Our Sagarin hoops neighborhood

[Mr_Twister]

#92 UConn, Georgetown, Washington, Mississippi, Iowa, UAB, New Mexico State, #99 Rutgers, Dayton, Buffalo, Louisiana Tech, FGCU, Jan Murray State, Georgia Tech, #106 Mercer.
Never in my lifetime did I think we would have the Dayton Flyers in our rear view mirror and have UConn and Georgetown in our sights.
Lots of unfathomable programs above us — South Dakota, Vermont, Towson.
You can not make this stuff up.

 

[jellyman]

WAY early for Sagarin to have any real meaning. You need to get at least 4-6 games into conference play for every team before Sagarin even begins to have validity, in my opinion.

Not that I like Sagarin that much anyway ... but it is too early.

Still, I do get your point.

 

[knights1212]

We have finally made it into the Top 100. We are still moving up. Georgetown has not played anyone yet. We have a chance to move up a lot more if we keep playing well. When Eddie left I think we were at about # 270 or so.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Ken has as104 and 6-12 in b1g

 

[RutgersMO]

#92 UConn, Georgetown, Washington, Mississippi, Iowa, UAB, New Mexico State, #99 Rutgers, Dayton, Buffalo, Louisiana Tech, FGCU, Jan Murray State, Georgia Tech, #106 Mercer.
Never in my lifetime did I think we would have the Dayton Flyers in our rear view mirror and have UConn and Georgetown in our sights.
Lots of unfathomable programs above us — South Dakota, Vermont, Towson.
You can not make this stuff up.

DId you right the schools ahead / behind us?

"Jan Murray State":....very funny!



MO

 

[PatrickRU92]

small victories are acceptable!

 

[Mr_Twister]

DId you right the schools ahead / behind us?

"Jan Murray State":....very funny!



MO

Eddie Murray State or Steady Eddie Murray State would have been too obvious.

 

[bac2therac]

SOS is up to 242

 

[RutgersMO]

Eddie Murray State or Steady Eddie Murray State would have been too obvious.

What about Mitch & Murray State or Arthur Murray State?




MO

 

[TobyTyler1]

Georgetown has not played anyone yet.

Everyone and their mother are going to bet Syracuse vs Georgetown next week, even if they are a 5 pt fav at their place.

 

[bowlgoal]

Don’t worry about Sagarin at this moment as it’s meaningless. We know that our schedule is very weak and for good reason. Pikiell had no choice based on the players he had and the big -10 schedule. You are not doing yourself any favors with recruiting when you lose a lot of games before conference play.

I think we are a decent basketball team based on the FSU and MSU scores but they were also both home games. I don’t think we can beat SHU unless everything goes right. But barring any surprises, we should have 11 wins going into conference play. Then we see what happens. We need to finish this season with a winning record.

 

[RUBigFrank]

Sagarin is just another tool - but as we improve it is a marker of progression. With the Fordham win we are now at 90.

More importantly we are no longer last in conference:

76 Illinois =
89 Indiana =
90 Rutgers =
91 Nebraska =
98 Iowa

 

[knights1212]

We are doing fine as long as we keep "moving on up".

 

[ruman]

#102 in Kenpom as of 5 minutes ago when I checked

 

[PiscatawayMike]

Eddie Murray State or Steady Eddie Murray State would have been too obvious.

How about...

 

[GoFish2]

#92 UConn, Georgetown, Washington, Mississippi, Iowa, UAB, New Mexico State, #99 Rutgers, Dayton, Buffalo, Louisiana Tech, FGCU, Jan Murray State, Georgia Tech, #106 Mercer.
Never in my lifetime did I think we would have the Dayton Flyers in our rear view mirror and have UConn and Georgetown in our sights.
Lots of unfathomable programs above us — South Dakota, Vermont, Towson.
You can not make this stuff up.

Two things:

1) Check these rankings again in about 6 weeks. Right now they are absolutely meaningless, across the board.

2) Never in your life did you think Dayton would be in our rear-view mirror? Dayton's a solid program, but really? I think you need to set your sights a little higher.

 

[Mr_Twister]

You have some understanding of Rutgers hoops over the last 30 years? Rutgers hoops, during that time, should be thrilled to be mentioned in the same sentence with the Dayton Flyers. That is reality.

 

[GoFish2]

You have some understanding of Rutgers hoops over the last 30 years? Rutgers hoops, during that time, should be thrilled to be mentioned in the same sentence with the Dayton Flyers. That is reality.

But it's not reality. When you beat the 10 bad teams you play, and lose to the three good teams you play, it leaves us knowing very little. We have to let the season play out.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

looking at kenpom....
we are 102 overall
37 in defense
219 in offense :scream:

1.011 points per possession
#37 is 1.124 points per possession

at 69.5 possessions that is 7.85 points short.

Doesn't sound like a lot, but it is.

