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most people (or a large majority) outside of NJ do not know RU is the state U of NJ. Been out here for over 20 years, Anytime I meet someone and they ask about my RU fandom, I tell them that fact and 99% of the time they didn't know.
I'm not coming from anywhere. I read the quote, liked the quote, wondered if the University uses it as an official thing.
Where do we use it?
Worst thing we ever did was write "The State University of New Jersey" all over the floor at the RAC. Looked silly.
If joining the Big Ten didn't clue people in to the fact we are a research-oriented flagship state university, I'm not really interested in explaining just who we are to them. Win games, people will talk about us, and eventually they will stumble onto it.
As for PR, I still miss the "... at Rutgers" ads. Thought those were the best we ever did.
If joining the Big Ten didn't clue people in to the fact we are a research-oriented flagship state university, I'm not really interested in explaining just who we are to them. Win games, people will talk about us, and eventually they will stumble onto it.
As for PR, I still miss the "... at Rutgers" ads. Thought those were the best we ever did.
What does the OP mean?
Our name is "Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey", so yeah we use that.
or are you talking about the "This is" part?
Our name is "Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey", so yeah we use that.
or are you talking about the "This is" part?
Yeah, the whole quote.
There is a difference between:
"This is the State University of New Jersey. This is Rutgers."
And:
"Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey"
Kind of like there is a difference between the old style R or pre schiano, and the block R. Yeah it's an R, but it's different, and that difference can be significant.
And the question is, Do we use that phrasing, and if we do in what capacity do we use that phrasing?
BoroKnight mentions the "at Rutgers" ads.
Do we have advertising with that phrasing, do we have letter head, is it on the front page of the targum? Is it on notebooks that students can buy for classes?Where do we use it?
BoroKnight also noted how it was put on the floor at the RAC, and how it looked silly. so obviously not all usages play well.
Those were good.
And agree with the rest of your post too.
In this day and age if you don't know where the only school that happens to be a Colonial College, a Land Grant school and its State's major research university, which btw also happens to be 8th oldest institution of higher learning and the Birthplace of College Football, maybe you need to get to a Barnes and Noble and get a book or if you're younger, just Google it.
So your saying if people don't know, Rutgers should hope those people learn it on their own, as opposed to sending them the information.
Maybe someone should google "the point of advertising", or "the power of slogans".
Sorry, I for one would never want to see any promotional material/advertising which made "the State University of New Jersey" have any priority over/supersede "Rutgers." Frankly, I would be very happy to lose "the State University of New Jersey" altogether.
Yeah, who needs the other 8.2 million New Jersey residents to rally behind their state U? We've done just fine trying to confuse people into thinking we're a small liberal arts school.
They can google it, if they want to know anything about the school.
They can google it, if they want to know anything about the school.
I thought I was politely saying I don't want to know those people, guess not. And if in 2016 you don't know, you don't want to know or you don't care.
Btw, you do know it already says where we are in our official name, right? Sounds like RU is already doing the the point and power thing.
Apparently not.
Great quote, but understanding the general population of NJ they will figure out a way to make that be a negative. You know something like -- "This is the State University of New Jersey. This is why you don't go to Rutgers." [eyeroll]
Fascinating story and graphics in today's NYTimes about the emigration of students from one state to public universities in another state.
A quick scan convinced me that New Jersey loses more kids to other state public universities than most other states do. The charts describe the number of students entering and the number leaving, by state, for all fifty states. Fascinating.
A quick scan convinced me that New Jersey loses more kids to other state public universities than most other states do. The charts describe the number of students entering and the number leaving, by state, for all fifty states. Fascinating.
exactly.
Just think of the deep voiced guy in the Revolutionary for 250 years saying...
"This is the State University of New Jersey. (pause) This is Rutgers."
THAT is what he means (or at least what I think he means)
and she was referring to something like NOW we have it, now we are acting like a Big time State School...THIS is what we needed.
That deep voiced guy is none other than Rutgers/MGSA alumnus, Avery Brooks.
Reminds me of the talking heads on ESPN continually referring to RUTGERS as SUNJ (pronounced soonge) whenever they wanted to disparage us.
