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Joe Nocera's article today (tomorrow in print) focuses on the scandal "looming" over UNC and the legend of Dean Smith. It seems Joe did not get all the facts, though. Well documented, per UNC's own response to its accreditation agency (SACS), the AFAM fake/"paper" class scam started in 1988-89, and some 23 of the first 25 students to benefit from the scam were Dean's BB players.

But, Nocera does for the first time raise the issue of the new scam at UNC, wherein its incoming FB players are being diagnosed with ADD/ADHD at a comically alarming rate, giving them a bunch of benefits that include take-home only tests, extended deadlines, note takers and readers, etc.

Anyway, see below or online at: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/s...t-struggles-with-a-scandals-fallout.html?_r=2

Be sure to read the comments. . . .
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Dean Smith’s Shadow Looms Over U.N.C. as It Struggles With a Scandal’s Fallout
By JOE NOCERA
FEB. 12, 2016

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — I hadn’t realized when I came here this week that Sunday marked the first anniversary of Dean Smith’s death. But I was quickly reminded; the front page of the University of North Carolina student newspaper, The Daily Tar Heel, featured a photograph of Smith, the legendary former U.N.C. men’s basketball coach, along with an article that was less about his 879 wins and two national championships than about “the lives he touched and the impact he left.”

I had come to Chapel Hill because I wanted to understand the effect of the terrible “paper class” scandal on the larger university community: the faculty, the alumni, the administration and others who care about what is undoubtedly one of the finest public universities in the country. What I wound up discovering is that there are two shadows hanging over U.N.C. One is the long shadow of the scandal. The other is the even longer shadow of Dean Smith.

If you follow college sports, you probably know about the paper class scandal, but, just in case, here’s a recap: In 2011, an academic counselor named Mary Willingham began telling Dan Kane, an investigative reporter with The News & Observer in Raleigh, that North Carolina athletes were being steered to sham independent studies classes that never met. Students were required only to turn in a paper that did not even have to be literate. The paper classes went back as far as the 1990s. The grades the athletes were given were always high enough to ensure they were eligible to play.

Incredibly, given that most of these athletes were black, the fraud was being run out of what is now called the Department of African, African-American and Diaspora Studies. The two people orchestrating the fake classes were Julius Nyang’oro, the department head, and Deborah Crowder, the longtime department administrator.

Although the university initially claimed that the scandal had nothing to do with athletics, that was untrue. Kenneth L. Wainstein, a prominent lawyer, issued an authoritative report in October 2014 that noted that nearly half the students in the paper classes were athletes, “even though student-athletes make up just over 4 percent” of the student body. When they were interviewed by Wainstein’s investigators, Nyang’oro and Crowder said that their motivation was to help struggling students, especially “that subset of student-athletes who came to campus without adequate academic preparation.”

Try as it might, the university has been unable to put the scandal behind it. In 2012, Willingham, who had been an unnamed source for Kane, went public, which resulted in her vilification in Chapel Hill by the university provost, James W. Dean Jr., and her departure from the university. (Willingham now works as an adjunct at a local community college, six years short of qualifying for a state pension.) The university was placed on probation by its accreditation board — a humiliating blow.

Carol Folt, a former Dartmouth provost, became the university chancellor in 2013 and launched a wholesale reform effort. The 70 reforms include severely restricting how many independent studies courses any one professor can teach and the creation of an “audit trail” if a professor changes a student’s grade. Recently, Folt announced that the university would hire a chief integrity officer.

Nyang’oro was briefly indicted. (It was dropped when he agreed to cooperate with Wainstein.) Others in the department lost their jobs, though mostly low-level employees who appear to be scapegoats. The academic counseling staff was overhauled. Jan Boxill, the faculty chair — and the director, believe it or not, of the Parr Center for Ethics — saw her reputation destroyed when her emails revealed that she had been an active participant in the scandal.

Michael Hausfeld, the lawyer who brought the O’Bannon case against the N.C.A.A., filed a lawsuit against North Carolina (and the N.C.A.A.) charging that athletes had been deprived of the one thing they are promised in return for their labors: a real education.

Last fall, the university, responding to public records requests, released several hundred thousand pages of emails that had comprised some of the evidence for the Wainstein report. A Twitter user named Ted Tatos — his Twitter handle is @BlueDevilicious, and yes, he went to Duke — began poring though the emails, tweeting out the most egregious ones on practically a daily basis. He has recently been focusing on the improbably high number of diagnoses of learning disabilities among North Carolina athletes — allowing them to receive special accommodations. Hundreds of thousands of additional emails have yet to be released, meaning that the drip-drip-drip of embarrassing disclosures is far from over.

