OT: What is the deal with Rutgers New Brunswick giving out academic scholarships

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Yes, it’s by college. Honors College always gets scholarship, beyond that things are rough.

And I know no one wants to hear this, but Rutgers gets a LOT of applicants who are 4.0+/1500+ kids. I work at a large public high school in NJ and just looked at our applicants from this year. Just over 50 of our 250ish applicants were 4.0+/1500+ this application cycle (and most of them were way over 4.0).

There is no way RU can afford to give that kind of money out - we’re just one high school, and I know my neighboring schools have the same kinds of stats.

Rutgers' average incoming SATs and GPAs have been rising significantly over the last decade across all schools.
 

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Rutgers is actually $36k with everything, if my daughter will only go to Maryland if she gets the full banner key scholarship. Their out of state tuition is ridiculously priced.
If you live in NJ RU is actually $32K...daughter was accepted this year...And who works out the numbers on what I can afford in that Fafsa report? Crazy high number which lowers the amount schools will give you!
 

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If you live in NJ RU is actually $32K...daughter was accepted this year...And who works out the numbers on what I can afford in that Fafsa report? Crazy high number which lowers the am
 
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1) After 70 years of almost uninterrupted democrat rule NJ is literally bankrupt. “The problem with socialism, is that eventually you run out of other peoples money.
2) if she is Caucasian, then that could be a factor as well. Rutgers is one of the leading institutions of modern socialist thought and right now we are living through the “great white purge”, where whiteness is considered a liability and people of color are “given preference” over white people no matter how deserving they may be.
Aint that the truth.
 

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If you live in NJ RU is actually $32K...daughter was accepted this year...And who works out the numbers on what I can afford in that Fafsa report? Crazy high number which lowers the amount schools will give you!
I hate that the State has consistently cut back its share of Rutgers total costs from somewhere around 45% back in the 1970s to sub 20% now.

but frankly, that $32,000 number for in state residents is still pretty good for the world class education available at Rutgers.

the opportunities for Graduate admissions and jobs coming out of Rutgers New Brunswick, especially in the high earnings majors is top flight. STEM & finance and accounting, positions kids very well.
 
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If you live in NJ RU is actually $32K...daughter was accepted this year...And who works out the numbers on what I can afford in that Fafsa report? Crazy high number which lowers the amount schools will give you!
Have a friend with kids older than mine who told me the first time you finish a FAFSA form and get to the part which shows you the amount of your “expected contribution” for you’ll say out loud “no effing way!”

Well, I got to that part and said “no effing way!” LOL
 

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If you compare Rutgers and Maryland, yes. She has been accepted in St Joes and Loyola of Md and St Joes will be 8K cheaper, Loyal 1K cheaper.

So at the end of the day then, isn't RU the best bang for the buck?

I understand your argument but my guess is RU's response is that unless that MD scholly comes through that it's still the best deal.

Personally I think a RU degree will be more respected than Loyola or St. Joe's, unless they have some program I am missing.
 

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I got the Bloustein Distinguished Scholar award while I was at RU - $1000/yr for NJ students in the top 10% of their class to stay in-state (which went way further in the late 1990s than it would today). But Christie ended that in 2010.
 
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Where does NJ stand on funding of public pre-school through grade 12?
If not the top, very near the top, for decades. It's a real contrast. Top four per pupil recently in ascending order NJ, CT, DC, NY.

We pay for top notch college prep then send them out-of-state for college, and often forever. You think NC built Research Triangle on folks that went to high school in the Tarheel State? Even many of the UNC, Duke, and NC State grads that work there went to high school in NJ (and CT and NY).
 

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Have a friend with kids older than mine who told me the first time you finish a FAFSA form and get to the part which shows you the amount of your “expected contribution” for you’ll say out loud “no effing way!”

Well, I got to that part and said “no effing way!” LOL


When I completed the form I went into it knowing the average family of four in the country had an income of around $55,000 at the time so I knew relatively speaking there would be no money for me
 

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So at the end of the day then, isn't RU the best bang for the buck?

I understand your argument but my guess is RU's response is that unless that MD scholly comes through that it's still the best deal.

Personally I think a RU degree will be more respected than Loyola or St. Joe's, unless they have some program I am missing.

