OT: Tom Pecora out at Fordham
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rumblings all over tri-state area for hoops and coaches.....not at RU but appearing all over the tristate and elsewhere....
I mentioned to someone I stay in contact with regarding hoops and the "death blow" is to be publically fired....it's a black mark on the resume that you cannot overcome at most levels of College hoops coaching.....on the other hand, if you leave and take another job before you get fired and get your attorney's involved for a buyout and land another gig, you at least extend your shelf life.
Candidates that have "successfully" executed this transition in the last year are Tennessee's Cuonzo Martin, who would have assuredly been fired if he stayed another year at Tennessee without an NCAA bid, left a year ahead of the ax and bounced for Cal's job after Mike Montgomery left/retired......a year before that, Tuberville left Texas Tech and went to Cincinnati before Tech figured out that he would not win big at the B12....instead he gets a new deal in a place like Cincinnati, that is happy to have him and they are outside the Power 5 spotlight.....he can likely stay as long as he likes there.
I mentioned to someone I stay in contact with regarding hoops and the "death blow" is to be publically fired....it's a black mark on the resume that you cannot overcome at most levels of College hoops coaching.....on the other hand, if you leave and take another job before you get fired and get your attorney's involved for a buyout and land another gig, you at least extend your shelf life.
Candidates that have "successfully" executed this transition in the last year are Tennessee's Cuonzo Martin, who would have assuredly been fired if he stayed another year at Tennessee without an NCAA bid, left a year ahead of the ax and bounced for Cal's job after Mike Montgomery left/retired......a year before that, Tuberville left Texas Tech and went to Cincinnati before Tech figured out that he would not win big at the B12....instead he gets a new deal in a place like Cincinnati, that is happy to have him and they are outside the Power 5 spotlight.....he can likely stay as long as he likes there.
The other Patriot League teams will catch-up to Fordham in football. Fordham had a jump on all the other teams when it came to instituting "athletic scholarships" (starting the fall of 2010). The other Patriot League teams started in 2013.
Interestingly, Fordham tried the ex-NBA coach approach earlier in their A-10 tenure and it was a complete disaster. Does anybody remember former Knicks, Pacers and Spurs coach Bob Hill? His record at Fordham was probably worse than Pecora's.
There was a time when Fordham was one of RU's biggest games each season once we started playing them in the mid-1960s. Fordham needs to bring back Digger Phelps, LOL. They have done very little since he left for ND.
As for Fordham football, nobody really cares about that much at all. They play before home crowds that couldn't fill Rose Hill gym. I don't believe that they actually have a real stadium.
The MAAC is where their bball really belongs. At least they would have some natural rivals there.
Didn't Eddie jump in late once he arrived here to recruit a player who ultimately chose Fordham? I wonder what that person is thinking right now.
As for Fordham football, nobody really cares about that much at all. They play before home crowds that couldn't fill Rose Hill gym. I don't believe that they actually have a real stadium.
The MAAC is where their bball really belongs. At least they would have some natural rivals there.
Didn't Eddie jump in late once he arrived here to recruit a player who ultimately chose Fordham? I wonder what that person is thinking right now.
NYP"s Mike Vacc wrote this column today:
http://nypost.com/2015/03/18/fordham-fools-fated-to-same-sabotage-with-pecoras-replacement/
http://nypost.com/2015/03/18/fordham-fools-fated-to-same-sabotage-with-pecoras-replacement/
Everything is relative ecojew, but we're talking Patriot League football here, not the B1G. In 2013, the last year I could find official NCAA stats for, Fordham's average football home attendance was 6,277 - right in the middle of the pack in the Patriot League (close behind Lafayette and Holy Cross and ahead of Bucknell, Colgate and Georgetown - Lehigh was comfortably on top). In fact, Fordham football that year had better average home attendance than RU's men's and women's basketball teams combined.
"Except the men who run Fordham keep making the same mistake: They keep changing basketball coaches - almost all of whom have won elsewhere (such as Pecora, and his .552 winning percentage at Hofstra) - without changing the way the school conducts its basketball business. And until that happens, the results will stay precisely where they are. If they're lucky."