And then there’s the N.C.A.A. Last summer, the association issued a lengthy notice of allegations, which included the dreaded “loss of institutional control.” Days before the deadline for North Carolina to respond, the university told the N.C.A.A. that it had found evidence of additional wrongdoing. The N.C.A.A. is said to be preparing a new set of allegations, which it has yet to deliver. Serious sanctions seem inevitable. Several members of the women’s basketball team have transferred, including its leading scorer, Allisha Gray. “It has hurt recruiting,” acknowledged Bubba Cunningham, the athletic director, who took the post just before the paper class scandal broke, and has spent much of his tenure involved in the reform effort.

What does Dean Smith have to do with any of this? Nothing — and everything. Although Smith retired in 1997, four years after the paper classes began, rare is the person in North Carolina who thinks he knew about them, or that he would have looked the other way if he had. Smith was widely admired for his integrity and for the way he cared about his players, taking an interest in them as human beings, not just as basketball players, and pushing them to graduate and better their lives. Smith coined the phrase “The Carolina Way.” It stood for the idea that the University of North Carolina was a place where athletic excellence and academic excellence could exist side by side — and where the former did not necessarily corrupt the latter.

The paper class scandal has shattered that illusion. On the one hand, younger alumni and current students view the scandal as “more an irritant than a source of shame,” Dylan Howlett, a former sportswriter for The Daily Tar Heel, told me. It also wasn’t all that big a shock. “Our generation grew up in a celebrity-oriented sports culture where winning trumps all,” he said. There is also a substantial percentage of the faculty that believes the problems revealed by Willingham’s whistle-blowing — which they deeply resent — have been adequately dealt with by the Folt administration. They just want the whole thing to go away.

But there is another, smaller group of faculty members, along with a large number of older alumni, people who were around during the Dean Smith era, who harbor a tremendous feeling of betrayal, a deep hurt that Smith’s Carolina Way devolved into a fraud. Let’s be honest: There are many big-time sports colleges where athletes are given a pass academically — and nobody cares. But Tar Heels fans always believed that North Carolina was better than that. Discovering that it wasn’t has hit them hard.

“Dean Smith was a great man,” said Jonathan Yardley, the longtime book critic for The Washington Post. A 1961 graduate, Yardley received a distinguished alumni award in 1989. (He retired from The Post at the end of 2015.) “It’s pretty obvious now that he was an anomaly.”

Yardley continued: “Chapel Hill always basked in a reputation for being a place where big-time athletics was more or less in its proper place.” Decrying the school’s huge athletic complex — it is planning to build an indoor practice facility for the football team that is likely to cost around $25 million — he said, “It’s not the place I knew.” He now roots for the Tar Heels to lose.

Rudi Colloredo-Mansfeld, the chair of the anthropology department, also a Carolina graduate, told me that the sense of personal loss many people feel is so profound that they have difficulty even talking about it. He cited several instances in which alumni or professors, speaking in a public forum, veered into the scandal — and then just stopped talking, unable to articulate what they felt. “It’s as if there is no place to take the conversation,” he said. Some professors come to him now, wondering what they are supposed to do when athletes miss classes because of their travel requirements. How do they accommodate athletes while maintaining appropriate academic standards? “I have concerns for the welfare of the athletes,” Colloredo-Mansfeld said — that is, finding a way to ensure they get a real education despite the demands on their time, and the fact that more than a few are unprepared for college-level work.

“Sports are the lifeblood of our relationships,” he added. “Our family relationships and our relationships on our campus. By harming sports, it is not as much fun to talk to your father about the football team.”

Colloredo-Mansfeld told me that for all the reforms instituted by the administration, it has been unwilling to address the larger, tougher questions surrounding the relationship between academics and athletics. And he’s hardly the only one who feels that way.

“We entice these players to entertain the public and enrich their coaches by performing a vast amount of arduous, dangerous and unpaid work, with the opportunity for free education and the distant chance to ‘go pro’ as their only compensation,” Harry Watson, a history professor, has written. “Then we set up conditions which make the ‘education’ either meaningless or nearly unattainable. To me, this situation is fundamentally immoral.”

