.
Off the top of my head.
We had, Bill Robinson, Mike Easler, John Milner, Lee Lacy, Tony Armas, Dave Parker, Omar Moreno, Mitchell Page.
The Mets had Mike Vail and Stork Theodore,..lol

Man those are named from the past. I probably had most of those guys baseball cards.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I don't know. My first thought was maybe they are going to look at it closer for some reason. Most people get some kind of ticket for an accident where emergency services are needed.

My assumption is that it may be important to show this to be Tiger’s fault and not that of anything else for libel reasons.

 

[mildone]

My assumption is that it may be important to show this to be Tiger’s fault and not that of anything else for libel reasons.

Perhaps.

What I'm curious to learn is if there is evidence of a glitch in the car that led/contributed to the accident. Cars these days are, IMO, becoming a bit too reliant on software at too quick a pace.

The mechanical bits of cars have been around for so long that they are very well-understood and formulaic and it's become uncommon for a mechanical flaw to cause an accident (it happens, but not nearly as often as it did decades ago). But manufacturers are really throwing a ton of software into automotive designs these days, and for stuff that's critical to safety (like braking systems).

It's not out of the realm of possibility that the SUV had a software-related braking, or other system, failure. The GV80 is not a hybrid, so it's not using software to manage brake by wire. But that doesn't mean that Hyundai, like most other auto-manufacturers, isn't pushing more and more software control over even basic systems, such as ABS which is controlled by the ECU (typically).

Not saying I think there was such a glitch. But it's a weird accident, by all accounts I've heard so far at least.

 

[BigWill]

Run of the mill mv accident that probably happens 1,000 times a day in the US.

He was very lucky to just bust up a leg. I noted all of the air bags that had deployed.

IF it wasn't Tiger or Bruce or Teddy Kennedy, nobody would give a poop.

 

[mildone]

Run of the mill mv accident that probably happens 1,000 times a day in the US.

He was very lucky to just bust up a leg. I noted all of the air bags that had deployed.

IF it wasn't Tiger or Bruce or Teddy Kennedy, nobody would give a poop.

From what I've heard, the fact that there are no skid marks looks a little weird. People are assuming he fell asleep or was texting or something else that is his fault. And those are possibilities. But given the circumstances, I kind of doubt he fell asleep or was drunk or on debilitating drugs. If texting, I'd have thought there'd be evidence of him braking at the last minute.

Mostly, though, I still don't give a poop even though it's Tiger. Only reason I'm curious is to see if there was a car problem because the Genesis GV70 and GV80 are on my list of SUVs to look at and maybe test drive, along with a bunch of others.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

No injuries but Tiger = low priority to spend time investigating.

plus,

Perhaps.

What I'm curious to learn is if there is evidence of a glitch in the car that led/contributed to the accident. Cars these days are, IMO, becoming a bit too reliant on software at too quick a pace.

The mechanical bits of cars have been around for so long that they are very well-understood and formulaic and it's become uncommon for a mechanical flaw to cause an accident (it happens, but not nearly as often as it did decades ago). But manufacturers are really throwing a ton of software into automotive designs these days, and for stuff that's critical to safety (like braking systems).

It's not out of the realm of possibility that the SUV had a software-related braking, or other system, failure. The GV80 is not a hybrid, so it's not using software to manage brake by wire. But that doesn't mean that Hyundai, like most other auto-manufacturers, isn't pushing more and more software control over even basic systems, such as ABS which is controlled by the ECU (typically).

Not saying I think there was such a glitch. But it's a weird accident, by all accounts I've heard so far at least.

would be pretty speculative to assume the mechanical design or software had anything to do with this, and i wonder if the black box info from the car will ever go public, or if Tiger could suppress it, if it turned out Tiger was driving recklessly..

and no way Hyundai wants to be on Tiger's bad side.

that said, your post reminded me of the Boeing 737 Max issues.

as i understand it, Boeing, in fitting the bigger engines on a plane designed for the smaller engines they originally carried, and not being high enough off the ground for the larger engines to fit, gerryrigged the larger engines onto the wing anyway, and in so doing, changed it's aerodynamics in such a way as to make it more prone to stall.

then instead of redesigning the plane with more ground clearance to accommodate bigger engines, they instead put in a software override that forced the plane's nose down when the plane's software deemed the plane's pitch to be too steep, to keep it from stalling.

unfortunately, apparently the software forced the nose down in a few instances where it wasn't flying too steep, and wouldn't allow a manual override, or the pilots weren't properly trained how to do the override.

and being at that point there were so many 737 Maxes already out there, and orders for lots more, and capitalism being capitalism, Boeing decided to do a software and training fix as the solution, instead of correcting the underlying aerodynamics problem created when they forced a physically larger engine onto a plane designed for a physically smaller engine, and without enough ground clearance to accommodate the larger engine without moving the engine higher up on the wing, creating the aerodynamics issue.

point being, instead of fixing the aerodynamics problem created by gerryrigging a larger engine onto it than the plane was originally designed for, they went with a software fix, then a software fix of the software fix, to hopefully negate the aerodynamics issue created by the larger engines..