"The league is usually superb. It has also long been defined by strict stratospheres, regardless of the ever-shifting memberships. There are haves (once Temple and West Virginia, now Dayton and VCU). There are have-nots who occasionally venture into the land of the haves (Rhode Island, UMass, St. Louis). And then there are the schools that try to make a go of it without ever really making a go of it, relying as much on hope as anything (St. Bonaventure, Duquesne, Fordham).
It's a hell of a way to exist. Especially if you take a look at the facilities around the league, which range from authentically big-time (VCU, Dayton) to state-of-the-art (St. Louis, Davidson). The basketball budgets at the highest levels are far beyond what those at the bottom can either afford or choose to afford."
- Vaccaro
This post was edited on 3/18 4:45 PM by Aggs
"The league is usually superb. It has also long been defined by strict stratospheres, regardless of the ever-shifting memberships. There are haves (once Temple and West Virginia, now Dayton and VCU). There are have-nots who occasionally venture into the land of the haves (Rhode Island, UMass, St. Louis). And then there are the schools that try to make a go of it without ever really making a go of it, relying as much on hope as anything (St. Bonaventure, Duquesne, Fordham).
It's a hell of a way to exist. Especially if you take a look at the facilities around the league, which range from authentically big-time (VCU, Dayton) to state-of-the-art (St. Louis, Davidson). The basketball budgets at the highest levels are far beyond what those at the bottom can either afford or choose to afford."
- Vaccaro
This post was edited on 3/18 4:45 PM by Aggs
Fordham last made the NCAA tournament in 1992, one year more recently than RU's last appearance. That's pretty sobering considering how bad Fordham has been. Fordham actually won the Patriot League tournament back to back in 1991 and 1992, but they let it go to their heads, jumping to the A-10 shortly thereafter.
As for Pecaro and RU, I remember his name being mentioned but I don't remember anyone being super high on him.
As for Pecaro and RU, I remember his name being mentioned but I don't remember anyone being super high on him.
Should see if Severe is interested coming here. Also had 1 other good player.
Pecora was damaged goods from his unsuccessful stint at Hofstra--was never a viable choice here. The former Niagara coach was this close to reaching the CAA Finals this season in year 2.
Fordham should go back to Patriot League. Assume A-10 would then look for another local NY school to add.
Pecora was damaged goods from his unsuccessful stint at Hofstra--was never a viable choice here. The former Niagara coach was this close to reaching the CAA Finals this season in year 2.
Fordham should go back to Patriot League. Assume A-10 would then look for another local NY school to add.
LOL!! A one word post is spinning huh???
Methinks you read too much into things.
And you're wrong btw, as noted there people who mentioned Pecora as a candidate.
Being mentioned as a candidate versus RU fans wanting him here equals two entirely different things. So who are these people who wanted him at RU ?
do you think I remember individual posts from years ago?
and OK fine maybe you are right he was "mentioned". I do not recall specifically one person singing his praises as the savior.
Happy now?
Jeez was just answering the guys question.
I find that a lot of people that mention a candidate for a job also think he/she would be a good hire and sometimes state they want him.
But since I can't prove that, I'll say it's my opinion.
Just like someone telling me no one said Pecora would make a good HC for RU can positively state no one said that, unless he/she had proof.. So that that opinion and can be agreed with or taken with a grain of salt.
Rice would be better off if he keeps away from the NY/NJ Metro area if/ when he tries to get back into the College game.
Most schools in the Metro area won't be taking a chance on him for awhile , so I doubt Fordham is the only school that doesn't have the stones to hire MR.
Think Mike would thrive in a lower mid major and be able to be looked on more of a good HC than the Maniac
he's considered to be now. But he should start away from major media markets, keeping a low profile at first.
Agree. Rice is a non-starter. Can't see him getting back in even at this level. A more probable scenario (although not sure likely) is if the current Robert Morris coach gets an upgrade and they decide to give Rice another shot based on his performance (coaching and otherwise there). Of course that assumes the admins at Robert Morris are the same.
I know one ex-Fordham player and active alum that will be pushing for Mike Rice. I agree with him. Throwing a basketball at a player is not the crime of the century that should get you disbarred for life. Haven't you ever seen Hoosiers? I was also hoping Rowan or Monmouth would give Bannon a second chance. These are two good coaches who love the game and showed a little bad judgment that was blown out of proportion.
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