Jay M. Smith, who teaches European history — and last year wrote “Cheated,” a book about the scandal, with Willingham — has led a small group of faculty members seeking reforms that would address these larger issues. Every resolution he and his group have proposed has been shot down by the faculty council. He, too, has been dismayed that the paper class scandal has not led to a national conversation about how the needs of athletic departments corrupt academics — and how athletes can be better served by the institutions of higher learning they attend. “I naïvely believed that if enough attention were paid to the corruption, it would lead people to call for a change to the system,” he said. Instead, the system is treating the paper class scandal at North Carolina as a one-off. As it always does.

“I knew Dean Smith quite well,” Kenneth S. Broun, a retired dean of the law school, told me in an email. “Dean would carefully advise his players who had an interest in professional or graduate school. He would frequently refer them to me (and to other friends around campus) for counseling as to what they needed to do to be able to make it outside the world of basketball.” He added, “Dean was an unusual guy, but it can be done.”

Starting that national conversation might be the best way to honor Dean Smith’s legacy.
 
Something tells me it will not be for quite a while since I think the NCAA doesn't want to do to UNC what they know they should do. IMO. If it were RU we would have been buried a long time ago.
 
This could be like a 'Miami' situation, where the NCAA just gives up.
 
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Waiting waiting waiting for the NCAA to do something! Pinehurst, when do you think we'll get some action?

Much conflicting info on status and timing of the punishment phase. The NCAA is mum on the topic, of course, as they do not comment on ongoing cases. And UNC, well, it's hard to take anything they release as being sound and/or complete.

In an AP report from earlier this week, UNC AD Bubba Cunningham said: "We're waiting on the amended NOA and we have continued to cooperate and we have provided them all the information they have requested and we've had available. And we'll continue to do so through the full investigative process."

But there is no indication from the NCAA that an amended NOA is in the works or will occur.

Another take, as summarized by a poster on (Duke's) Devil's Den: "UNC has entered a "summary disposition" phase where essentially they aren't contesting the charges in the [original] NOA, but instead are trying to negotiate the best possible outcome from a penalty standpoint without the case going directly to the Committee on Infractions. "
 
This could be like a 'Miami' situation, where the NCAA just gives up.

Abro, I don't see any indication where this would be the case here, where the NCAA would "give up." The NCAA is playing it "close to the vest" for sure. And UNC continues to be less than forthcoming and honorable in how it continues to handle the whole affair, this the greatest scandal in the history of the NCAA. UNC did not publicly challenge the NCAA's original NOA, which alleged five level one infractions including LOIC. In fact, after it received the original NOA, UNC had self-reported some additional infractions dealing with WBB and soccer, which, in effect, bought them some more time. Skeptics would say this was a strategic move to delay the punishment phase, so UNC's FB recruiting would be less impacted and BB would have one more good year, in a push for a NC. The recent and ongoing data dump by UNC (as a result of a public records request) is rendering more and more evidence against them, opening up more areas of scandal such as the learning disabilities scam.
 
Abro, I don't see any indication where this would be the case here, where the NCAA would "give up." The NCAA is playing it "close to the vest" for sure. And UNC continues to be less than forthcoming and honorable in how it continues to handle the whole affair, this the greatest scandal in the history of the NCAA. UNC did not publicly challenge the NCAA's original NOA, which alleged five level one infractions including LOIC. In fact, after it received the original NOA, UNC had self-reported some additional infractions dealing with WBB and soccer, which, in effect, bought them some more time. Skeptics would say this was a strategic move to delay the punishment phase, so UNC's FB recruiting would be less impacted and BB would have one more good year, in a push for a NC. The recent and ongoing data dump by UNC (as a result of a public records request) is rendering more and more evidence against them, opening up more areas of scandal such as the learning disabilities scam.


I'm afraid this is exactly like Miami, who lawyered up, hired 'ethics profs', delayed, distracted, and simply out lasted the NCAA. I do hope you are right, but afraid you are wrong. Miami was caught dead to rights, and only suffered a self imposed 1 year bowl sit out.

NCAA has better success banning schools like D3 WBB Kean U of Union NJ
 
Waiting waiting waiting for the NCAA to do something! Pinehurst, when do you think we'll get some action?
Certainly not while they are in the Top 10 in hoops. NCAA will lose too much money. If they have a couple of Matt Dougherty years in the near future, then you may see it. Doubt it will happen.