 

[mildone]

plus,



would be pretty speculative to assume the mechanical design or software had anything to do with this, and i wonder if the black box info from the car will ever go public, or if Tiger could suppress it, if it turned out Tiger was driving recklessly..

and no way Hyundai wants to be on Tiger's bad side.

that said, your post reminded me of the Boeing 737 Max issues.

as i understand it, Boeing, in fitting the bigger engines on a plane designed for the smaller engines they originally carried, and not being high enough off the ground for the larger engines to fit, gerryrigged the larger engines onto the wing anyway, and in so doing, changed it's aerodynamics in such a way as to make it more prone to stall.

then instead of redesigning the plane with more ground clearance to accommodate bigger engines, they instead put in a software override that forced the plane's nose down when the plane's software deemed the plane's pitch to be too steep, to keep it from stalling.

unfortunately, apparently the software forced the nose down in a few instances where it wasn't flying too steep, and wouldn't allow a manual override, or the pilots weren't properly trained how to do the override.

and being at that point there were so many 737 Maxes already out there, and orders for lots more, and capitalism being capitalism, Boeing decided to do a software and training fix as the solution, instead of correcting the underlying aerodynamics problem created when they forced a physically larger engine onto a plane designed for a physically smaller engine, and without enough ground clearance to accommodate the larger engine without moving the engine higher up on the wing, creating the aerodynamics issue.

I wouldn't blame capitalism for what Boeing did. I'd blame Boeing. That kind of cover-up behavior is endemic to all systems of government because it's simple human nature to build systems that are subject to things like greed (in capitalism) or shifting blame to avoid punishment (in communism or socialism).

Hyundai's massively expensive EV recall to replace a problematic battery is an example of a company not avoiding responsibility, despite capitalism. Not that they really had much of a choice, in this case, I suppose. https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/24/hyundai-to-replace-kona-ev-battery-packs-recall/

Most systems of government could work just fine if all the people involved were just a bit less human. 😀

 

[i'vegotwinners]

I wouldn't blame capitalism for what Boeing did. I'd blame Boeing. That kind of cover-up behavior is endemic to all systems of government because it's simple human nature to build systems that are subject to things like greed (in capitalism) or shifting blame to avoid punishment (in communism or socialism).

Hyundai's massively expensive EV recall to replace a problematic battery is an example of a company not avoiding responsibility, despite capitalism. Not that they really had much of a choice, in this case, I suppose. https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/24/hyundai-to-replace-kona-ev-battery-packs-recall/

Most systems of government could work just fine if all the people involved were just a bit less human. 😀

not to totally get off the subject, but "capitalism", as defined in the dictionary, exists only in the dictionary, and no where else.

all countries are a hybrid of capitalism and socialism, as neither can successfully exist without the other. (and Boeing and Airbus would be interesting case studies of such).

when i say "capitalism", i'm referring to the algorithm of how corporations conduct themselves, not the hypothetical economic system that exist only in the dictionary.

 

[greenknight]

Run of the mill mv accident that probably happens 1,000 times a day in the US.

He was very lucky to just bust up a leg. I noted all of the air bags that had deployed.

IF it wasn't Tiger or Bruce or Teddy Kennedy, nobody would give a poop.

Let me tell you hes is for a world of pain for the next 6 months. Had a friend at work break hip, tibia,fibula knee cap falling off an electric scooter his leg was huge for 1 month after the fact. He didnt have massive compound fractures as Tiger plus the open wound to release pressure thru muscles. But he does have the titanium rod and lots of screws 8 months later he is still doing PT

 

[LETSGORU91]

He went off the paved road, across an unpaved median strip, where he hit a street sign, then continued across two lanes on the other side, before leaving the road again.... All in a straight line. . And no signs of breaking or evasive driving. That would have had to have been an incredibly engaging text conversation.

Simplest explanation is he was asleep at the wheel.

One would think after all that, any driver would have woken up at some point and either braked and/or made an evasive move. There was no steering influence along his travels. Why would he fall asleep at 7 am? Me thinks a medical issue causing him to blackout or under the influence of something that lulled him into oblivion. And yes, I do realize they didnt feel it was necessary investigate the latter, which is a little surprising to me.