I think St Joes has an exceptional reputation in the area of food and beverage marketing. I do not know if that is a high paying career or not
 

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When I completed the form I went into it knowing the average family of four in the country had an income of around $55,000 at the time so I knew relatively speaking there would be no money for me
It was even funnier doing the NJ version as theirs said something at the very end...“This will be be your aid:”

$ ______0______

LOL
 

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I think St Joes has an exceptional reputation in the area of food and beverage marketing. I do not know if that is a high paying career or not

That would be a tough field to find a job in currently. Also questions about the future.
 

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When I completed the form I went into it knowing the average family of four in the country had an income of around $55,000 at the time so I knew relatively speaking there would be no money for me

But it's higher in NJ. They don't take that into account?
 

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So at the end of the day then, isn't RU the best bang for the buck?

I understand your argument but my guess is RU's response is that unless that MD scholly comes have the graduate through that it's still the best deal.

Personally I think a RU degree will be more respected than Loyola or St. Joe's, unless they have some program I am missing.
The only issue is the field she wants to go in, Speech Pathology. Rutgers NB doesn’t
So at the end of the day then, isn't RU the best bang for the buck?

I understand your argument but my guess is RU's response is that unless that MD scholly comes through that it's still the best deal.

Personally I think a RU degree will be more respected than Loyola or St. Joe's, unless they have some program I am missing.
It is the program she wants, Speech Pathology. Surprisingly Rutgers NB does not have a grad program. Only Newark does. she is trying to stay at the same location so it is easier for her.
 

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The only issue is the field she wants to go in, Speech Pathology. Rutgers NB doesn’t

It is the program she wants, Speech Pathology. Surprisingly Rutgers NB does not have a grad program. Only Newark does. she is trying to stay at the same location so it is easier for her.

Back in 2008 my daughter was considering speech pathology and we researched all the schools

If I recall you want an accredited program with a direct admit into the major and you want to know how their graduates do on the licensing exam.

Some of the best programs were not necessarily at the better academic universities
 

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Back in 2008 my daughter was considering speech pathology and we researched all the schools

If I recall you want an accredited program with a direct admit into the major and you want to know how their graduates do on the licensing exam.

Some of the best programs were not necessarily at the better academic universities
Actually the best graduate program we found out was Montclair State, so that is an option afterwards.
 

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I thought scholarships at Rutgers were need-based, like at the Ivy League schools. I didn’t realize there were any academic scholarship ps.
Timing is everything. My class (84) was the first class at RU to get full academic scholarships, which is a big part of the reason I chose RU over Princeton, MIT and Cornell (free ride vs. partial support from the others and my family wasn't wealthy; also, I loved my RU visit/tour, including a meal at Stuff Yer Face, while Princeton was too snooty, MIT too geeky and Cornell too isolated).
 

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There's a few significant dynamics at play here.

1. Rutgers has not had the history of donations that nearly every other school of its size and like have had. Many of those donations are typically for scholarships and endowment funds that need to be built up over the years before they start distributing scholarships. Thats why at Rutgers you're much much more likely to get a scholarship for a specific program (Honors college, engineering program, etc.) because those programs have specific scholarship funds that have been established. You can't forget that Rutgers Univ NB used to actually be 5 different colleges, each having their own scholarships but no headline scholarships for general admission into Rutgers University. That only started being built up less than 10 years ago. And our annual giving/donations only become respectable about 7 years ago (still near or at the bottom of the B1G though)

2. Rutgers accepts significantly fewer out of state students than its peers in the B1G conference. The tution delta is significant (for the same product and services) and its essentially an additional profit margin for schools who bring out of staters in at a high rate. Penn St is notorious for this. Offering scholarships to a few bright students accomplishes many goals, including making your school more desirable to the scholarship earning student's classmates. Rutgers needs to simply accept more out of state students just to increase revenue.

3. State aid to Rutgers is an absolute disgrace. Been steeply declining for decades. We are the highest taxed state in the US and we have some of the best K-12 public schools. But essentially RU (or just NJ universities as a whole) hasn't had the advocate in Trenton its needed over the many many years.


.... to sum this up. Rutgers donors have been increasing their giving and more scholarships will be available in the future. Rutgers SHOULD increase their revenue by accepting a higher % of out of state students (but this makes it harder for NJ students to obtain admission). And lastly, state financial aid is likely to continue to decline and further putting NJ colleges in a survive on your own setting.
Agreed, especially 1 and 3. It's part of why one of my colleague and I funded a $50,000 scholarship, "in perpetuity" in the Chem/Biochem Eng'g school last year that pays out $4K/year in scholarships to top students until the end of time or at least until the zombie apocalypse. We both got our PhD's at RU (he was Cornell undergrad and I was RU of course) and have done pretty well in our careers and wanted to give back. Someday I should post a thread on this as there's more to the story...
 