Let's say 12 * 7.85 = we are 94 total points short for the season

if we shoot 71% from FT (NCAA average) we make 183 vs. 163 = +20
if we shoot 3s 35% (NCAA ave.) we make 67 vs, 54 = +39
if we shoot 2s 50% (NCAA ave.) we make 288.5 vs 274 = 29

If we shot average 20+39+29=88, puts us right where we need to be.

 

[RUBigFrank]

Sagarin is a measurement, same as RPI, as the season moves on the measure takes more significance. To state it is meaningless right now is short sighted. In measuring conference strength against other conferences it finalizes once nonconference play is complete (this occurs in two weeks).

 

[Vegas pj]

looking at kenpom....
we are 102 overall
37 in defense
219 in offense :scream:

1.011 points per possession
#37 is 1.124 points per possession

at 69.5 possessions that is 7.85 points short.

Doesn't sound like a lot, but it is.

Let's say 12 * 7.85 = we are 94 total points short for the season

if we shoot 71% from FT (NCAA average) we make 183 vs. 163 = +20
if we shoot 3s 35% (NCAA ave.) we make 67 vs, 54 = +39
if we shoot 2s 50% (NCAA ave.) we make 288.5 vs 274 = 29

If we shot average 20+39+29=88, puts us right where we need to be.

So you're saying RU basketball comes up short as usual? :weary:

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I think/hope/dream that help is on it's way. there hasn't been an emphasis on recruiting guys that can shoot. i just hope the new "pikiell" recruit has the defensive upside. He has shown in the 1st 1.4 years that he can get guys to play defense and rebound. Can Thiam, Harper, Baker, Mathis, Kiss defend at a similar level of Corey or Mike?

 

[BillyC80]

When you expend so much energy on defense, with the talent you have, it will take its toll offensively. Can't keep defense a constant while simply increasing offensive output to the NCAA average, with this talent, other than on an individual game basis, where the shots are falling.

That said, upgrading overall talent and depth over time will have the desired effect...

 

[Mr_Twister]

1/1/2018 — #107 Louisiana-Lafayette, Dayton, San Diego, Iona, Oakland-Michigan, Rutgers, Princeton, Colorado, DePaul, Furman, College of Charleston.
Bethlehem, PA native Pete Joseph Carril and Bronx-accented Bobby Cremins can not be happy. As per usual Dayton has us in their rear view mirror.
Iona ahead of Rutgers?

 

[bac2therac]

How about...

 

[Mr_Twister]

#113 Connecticut, Iona, Wyoming, Tulsa, Oregon State, #118 Rutgers, St. Joseph’s, Mercer, Montana, Princeton, #123 Utah State.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

kenny has us at #123
255th offense
30th defense

15-16 5-13 is the projection
Wed Jan 10 2 Michigan St. L, 75-55 66 3% Away
Sun Jan 14 33 Ohio St. L, 70-64 69 29% Home
Wed Jan 17 88 Iowa W, 72-71 71 53% Home
Sun Jan 21 32 Michigan L, 67-55 63 13% Away
Wed Jan 24 81 Nebraska W, 67-66 68 51% Home
Sat Jan 27 41 Penn St. L, 72-61 70 15% Away
Tue Jan 30 87 Illinois L, 71-64 72 29% Away
Sat Feb 3 5 Purdue L, 74-61 69 12% Home
Mon Feb 5 91 Indiana W, 67-66 66 55% Home
Sat Feb 10 81 Nebraska L, 69-63 68 27% Away
Tue Feb 13 71 Northwestern L, 65-64 65 48% Home
Sat Feb 17 35 Maryland L, 72-60 67 13% Away
Tue Feb 20 33 Ohio St. L, 74-61 69 12% Away
Sun Feb 25 87 Illinois W, 68-67 72 53% Home

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Here is a .500 progression schedule
WIN # 2
Wed Jan 10 2 Michigan St. L, 75-55 66 3% Away
Sun Jan 14 33 Ohio St. L, 70-64 69 29% Home
Wed Jan 17 88 Iowa W, 72-71 71 53% Home
WIN #3
Sun Jan 21 32 Michigan L, 67-55 63 13% Away
Wed Jan 24 81 Nebraska W, 67-66 68 51% Home
Sat Jan 27 41 Penn St. L, 72-61 70 15% Away
Tue Jan 30 87 Illinois L, 71-64 72 29% Away
WIN #4
Sat Feb 3 5 Purdue L, 74-61 69 12% Home
Mon Feb 5 91 Indiana W, 67-66 66 55% Home
Sat Feb 10 81 Nebraska L, 69-63 68 27% Away
WIN #5
Tue Feb 13 71 Northwestern L, 65-64 65 48% Home
Sat Feb 17 35 Maryland L, 72-60 67 13% Away
Tue Feb 20 33 Ohio St. L, 74-61 69 12% Away
WIN#6
Sun Feb 25 87 Illinois W, 68-67 72 53% Home

 

