Pac12 dissolution discussion

[JayDogSmooth]

Teams will leave a few years early when the fees are outweighed by their increased revenue in their new conference, but t not anytime soon.

Again, Wel agree to disagree on that point

Any team worth anything (FSU, Clemson, Carolina, Miami) is not waiting until 2036, or 2034, etc

The financial disparity or waiting 10 years would literally kill those athletic depts - we’d be talking minimum of 400 million dollars behind

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

The SEC putting all its financial eggs in the espin basket will likely prove to be a big ol mistake. Personally, Disney can’t fail enough…as in like if they went under I’d consider it a holiday, but even if they don’t, they are in trouble…and to some extent, so is the SEC. Skankey is a bad commish…sadly, his tenure likely has many years left on it. Long term, the b1g is clearly in the best possible shape. 5 years ago I would have laughed at that assertion.

 

[rutgersguy1]

The SEC putting all its financial eggs in the espin basket will likely prove to be a big ol mistake. Personally, Disney can’t fail enough…as in like if they went under I’d consider it a holiday, but even if they don’t, they are in trouble…and to some extent, so is the SEC. Skankey is a bad commish…sadly, his tenure likely has many years left on it. Long term, the b1g is clearly in the best possible shape. 5 years ago I would have laughed at that assertion.

The SEC will be fine. What the B10 has done helps everyone, including the SEC. Having more players with an interest and stake in CFB is good biz for everyone but especially the biggest assets in CFB like the B10 and SEC.

I’ve said this before but I wouldn’t be surprised if ESPN in the future has a piece of the B10 tv package again and that the SEC will have parts of its tv package on networks other than ESPN.

 

[Doctor Worm]

This tweet makes it sound like everything comes down to what certain conferences/schools want to do, and completely ignores that they can’t do shit without the approval of networks that control them.

The SEC is under complete control of ESPN, but the tweet says the SEC will be part of a reorganization that has ESPN pay 70-80% what they do now for the WHOLE ACC for the rights and partial rights that only add up to 30-40% of the content they have now with the whole ACC.

This would take away hundreds of hours of cheap live content for ESPN and they will just go along with it.

I am certain of this - if the ACC does vote to disband, this ends up in court, with ESPN partnering as co-plaintiffs with the seven ACC schools that were left behind. That will take a while. Would not be shocked if it reaches SCOTUS.

 

[NickRU714]

Why is the Big Ten repeatedly looking to destroy it's longest(?) Conference partner - just in service if a little bit more money?
Is the money really worth potentially destroying college athletics?

Pretty easy to see that the Big Ten and SEC power grabs are bigger threats to "college athletics" than any "money grabs" by athletes or coaches.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Teams will leave a few years early when the fees are outweighed by their increased revenue in their new conference, but t not anytime soon.

If ESPN trually thought that the ACC will vote to dissolve the conference ending ESPN's 12 or more year contract and all their Sports Content, they would jump at renegotiating the Contract.

Pretext for opening a new contract.

ESPN/ABC will do what is in their best financial interest.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[krup]

If ESPN trually thought that the ACC will vote to dissolve the conference ending ESPN's 12 or more year contract and all their Sports Content, they would jump at renegotiating the Contract.

Pretext for opening a new contract.

ESPN/ABC will do what is in their best financial interest.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

ESPN has no worries that it will ever get that far, because the SEC won’t add without their cooperation and they aren’t going to cooperate.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Well that is interesting. The tweet states that there are currently seven ACC votes, including ND, to dissolve the conference. The implication is that with one more vote, the ACC goes bye-bye and let the chaos begin.

I have a very hard time believing that:

* I can't imagine that the ACC bylaws allow for dissolution by simple majority vote. I would think that would require some level of supermajority. But who knows.

* I also can't imagine that the ACC gave voting rights to partial-member ND. But again, who knows.

* Even so, I think this is moot because I don't know where that eighth vote is coming from. But if the deal is attractive enough, I guess an eighth voter can be bought.

I suggest we invest in popcorn futures.

they didn't

 

[RUTGERS95]

there are some things wrong in there from what I know but I have to say; told you so

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

The SEC will be fine. What the B10 has done helps everyone, including the SEC. Having more players with an interest and stake in CFB is good biz for everyone but especially the biggest assets in CFB like the B10 and SEC.

I’ve said this before but I wouldn’t be surprised if ESPN in the future has a piece of the B10 tv package again and that the SEC will have parts of its tv package on networks other than ESPN.