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Yes, it’s by college. Honors College always gets scholarship, beyond that things are rough.

And I know no one wants to hear this, but Rutgers gets a LOT of applicants who are 4.0+/1500+ kids. I work at a large public high school in NJ and just looked at our applicants from this year. Just over 50 of our 250ish applicants were 4.0+/1500+ this application cycle (and most of them were way over 4.0).

There is no way RU can afford to give that kind of money out - we’re just one high school, and I know my neighboring schools have the same kinds of stats.

I get grade inflation, but has there been that much SAT inflation too? Is that 1500 out of 1600? I think there were maybe 5 of us at that level in my HS class of 400.
 

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I get grade inflation, but has there been that much SAT inflation too? Is that 1500 out of 1600? I think there were maybe 5 of us at that level in my HS class of 400.

I believe there has been. Remember almost every middle class kid or wealthy kid is taking a class on how to ace the SAT. I bet back in 1980 that was not the case.
 

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I believe there has been. Remember almost every middle class kid or wealthy kid is taking a class on how to ace the SAT. I bet back in 1980 that was not the case.
Could be I guess - I suppose the ETS has data on that. I do recall taking them hung over after partying late into the night on a Friday night.
 

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My daughter has been accepted into some really good schools and getting the highest merit scholarships that can be granted thru these institutions. She is an semi finalist for the Banner Key merit scholarship at Maryland. Rutgers New Brunswick, nada, nothing, zilch. RU Newark she received 15k. I just don’t feel okay for her safety there. She is a very good student, volunteers, plays sports in HS. How does a NJ student get more from out of state institutions and receive a snub from the State University of NJ, just don’t get it.
I had the same question when my child was accepted. Had a lot of pluses- high academic (4.4) with several AP classes scored 5 on all of them. Athlete, volunteer work, clubs the whole thing. Got money from several other schools. Accepted into the Honors program but no aid. Yes we would qualify.
 

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That's all that needs to be said.
If Rutgers was run like a business, it would retain only 20% of board appointments. The university has had to enlist so many foreign students who can pay full tuition to make up for the loss in revenue from the state. If one needs to know why Trenton isn’t sending money, one need only look at Trenton: It’s a pit. Gone are it’s days of a thriving downtown and an abundance of high-end companies with great jobs.
 

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If Rutgers was run like a business, it would retain only 20% of board appointments. The university has had to enlist so many foreign students who can pay full tuition to make up for the loss in revenue from the state. If one needs to know why Trenton isn’t sending money, one need only look at Trenton: It’s a pit. Gone are it’s days of a thriving downtown and an abundance of high-end companies with great jobs.
Surprisingly, Rutgers ranks only 9th highest in the Big Ten for student outside the US. NJ has probably the highest % of in state students which doesn’t help Rutgers financially but is desired by the NJ population.

Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Minnesota have higher foreign student population.

In the future, the foreign students population will continue to drop due to visa problems and will increase opening for in state students.


 
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My daughter has been accepted into some really good schools and getting the highest merit scholarships that can be granted thru these institutions. She is an semi finalist for the Banner Key merit scholarship at Maryland. Rutgers New Brunswick, nada, nothing, zilch. RU Newark she received 15k. I just don’t feel okay for her safety there. She is a very good student, volunteers, plays sports in HS. How does a NJ student get more from out of state institutions and receive a snub from the State University of NJ, just don’t get it.

I know a graduate from a northern NJ public school that finished second or third in her class...... her dream school was Duke followed by North Carolina....
She got early acceptance into Duke, which was fine, but her dad kept lamenting that RU accepted her with no scholarship money.... I believe Duke came up with some money for her

Insulted by it all, even though RU was clearly down the list
 

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I know a graduate from a northern NJ public school that finished second or third in her class...... her dream school was Duke followed by North Carolina....
She got early acceptance into Duke, which was fine, but her dad kept lamenting that RU accepted her with no scholarship money.... I believe Duke came up with some money for her

Insulted by it all, even though RU was clearly down the list
They always have a way to insult Rutgers even when they know their kids aren’t going there. Duke annual cost is $58k and even with a $10k tuition reduction is $48k vs $32k at Rutgers. The kid was never going to Rutgers. Cost was never a factor.

90% of the jobs out there can be obtained with a Rutgers degree.
 