 

[RUChoppin]

One would think after all that, any driver would have woken up at some point and either braked and/or made an evasive move. There was no steering influence along his travels. Why would he fall asleep at 7 am? Me thinks a medical issue causing him to blackout or under the influence of something that lulled him into oblivion. And yes, I do realize they didnt feel it was necessary investigate the latter, which is a little surprising to me.

They already cleared him of being under the influence. He has in the past said he suffers from a sleep disorder, though, so who knows.

 

[BigWill]

At the time the Sheriff declared him 'not under the influence' is bogus.

Tox screens are available from his medical records with a warrant only, unless Tiger allowed it without Court order. Not to mention the time it takes to get a Tox screen done.

 

[WhiteBus]

At the time the Sheriff declared him 'not under the influence' is bogus.

Tox screens are available from his medical records with a warrant only, unless Tiger allowed it without Court order. Not to mention the time it takes to get a Tox screen done.

I'm been wondering if the tox screen came back and this led to the warrant for the black box. Odd timing.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Police have found a cause to Tiger Woods' accident but wont release any information without his permission. If it was Joe Blow, some sort of reason would be made public. Can't make this stuff up.

 

[WhiteBus]

Police have found a cause to Tiger Woods' accident but wont release any information without his permission. If it was Joe Blow, some sort of reason would be made public. Can't make this stuff up.

Probably medical. If there was any drugs alcohol involved they can charge him and make it public. Guessing seizure of some kind. Would explain the acceleration and and loss of control.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Probably medical. If there was any drugs alcohol involved they can charge him and make it public. Guessing seizure of some kind. Would explain the acceleration and and loss of control.

Around here if someone passes out and gets into an accident, you hear about a "medical condition or event" occurring pretty quickly without being specific. Seizure is not a terrible guess, but if he has no prior history or medical condition favoring seizures, I dont know how they could arrive at that conclusion. I have seen people crying foul that no tox screen was done as Tiger said he doesnt even remember driving. I know the arriving officer had no suspicion of drugs or alcohol, but experts weren't even consulted to decide if a tox screen should have been administered. Maybe @BigWill would like to weigh in on the above highlighted.

"Villanueva's statement about privacy issues did not make sense to Joseph Giacalone, a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired New York City Police Department sergeant, who has criticized the sheriff's response to the Woods incident from the start.

“I don’t think I’ve ever seen a department ever ask for permission like that,” he said. “What happens if his lawyers say ‘no, you can’t send it out now.’ And then where does that leave us?”

Giacalone said it's unlikely that deputies would have sought the permission of non-celebrity victims in similar crashes to release information. If the sheriff's hesitancy stemmed from a potential medical episode behind the wheel, Giacalone said authorities could simply say it was a medical emergency without giving additional details."

 

[WhiteBus]

Around here if someone passes out and gets into an accident, you hear about a "medical condition or event" occurring pretty quickly without being specific. Seizure is not a terrible guess, but if he has no prior history or medical condition favoring seizures, I dont know how they could arrive at that conclusion. I have seen people crying foul that no tox screen was done as Tiger said he doesnt even remember driving. I know the arriving officer had no suspicion of drugs or alcohol, but experts weren't even consulted to decide if a tox screen should have been administered. Maybe @BigWill would like to weigh in on the above highlighted.

"Villanueva's statement about privacy issues did not make sense to Joseph Giacalone, a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired New York City Police Department sergeant, who has criticized the sheriff's response to the Woods incident from the start.

“I don’t think I’ve ever seen a department ever ask for permission like that,” he said. “What happens if his lawyers say ‘no, you can’t send it out now.’ And then where does that leave us?”

Giacalone said it's unlikely that deputies would have sought the permission of non-celebrity victims in similar crashes to release information. If the sheriff's hesitancy stemmed from a potential medical episode behind the wheel, Giacalone said authorities could simply say it was a medical emergency without giving additional details."

Tox screens were done so you can eliminate that. So have no clue why 3rd party people complaining.

 

[Andy117]

From what I've heard, the fact that there are no skid marks looks a little weird. People are assuming he fell asleep or was texting or something else that is his fault. And those are possibilities. But given the circumstances, I kind of doubt he fell asleep or was drunk or on debilitating drugs. If texting, I'd have thought there'd be evidence of him braking at the last minute.

Mostly, though, I still don't give a poop even though it's Tiger. Only reason I'm curious is to see if there was a car problem because the Genesis GV70 and GV80 are on my list of SUVs to look at and maybe test drive, along with a bunch of others.

I think if it was a car problem that would have been released.