Could not disagree more..but that’s ok…it is an opinion. Once the economy craters…so much is going to change and athletic depts (especially those heavily dependent on state cash) will be hit hard…

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[rutgersguy1]

Again, Wel agree to disagree on that point

Any team worth anything (FSU, Clemson, Carolina, Miami) is not waiting until 2036, or 2034, etc

The financial disparity or waiting 10 years would literally kill those athletic depts - we’d be talking minimum of 400 million dollars behind

First time I've read by an actual sports reporter (not blogger) about 7 schools possibly looking for solutions. Nonetheless, still sounds like more bark than bite and no real or easy solution.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

First time I've read by an actual sports reporter (not blogger) about 7 schools possibly looking for solutions. Nonetheless, still sounds like more bark than bite and no real or easy solution.

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There’s definitely no easy solutions

The GOR is a massive obstacle, and getting additional schools on board with exiting, and finding landing places for them, is also complicated

 

[krup]

First time I've read by an actual sports reporter (not blogger) about 7 schools possibly looking for solutions. Nonetheless, still sounds like more bark than bite and no real or easy solution.

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The biggest giveaway that this story is bullshit is that we are hearing about it long before it happens.

We hear about potential decisions conferences make to replace schools they lose, like the AAC adding teams, or the B12 adding their 4, but we don’t hear about Power conference moves (OU/TX, USC/UCLA , etc). well in advance,

 

[JayDogSmooth]

The biggest giveaway that this story is bullshit is that we are hearing about it long before it happens.

We hear about potential decisions conferences make to replace schools they lose, like the AAC adding teams, or the B12 adding their 4, but we don’t hear about Power conference moves (OU/TX, USC/UCLA , etc). well in advance,

Could be
Hard to dichpher what is legit and what’s BS

I think what makes it interesting are a lot of schools in the ACC are now starting to see what the long term financial implications are a falling behind the Big Ten and the SEC

Schools that were initially content with staying in the ACC are now apparently having second thoughts

One could say that Michael Alford at FSU leading the charge was the impetus for this as he pointed out the staggering money differences, but it’s mind-boggling that he had to go public for the rest of the schools to finally take notice

 

[retired711]

As a Cal alum, I'm interested that there is *no* mention of Cal or Stanford in the article.

I have absolutely nothing to go on, but I don't think UCLA and USC are going to want to indefinitely be the only schools two or three time zones away from the rest of the Big Ten.

 

[bigmatt718]

As a Cal alum, I'm interested that there is *no* mention of Cal or Stanford in the article.

I have absolutely nothing to go on, but I don't think UCLA and USC are going to want to indefinitely be the only schools two or three time zones away from the rest of the Big Ten.

I'm with you. The B1G said they made a mistake leaving Penn State on an island in the Northeast that they rectified decades later by adding Rutgers and Maryland. I don't expect the B1G to duplicate that mistake by leaving USC and UCLA on an island out West. By 2030 I'm almost expecting at least 2 of Cal/Stanford/Oregon/Washington in the B1G foothold and likely all 4.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Could be
Hard to dichpher what is legit and what’s BS

I think what makes it interesting are a lot of schools in the ACC are now starting to see what the long term financial implications are a falling behind the Big Ten and the SEC

Schools that were initially content with staying in the ACC are now apparently having second thoughts

One could say that Michael Alford at FSU leading the charge was the impetus for this as he pointed out the staggering money differences, but it’s mind-boggling that he had to go public for the rest of the schools to finally take notice

I still see it as all bluster from the ones talking in public. An uneven revenue sharing plan (where the other schools really have no incentive to do so), doesn't come close to closing the gap either. I read somewhere it could garner maybe at most an extra 5M for the higher status schools but that's not 30-40M.

Until I see the GOR broken not just in theory or bluster, I won't believe it.

The only thing in that article that was new was hearing about 7 ACC schools and I hadn't seen that anywhere except from our FSU/RU fan here through his rich FSU booster friend.

 

[rutgersguy1]

I'm with you. The B1G said they made a mistake leaving Penn State on an island in the Northeast that they rectified decades later by adding Rutgers and Maryland. I don't expect the B1G to duplicate that mistake by leaving USC and UCLA on an island out West. By 2030 I'm almost expecting at least 2 of Cal/Stanford/Oregon/Washington in the B1G foothold and likely all 4.