When I arrived at Rutgers a little over 30 years ago, the "Rutgers (The State University of New Jersey)" was in more common use than it seems to be today. I'm not sure it's our "official" title any more.
This is nothing new but you're correct. IIRC NJ and Conn, who both are always among the top in high school graduates attending college, are also both typically at the top of sending the most graduates out-of-state.
I'm not worried about the number of students who leave New Jersey; the state doesn't have enough college seats to accommodate them. What I do worry about is the number of outstanding students who leave New Jersey -- many of them should go to Rutgers, thus enhancing the quality of the student body and our reputation (which leads to more excellent students staying here).
I could be wrong, but, in a nutshell:
- CVS's refusal to change her offensive philosophy and recruiting tendencies due to it while other schools have changed with the times and passed us by (I'm talking schools that NEER beat us until the last 5 years...)
- CVS's refusal to keep a full compliment of scholarships on the roster
- a couple of highly rated classes not panning out, the last 5-7 years, for a slew of reasons
...IIRC. Now...I do believe that some of this is changing, at least with regard to the # of scholarship players on the roster, which should help a lot with the other 2 I mention as a full roster is easier to work with, will cause less wear-and-tear, etc, etc, and hopefully better play, less frustration, and so-on-and-so-on.
Actually, CVS did change here offense to an uptempo style about 3 years ago and the offense was a hit. They still haven't found consistent 3 pt shooters. The issue with some of the players has more to do with CVS still demanding tough defense. She recruited more offensive minded players who don't take well to defense. This is why they haven't been able to run the "55" defense. That part of the game has actually cost them games. A lot of the players who left have clashed with CVS most over defense.
Thanks for the correction Doug! I knew I was in the ballpark with the O but wasn't sure WHY we were still having so much trouble shooting.
Actually, AFAIK, per the Rutgers Act of 1956, which as we know is a contract/law between the Rutgers Board of Trustees and the State of New Jersey, the name of the institution is simply "Rutgers, The State University".
The "of New Jersey" part is often added, and of course it's implied since the New Jersey legislature is one of the parties involved, but it's not part of the actual name.
Mentioned this before (and I think it was to you too - LOL) but I was surprised when visiting the Monmouth County Vocational Academies (Allied, HiTech, Biotech) for Open House Night how many of their kids were actually going to Rutgers. Not just accepted but actually enrolling. And these are top notch kids from top notch high schools.
Every couple years the NYT has a similar article on what has become the "hot" school of the moment. It seems right after the article comes out, NJ kids flock to the school mentioned in it.
@NotInRHouse and I have discussed this in the past. I can recall when Indiana became the flavor of the month a few years back.
A)My bad, I was a little aggressive there. But my point holds water, Rutgers should be looking to reach out to perspective students, letting them know who we are, and yeah, especially those that don't know who we are.
But I didn't mention her quote because I thought it was informative. I thought it sounded right. It's solid. It's a little "We are Penn State", but it's not, it's different, and yeah it does let people know we are the State University.
b)My mentioning this quote was by no means a complaint, I thought it a great quote, from one of the most accomplished coaches in RU history.
What do you think of calling it RSU (as in B1G's OSU or MSU)? We are the state of Rutgers!
IIRC, 50 years ago the student-run radio station had the call letters WRSU.
IIRC, 50 years ago the student-run radio station had the call letters WRSU.
Not-for-Noting BUT if a high school kid doesn't know who or where we are, well, odds are they're not going to cut it here. Let's be real here any kid worth his salt knows where the good schools are these days. This isn't 1910. The "where is Rutgers" thing is a crock-of-shit that only comes out of the mouths of true morons.
Why does McDonald's spend millions on top of millions of dollars telling people they make hamburgers? Don't people know they make Hamburgers?
Why do they feel the need to continually come up with new advertising campaigns? The old ones seemed to work pretty well.
Why does McDonald's even advertise at all? We all know they exist.
Seriously? Listen, I have NO problem with "Rutgers - The State University of New Jersey," trust me, I just found your words a tad comical. I mean no joke if a kid these days can't figure out where Rutgers is, on their own - if they don't already know - then they shouldn't be admitted because they're probably a tad on the not-so-bright side of things.