If anything does happen it will be downplayed by the NCAA and E$PN, and another school will be fed to the lions to distract the masses. Sad.
 
I thought the NCAA attorneys or attorneys representing the NCAA made several key procedural errors that invalidated testimony critical in the Miami case.
 
Certainly not while they are in the Top 10 in hoops. NCAA will lose too much money. If they have a couple of Matt Dougherty years in the near future, then you may see it. Doubt it will happen.

If anything does happen it will be downplayed by the NCAA and E$PN, and another school will be fed to the lions to distract the masses. Sad.

The NCAA is going to make the same amount of $ from the BB tourney, whether the Heels play or not.
 
The NCAA is going to make the same amount of $ from the BB tourney, whether the Heels play or not.
You are right short term, apologies. Long term, NCAA does not want to kill their Golden Geese.

An obligation to maximize revenues
“We must not let the interest in the ‘business’ of college sports become so alluring or enticing that it diverts us from the primary purpose of intercollegiate athletics – providing athletics opportunities for students that enhance their academic experience. We must never lose sight of the academic purpose while we are conducting the necessary business of college sports. ... “The NCAA has an obligation, derived from its members, to maximize the revenue from these contracts and to manage them following the best business practices. ... In the past, and indeed currently, there is some ambivalence about business issues. To some extent, it is felt that it is improper, not quite right, for the NCAA to be engaged in business activity. Amateur sports should be above all that. Athletics departments need the revenue, but working too hard to generate revenue somehow taints the purity of college sports. Nonsense! This type of thinking is both a misinterpretation and a misapplication of amateurism. ‘Amateur’ defines the participants, not the enterprise.

− Myles Brand, 2006 State of the Association address
 
I'm afraid this is exactly like Miami, who lawyered up, hired 'ethics profs', delayed, distracted, and simply out lasted the NCAA. I do hope you are right, but afraid you are wrong. Miami was caught dead to rights, and only suffered a self imposed 1 year bowl sit out.

NCAA has better success banning schools like D3 WBB Kean U of Union NJ

I've always considered Miami a bit different, because it poses a much more difficult question - how are Univeristy's supposed to stop boosters who are intent on violating the rules? Even if they know it is going on, it is very hard for schools to prevent "bag men" from operating, even if they wanted to. UNC is an easy case, because it was the school blatantly breaking the rules. Anything short of a long term post season ban for all sports will be a total joke, and frankly, will open the NCAA up to more trouble in the future. If the organization isn't actually policing its members, than a lot of things will be open to outright challenges by member schools, Congress,etc. The NCAA has to deal with this in a way that preserves its own integrity, and also doesn't adversely impact the other ACC member schools. Its a tough situation.
 
You are right short term, apologies. Long term, NCAA does not want to kill their Golden Geese.

An obligation to maximize revenues
“We must not let the interest in the ‘business’ of college sports become so alluring or enticing that it diverts us from the primary purpose of intercollegiate athletics – providing athletics opportunities for students that enhance their academic experience. We must never lose sight of the academic purpose while we are conducting the necessary business of college sports. ... “The NCAA has an obligation, derived from its members, to maximize the revenue from these contracts and to manage them following the best business practices. ... In the past, and indeed currently, there is some ambivalence about business issues. To some extent, it is felt that it is improper, not quite right, for the NCAA to be engaged in business activity. Amateur sports should be above all that. Athletics departments need the revenue, but working too hard to generate revenue somehow taints the purity of college sports. Nonsense! This type of thinking is both a misinterpretation and a misapplication of amateurism. ‘Amateur’ defines the participants, not the enterprise.

− Myles Brand, 2006 State of the Association address

Sure. The NCAA is about optimizing $ for its members. And the Men's BB Tourney is its moneymaker. But that pursuit presupposes that participating institutions follow rules that they agree to as members, as well as follow laws.

I think what most casual observers/fans are beguiled by in terms of the Heels is their familiarity with the school's perennial appearance in the NCAA's and their success. Heck, we've grown up with expecting UNC to be there and associate them with the excitement and success of the tourney.

But, in reality, it's the tourney, itself, that's the draw, not the teams, including UNC--- and the popularity of March Madness is mainly the result of pools and bracketology. It's become part of popular culture. There's nothing like it.

But the NCAA owes UNC nothing. And the NCAA will continue to profit with or without the Heels in its tourney for five years.
 