[RU-ROCS]

kenny has us at #123
255th offense
30th defense

15-16 5-13 is the projection
Wed Jan 10 2 Michigan St. L, 75-55 66 3% Away
Sun Jan 14 33 Ohio St. L, 70-64 69 29% Home
Wed Jan 17 88 Iowa W, 72-71 71 53% Home
Sun Jan 21 32 Michigan L, 67-55 63 13% Away
Wed Jan 24 81 Nebraska W, 67-66 68 51% Home
Sat Jan 27 41 Penn St. L, 72-61 70 15% Away
Tue Jan 30 87 Illinois L, 71-64 72 29% Away
Sat Feb 3 5 Purdue L, 74-61 69 12% Home
Mon Feb 5 91 Indiana W, 67-66 66 55% Home
Sat Feb 10 81 Nebraska L, 69-63 68 27% Away
Tue Feb 13 71 Northwestern L, 65-64 65 48% Home
Sat Feb 17 35 Maryland L, 72-60 67 13% Away
Tue Feb 20 33 Ohio St. L, 74-61 69 12% Away
Sun Feb 25 87 Illinois W, 68-67 72 53% Home

RU certainly got a rough draw on the schedule having to play the conference's 3 best teams twice - MSU, Purdue and OSU.

 

[bac2therac]

OSU was a bottom 4 team last season

RU also draws Nebby, Illinois and they were going in the predicted bottom 5 along with RU and OSU

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

OSU was a bottom 4 team last season

RU also draws Nebby, Illinois and they were going in the predicted bottom 5 along with RU and OSU

At least we don't have Iowa twice.

 

[RU-ROCS]

OSU was a bottom 4 team last season

RU also draws Nebby, Illinois and they were going in the predicted bottom 5 along with RU and OSU

I'm not suggesting a pre-season conspiracy against RU by the scheduling mavens. But, as it turns out, with OSU's resurgence, we have a very tough conference schedule because we play what will most likely be the top-3 teams in the conference 6 times. I'm not sure any other team in the conference has to do that. (For example MSU, Purdue and OSU all face each other only once!) No one knew OSU would be so good. But, Purdue and MSU were consensus top-3 in the conference preseason.

 

[RUJMM78]

I'm not suggesting a pre-season conspiracy against RU by the scheduling mavens. But, as it turns out, with OSU's resurgence, we have a very tough conference schedule because we play what will most likely be the top-3 teams in the conference 6 times. I'm not sure any other team in the conference has to do that. (For example MSU, Purdue and OSU all face each other only once!) No one knew OSU would be so good. But, Purdue and MSU were consensus top-3 in the conference preseason.

When you are a new member to a league and not successful its not surprising that the B1G is showing no favors toward Rutgers in scheduling.I don't see Maryland having problems successfully competing in the B1G because they attract top tier talent on a continual basis.

 

[RU-ROCS]

When you are a new member to a league and not successful its not surprising that the B1G is showing no favors toward Rutgers in scheduling.I don't see Maryland having problems successfully competing in the B1G because they attract top tier talent on a continual basis.

MD is and has been for years world’s ahead of us in Hoops. But, FWIW they only play Purdue and OSU once this year.

 

[ScarletDave]

It’s not a “conspiracy” .. the B1G schedules it’s games to benefit the top teams. Purely business. They predict RU to be near the bottom, hence giving the big teams 2 games against us. Think about who the other bad teams you would have predicted and take a look at the schedules .. just as you would make it to benefit the top. Has always been this way.

 

[bac2therac]

stop it.....RU was given 2 games against Nebby, 2 against Illinois, 2 against OSU...they were teams expected to be in the bottom 6 this year...how can you refute that. OSU has surprised. They also got 2 games against MSU and Purdue....thats how you balance a schedule out. Did you want RU to just play the bottom schools 2x and no one in the top....the schedule is fair, the way the games are played when may be manipulated but in the unbalanced schedule they are trying to make it as even as they can

 

[knightfan7]

stop it.....RU was given 2 games against Nebby, 2 against Illinois, 2 against OSU...they were teams expected to be in the bottom 6 this year...how can you refute that. OSU has surprised. They also got 2 games against MSU and Purdue....thats how you balance a schedule out. Did you want RU to just play the bottom schools 2x and no one in the top....the schedule is fair, the way the games are played when may be manipulated but in the unbalanced schedule they are trying to make it as even as they can

I'm guessing before the season started many here had penciled in no worse than 1-1 vs OSU.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

OSUperhaps was under ranked but we benefit from hosting a lot of potential bottom 7 teams....Iowa Nebraska Illinois Indiana NW and WIsconsin...thats 6 opportunities for RU to grow.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Having a home game, showcasing the RAC against top teams is exactly what we want in trying to get recruits.......as long as we dont get louisvilled

 

[bac2therac]

Northwestern was suppose to be a top 5 team...they get

I'm guessing before the season started many here had penciled in no worse than 1-1 vs OSU.

true....even 2-0. Fact is there are no league teams that you can pencil wins in, even Nebraska is much tougher than expected. RU gets a break that Northwestern is not as good as expected so all this stuff breaks out, Iowa was supposed to be good and they are not and RU gets them at home