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Agreed, especially 1 and 3. It's part of why one of my colleague and I funded a $50,000 scholarship, "in perpetuity" in the Chem/Biochem Eng'g school last year that pays out $4K/year in scholarships to top students until the end of time or at least until the zombie apocalypse. We both got our PhD's at RU (he was Cornell undergrad and I was RU of course) and have done pretty well in our careers and wanted to give back. Someday I should post a thread on this as there's more to the story...

would love to hear about that story & connect !
 

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They always have a way to insult Rutgers even when they know their kids aren’t going there. Duke annual cost is $58k and even with a $10k tuition reduction is $48k vs $32k at Rutgers. The kid was never going to Rutgers. Cost was never a factor.

this is an important point for parents to understand. Out of state and private schools can offer the “scholarships” for their kids becuse they’re just giving back some of the additional profit margin they already have. So they inflate their costs and then say you’re “saving” $10k . Rutgers (and other state schools for in-state residents) already stripped that out for your home school
 

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They always have a way to insult Rutgers even when they know their kids aren’t going there. Duke annual cost is $58k and even with a $10k tuition reduction is $48k vs $32k at Rutgers. The kid was never going to Rutgers. Cost was never a factor.

I agree totally....... it is when you think you have been dissed, is when you actually notice....If RU accepted her, offered a decent amount of money, it just would have been one of many colleges, and gone unnoticed...

which reminds me of an old Al McGuire story, from his coaching days at Marquette

He once said that there would be an outstanding basketball recruit that his college would have no chance for, so, in reality, he would not bother in actually reaching out

If the player seemed a bit arrogant in the recruiting process, Al would mail the recruit a letter on the Marquette stationary, that the school was not interested in him, so he could cross Marquette off of his list

Before mailing, Al would put his coffee cup on the letter somewhere, as to leave a coffee cup stain.......just to make it look like there was even less of an attempt to look like he cared

thing is, the player would probably always remember that letter, even as he wades through all the positive bs he gets elsewhere...
 

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I get grade inflation, but has there been that much SAT inflation too? Is that 1500 out of 1600? I think there were maybe 5 of us at that level in my HS class of 400.

ETS changed the scoring system somewhere in the early 90's and the scores were increased. IIRC the typical score was bumped up around 30 points. Also IIRC it was the scores on the English portion that had begun to decline and precipitated the move. Kids just weren't getting as many writing assignments as in the past.
 
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I know a graduate from a northern NJ public school that finished second or third in her class...... her dream school was Duke followed by North Carolina....
She got early acceptance into Duke, which was fine, but her dad kept lamenting that RU accepted her with no scholarship money.... I believe Duke came up with some money for her

Insulted by it all, even though RU was clearly down the list

Duke, Stanford, the Ivies, the little Ivies (Williams, Amherst. Middlebury, Bowdoin) all are much more generous with scholarship grants. Part of it is the higher nominal cost, part is the larger endowments per student. For applicants above the poverty line but below the upper middle class the total package can result with the total cost being lower than RU and other flagship state schools.
 

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The only issue is the field she wants to go in, Speech Pathology. Rutgers NB doesn’t

It is the program she wants, Speech Pathology. Surprisingly Rutgers NB does not have a grad program. Only Newark does. she is trying to stay at the same location so it is easier for her.

That's interesting. I did hear that RU lacks a program. I don't know much about the field.
 

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Duke, Stanford, the Ivies, the little Ivies (Williams, Amherst. Middlebury, Bowdoin) all are much more generous with scholarship grants. Part of it is the higher nominal cost, part is the larger endowments per student. For applicants above the poverty line but below the upper middle class the total package can result with the total cost being lower than RU and other flagship state schools.

I think that she will be paying less to go to Duke, but never got the specifics....there was also the possibility of going with
the ROTC program.....

I could tell that she really was set on Duke or NC, and the money part would be dads problem.....hopefully the ROTC pathway makes it more affordable, if she is accepted to that
 

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They always have a way to insult Rutgers even when they know their kids aren’t going there. Duke annual cost is $58k and even with a $10k tuition reduction is $48k vs $32k at Rutgers. The kid was never going to Rutgers. Cost was never a factor.

90% of the jobs out there can be obtained with a Rutgers degree.

The *thousands* of stories of RU families of kids who are the first in their family to go to college and make it with a degree because of the relatively cheap in state tuition are never told.

It's always the kid going to Duke who was cheesed off for not getting more money or the kid who was denied admittance who was somehow insulted when they didn't deserve it.

NJ is so weird with this kind of behavior.