I've always considered Miami a bit different, because it poses a much more difficult question - how are Univeristy's supposed to stop boosters who are intent on violating the rules? Even if they know it is going on, it is very hard for schools to prevent "bag men" from operating, even if they wanted to. UNC is an easy case, because it was the school blatantly breaking the rules. Anything short of a long term post season ban for all sports will be a total joke, and frankly, will open the NCAA up to more trouble in the future. If the organization isn't actually policing its members, than a lot of things will be open to outright challenges by member schools, Congress,etc. The NCAA has to deal with this in a way that preserves its own integrity, and also doesn't adversely impact the other ACC member schools. Its a tough situation.
Agreed, these are nowhere near similar cases and I expect major sanctions to be handed down to UNC.
 
How can you not think the NCAA is trying desperately to avoid addressing this? How much "evidence" do they need to react? College sports needs an entire redo on policing itself and the ones who are the police. Total travesty.
 
Certainly not while they are in the Top 10 in hoops. NCAA will lose too much money. If they have a couple of Matt Dougherty years in the near future, then you may see it. Doubt it will happen.

If anything does happen it will be downplayed by the NCAA and E$PN, and another school will be fed to the lions to distract the masses. Sad.

Yes, very sad. Appalachian State and Western Carolina are probably very nervous right about now.
 
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How can you not think the NCAA is trying desperately to avoid addressing this? How much "evidence" do they need to react? College sports needs an entire redo on policing itself and the ones who are the police. Total travesty.

To clarify and summarize, the NCAA had conducted and concluded its second investigation of UNC (in the wake of the Wainstein Report) had found irrefutable, well-documented evidence of major rules violations spanning more than 20 years involving BB, FB, WBB (and other sports). As a result, the NCAA had charged UNC with five Level One infractions including Lack of Institutional Control, as outlined in its Notice od Allegations. In effect, with this, the NCAA has issued a "guilty" verdict against UNC and the "case" has moved into the "sentencing" phase. But what's complicated "things," just days before the deadline for UNC's response to the NCAA's NOA, UNC self-reported additional (relatively minor) rules violations, these dealing with WBB and soccer. This amounts to a UNC stall tactic, as it's just prolonging the time line of the case and the inevitable punishment. It is not an indication that the NCAA is mishandling things or is retreating. If anything, the result has been additional scrutiny of UNC athletics and the university as a whole, as more info is being uncovered, such as the "new" ADD scam involving the FB program. To date, UNC has spent some $11 million on the scandal, in PR and legal fees, to lessen the impact of the scandal on the school.
 
I'm afraid this is exactly like Miami, who lawyered up, hired 'ethics profs', delayed, distracted, and simply out lasted the NCAA. I do hope you are right, but afraid you are wrong. Miami was caught dead to rights, and only suffered a self imposed 1 year bowl sit out.

NCAA has better success banning schools like D3 WBB Kean U of Union NJ

...UNC will likely wait until it looks like they have their weakest BBall team in years and then self-administer a 1-year postseason ban in an unbelievable show of honor and self-sacrifice that the NCAA will laud as proof of their contrition and reform; case then closed.


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I thought the NCAA attorneys or attorneys representing the NCAA made several key procedural errors that invalidated testimony critical in the Miami case.
Yes this is exactly what happen in the Miami case. Miami got off on technicalities as the NCAA used improper methods to obtain information. Miami got lucky they were caught dead to rights, the NCAA could simply not move forward with the case.
 
Yes this is exactly what happen in the Miami case. Miami got off on technicalities as the NCAA used improper methods to obtain information. Miami got lucky they were caught dead to rights, the NCAA could simply not move forward with the case.

The NCAA absolutely could have continued on, they elected not to.
 
The NCAA absolutely could have continued on, they elected not to.

No, they couldn't have. The evidence the NCAA had on Miami, they collected illegally. All the incriminating evidence the NCAA had would have been ineligible for use. Therefore, the NCAA had not choice but to abandon the investigation.
 
No, they couldn't have. The evidence the NCAA had on Miami, they collected illegally. All the incriminating evidence the NCAA had would have been ineligible for use. Therefore, the NCAA had not choice but to abandon the investigation.

Incorrect, 'some' not 'all' of the evidence was obtained illegally. And I believe it wasn't even illegal but unethical.
 
Incorrect, 'some' not 'all' of the evidence was obtained illegally. And I believe it wasn't even illegal but unethical.

