OT: Voting by mail (oh well, political)
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That's a fair point to make. It is fair to note though that with a mail in ballot it is the job of full-time employees to check the signatures and not a one-day volunteer like with in-person voting.
Never said anything actually about money ...I made my pittance ... I live a modest semi reclusive life...came from a dirt poor background ...never knew my mother , hardly knew my dad... raised by Mennonite in Ohio.
seriously...imagine being this big of a miserable whiner.
Yeah poll counters from the southpaw nation ... Especially in Middlesex , Hudson ,Essex, counties... sure we should put faith in their honesty...✌️🇺🇸❤️
Maybe since it’s such an important thing, the franchise, it should be handled accordingly and not by volunteers but by paid workers like other States and municipalities do.
This is what sucks so bad. This site is a simple Google search away or a few clicks on nj.gov for the creation of an account to make sure you are registered and that your vote (whether in person or by mail) has been received. I used it in 2016 to make sure my registration wasn't deleted (which was happening in many other states as Nov. approached) and this year to see that my primary vote was received and counted:
NJ DOS - Division of Elections
But most would prefer not to search nj.gov to discover it easily but instead assume it doesn't exist as "evidence" mail in voting and NJ "bureaucracy" can't be trusted.
It seems to bother you? Good it should and it shows you can’t let it go... same as after 2016...🤡
And NJ bureaucracy can’t be trusted...This is what sucks so bad. This site is a simple Google search away or a few clicks on nj.gov for the creation of an account to make sure you are registered and that your vote (whether in person or by mail) has been received. I used it in 2016 to make sure my registration wasn't deleted (which was happening in many other states as Nov. approached) and this year to see that my primary vote was received and counted:
NJ DOS - Division of Elections
voter.svrs.nj.gov
But most would prefer not to search nj.gov to discover it easily but instead assume it doesn't exist as "evidence" mail in voting and NJ "bureaucracy" can't be trusted.
Then I guess all voting is corrupted by it and riddled with fraud since they run it. Keep on bitchin'.
OR, maybe you could make that the focus of your state level political activism or perhaps click on one of the many links out there to volunteer as a poll worker locally to perhaps do the work of Trudy with the purple hair and failing eyesight a little bit better to lessen the negative impact of said bureaucracy.
Infringement on someone's preference? Not on their rights, mind you, but their preference? How do you infringe on preference? If an ice cream parlor doesn't have your favorite flavor, is that infringement? o.O
There's no law saying that a voting machine must be used to vote. Every state gets to decide how they want their votes to be submitted and counted. Oregon has been voting exclusively by mail for over 20 years, and I'm sure there are cantankerous people out there who still shake their fists in the air and long for the days of pulling a lever. Colorado has been sending mail-in ballots to every registered voter since 2013, too.
This isn't new - it's just "new to you". I'd recommend picking up a copy of "Who Moved My Cheese?"
Now, you can argue whether it's within the governor's rights to take the actions he took... but calling it an "infringement upon those in favor of" is just silly talk.
Each county has an equal number of Republican and Democrat registrars that work together on the elections. When it comes to counting, a member of each party is present in the room.
Thanks for the link. I found out 2 things. First, I'm not registered to vote. And that's a good thing since I moved to NY in the mid '90's. Second, reading through this thread it appeared to me that everyone was going to receive a mail-in ballot. Now I can see that you have to request the mail-in ballot. That's much better than every registered voter having one sent to them.
IN NJ I think its all registered voters get it automatically.
That seems fair.
And then it’s on the individual on what they do from there.
If you don’t vote, don’t complain.
Yes ALL voting has a segment of illegitimacy attached to it and exactly is why in person on site is the choice of thousands..Not my thing being a poll attendant... southpaws have had that distinction since GovernorRobert Meyner most likely before you disembarked from the womb.
Good company BAC ... and the whine is good ... it seems to at least draw out your animosity towards how others are thinking ..
In today’s NJ exactly how do you verify truthfully one’s political preference ? ..for all those who crawled back out today probably from your drunken , drug stupors... welcome back... How do you know I could be a Democratic plant....the point is he said a B1G FU ... to a large part of the state...
Not sure what this means. What is in the minds of some, but not others?
Also not sure what southpaw means here.... maybe you have me confused with someone else?
UPDATE: The Colorado Sec. Of State has obtained a temporary restraining order against the USPS. They must cease and desist sending postcards to CO residents.'Colorado secretary of state sues USPS over election mailers she says misleads state's voters' :
Colorado secretary of state sues USPS over election mailers she says misleads state's voters
Colorado's secretary of state filed a lawsuit on Saturday against the US Postal Service, embattled Postmaster General Louis DeJoy and other USPS officials over a pre-election mailer that includes information she says will mislead voters in the state.www.cnn.com
CO, like NJ has automatic mail in voting, which means that the postcards are wrong. They create voter confusion and loss of voter confidence in the system.
The CO Sec of State said that she and others had requested to review any such USPS mailings prior to release, but the request was denied.
Incompetence, or malevolence? Shouldn't matter, as neither is acceptable.
in theory mail in voting, and then having those mail in votes overseen by equal representatives, would seem fair enough...
but, there are plenty of examples that when it comes to the twists and turns regarding mail in ballots, a lot can go wrong....ballots denied, some counted twice, missing ballots, it has happened.
we only have to look at the famous Al Franken/Norman Coleman
battle in Minnesota years back....
this is a fairly long read, but if one does read it, we can see how the results of an election can hang on details and policies that may not get you the real winner
Mining the Minnesota Recount - FactCheck.org
Republican incumbent Norm Coleman headed into the Minnesota U.S. Senate recount leading Democratic challenger Al Franken by more than 200 votes. But on Jan. 5, the state Canvassing Board certified recount results showing Franken received 225 more votes than Coleman in the general election, out...
www.factcheck.org
The mailer was despicable. I got it as well and then looked up the NJ information. It was completely different. It was part of a ridiculous disinformation campaign.
NJ has gotten a lot right, as of late, with so much of the craziness going on in the world. I'm proud to call NJ home.
Biden voted in person in Delaware today
If an old man can do it, the vast majority of the population can as well
If an old man can do it, the vast majority of the population can as well
Trump voted by mail last month. If the president can vote by mail, so can all of us.
Holy Moly... how did I miss this comment.. is this true?
The one registered Dem got 3 ballots?
A number of states have had vote by mail for years with no problems. Once you lay out all the election materials and your ballot on the kitchen table, you can make far more informed decisions. I live in California, so there are often a whole lot of initiatives and propositions. Some can be really confusing.
Huh? Paterson ballot harvesting, for example?
It seems like NJ gets things right because the Dems run everything and they win everywhere they are in control. That doesn't mean they get it right.. just means they reliably produce the expected results.
One could argue that Paterson shows the system works and the crooks got caught. Voting by mail does work well, but for states new to use the system, there may be some royal screw ups in November.
Isn't that what we have been doing for years?
I love getting that thing in the mail...all the candidates (and the office they are running for) listed and the questions too. I never go in blind.
Utah also has gone to only vote by mail. A very conservative state. No problems there. This should not be a partisan issue.
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