That "some" evidence was the heart of the case. What the NCAA did was get the dirt on Nevin Shapiro from the FBI investigation. Those were the real goods, and the NCAA couldn't use them, because they were collected illegally. The "other" evidence was minimal stuff. It wouldn't have been enough to get any significant sanctions on Miami.

As to the collection of the evidence being "illegal," you don't understand what I'm saying. It's not "illegal" as in it's against the law. It was "illegal" in the sense that it violated the NCAA's own bylaws. Per the NCAA's own rules, they are only allowed to use evidence gained form certain sources. Basically, it pretty much means either the NCAA or the schools have to uncover the evidence. The problem is, the NCAA couldn't sanction Miami for breaking NCAA rules, when the NCAA itself broke its own rules.
 
That "some" evidence was the heart of the case. What the NCAA did was get the dirt on Nevin Shapiro from the FBI investigation. Those were the real goods, and the NCAA couldn't use them, because they were collected illegally. The "other" evidence was minimal stuff. It wouldn't have been enough to get any significant sanctions on Miami.

As to the collection of the evidence being "illegal," you don't understand what I'm saying. It's not "illegal" as in it's against the law. It was "illegal" in the sense that it violated the NCAA's own bylaws. Per the NCAA's own rules, they are only allowed to use evidence gained form certain sources. Basically, it pretty much means either the NCAA or the schools have to uncover the evidence. The problem is, the NCAA couldn't sanction Miami for breaking NCAA rules, when the NCAA itself broke its own rules.

The NCAA is not arguing their case in front of a jury or anyone, the NCAA IS the Jury, they can do whatever they want, and they elected to punt.

NCAA botches Miami investigation: Your rules are not law, Mark Emmert

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/24/3907888/ncaa-miami-investigation-scandal
 
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I will not believe any serious action will be taken against UNC until I see it happen. I have no confidence in the NCAA to do the right thing. I will also gladly apologize if I am wrong.
 
The NCAA is not arguing their case in front of a jury or anyone, the NCAA IS the Jury, they can do whatever they want, and they elected to punt.

NCAA botches Miami investigation: Your rules are not law, Mark Emmert

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/24/3907888/ncaa-miami-investigation-scandal

You are not paying attention to what I'm saying. Stop anticipating what you think I'm saying, and instead read what I actually write.

It's not a matter of the NCAA having to go before a jury. The NCAA broke its own rules by the way they investigated the case. The article you linked indicates exactly how that happened. The NCAA can't use the information it gained, because of its own rules.
 
I've always considered Miami a bit different, because it poses a much more difficult question - how are Univeristy's supposed to stop boosters who are intent on violating the rules? Even if they know it is going on, it is very hard for schools to prevent "bag men" from operating, even if they wanted to. UNC is an easy case, because it was the school blatantly breaking the rules. Anything short of a long term post season ban for all sports will be a total joke, and frankly, will open the NCAA up to more trouble in the future. If the organization isn't actually policing its members, than a lot of things will be open to outright challenges by member schools, Congress,etc. The NCAA has to deal with this in a way that preserves its own integrity, and also doesn't adversely impact the other ACC member schools. Its a tough situation.

UNC's "bag men" = the Educational Foundation, otherwise known as the Ram's Club, UNC's booster organization. No one has yet asked and answered one basic question: who initiated the fake class scam? As always, follow the $. This will involve the UNC BOGs. Bold individuals who place winning above everything. This is also why UNC will ultimately accept punishment. They need to suspend the investigation before those many BOG and Ram's Club members are called upon. At UNC, the BOG and the Ram's Club are one-in-the-same.
 
Not that it matters but, I have a friend that lives down there and he said ordinary fans are getting the sense that this will be harsh. (The punishment).
 
You are not paying attention to what I'm saying. Stop anticipating what you think I'm saying, and instead read what I actually write.

It's not a matter of the NCAA having to go before a jury. The NCAA broke its own rules by the way they investigated the case. The article you linked indicates exactly how that happened. The NCAA can't use the information it gained, because of its own rules.

Guys, Tiger's saying that since the NCAA broke its own rules in collecting the Miami evidence, the evidence basically became inadmissible...so sad yet funny. IMO a dirty organization catches a dirty program doing dirty things but can't do anything about it because they're dirty too. It's funny how the NCAA happens to 'botch' things when it comes to the 'name' offenders...


Joe P.
 
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