I've always said I believe there will be more schools from the west but who knows the timetable and tv contract expirations are pressure points for movement.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Could not disagree more..but that’s ok…it is an opinion. Once the economy craters…so much is going to change and athletic depts (especially those heavily dependent on state cash) will be hit hard…

We had a financial crash in the late 2000s and a pandemic recently but ADs got by.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I still see it as all bluster from the ones talking in public. An uneven revenue sharing plan (where the other schools really have no incentive to do so), doesn't come close to closing the gap either. I read somewhere it could garner maybe at most an extra 5M for the higher status schools but that's not 30-40M.

Until I see the GOR broken not just in theory or bluster, I won't believe it.

The only thing in that article that was new was hearing about 7 ACC schools and I hadn't seen that anywhere except from our FSU/RU fan here through his rich FSU booster friend.

Unequal revenue sharing is a bad aid at best

The GOR, as the guys and one of my favorite podcasts put it, was written by “people who sleep well at night”

I’m actually surprised it took additional schools this long to realize the financial implications falling further behind the Big Ten and the SEC

The numbers don’t lie, staying in that conference until 2036 or somewhere near there will literally kill these programs

 

[rutgersguy1]

Unequal revenue sharing is a bad aid at best

The GOR, as the guys and one of my favorite podcasts put it, was written by “people who sleep well at night”

I’m actually surprised it took additional schools this long to realize the financial implications falling further behind the Big Ten and the SEC

The numbers don’t lie, staying in that conference until 2036 or somewhere near there will literally kill these programs

I don't agree it kills them (FSU/Clemson etc...) necessarily. I think that's just melodrama. Yea they will be 30-40M behind or whatever number and hundreds of millions over a decade but so what. Their main competition in the ACC is in the same boat and with lesser resources and support than they have.

What they need is access and that's what they have with autobids and the CFP expanding to 12 (who knows maybe 16 somewhere down the line). If run correctly any of them will still be contenders and worthy of moving into the B10/SEC without the cumbersome GOR hanging over them in a decade.

TCU didn't have the resources of P5/P6 schools and they fared well with Patterson/Dykes to the point where they went from the WAC to CUSA to MWC to the P5 B12. Cincy has done the same through multiple coaches up now to the P5 B12. UCF also. BYU. SDSU might be making a jump soon too.

Those schools didn't die off into nothingness but upgraded all the while with less resources and exposure of P5 schools. On a higher plane, the Clemsons/FSUs etc..can do the same into the B10 or SEC down the line. It's not some death knell to be stuck in the ACC for the next decade plus and they have every opportunity to be successful CFP contenders and ready to make a jump in a decade plus time.

 

[MADHAT1]

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do you believe this site and sharing what you think is good info from a reliable source.
Without a comment by you, looks that way

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I don't agree it kills them (FSU/Clemson etc...) necessarily. I think that's just melodrama. Yea they will be 30-40M behind or whatever number and hundreds of millions over a decade but so what. Their main competition in the ACC is in the same boat and with lesser resources and support than they have.

What they need is access and that's what they have with autobids and the CFP expanding to 12 (who knows maybe 16 somewhere down the line). If run correctly any of them will still be contenders and worthy of moving into the B10/SEC without the cumbersome GOR hanging over them in a decade.

TCU didn't have the resources of P5/P6 schools and they fared well with Patterson/Dykes to the point where they went from the WAC to CUSA to MWC to the P5 B12. Cincy has done the same through multiple coaches up now to the P5 B12. UCF also. BYU. SDSU might be making a jump soon too.

Those schools didn't die off into nothingness but upgraded all the while with less resources and exposure of P5 schools. On a higher plane, the Clemsons/FSUs etc..can do the same into the B10 or SEC down the line. It's not some death knell to be stuck in the ACC for the next decade plus and they have every opportunity to be successful CFP contenders and ready to make a jump in a decade plus time.

I agree with you that short term, and being in the ACC with the expanded playoffs, will not kill them

However, long-term, they will be a minimum of $500 million dollars behind their peers if they remained in the ACC

That number is insurmountable, and will essentially kill their programs

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

The SEC putting all its financial eggs in the espin basket will likely prove to be a big ol mistake. Personally, Disney can’t fail enough…as in like if they went under I’d consider it a holiday, but even if they don’t, they are in trouble…and to some extent, so is the SEC. Skankey is a bad commish…sadly, his tenure likely has many years left on it. Long term, the b1g is clearly in the best possible shape. 5 years ago I would have laughed at that assertion.

Weird post bro.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

First time I've read by an actual sports reporter (not blogger) about 7 schools possibly looking for solutions. Nonetheless, still sounds like more bark than bite and no real or easy solution.

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Good summary, but short on details.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I am certain of this - if the ACC does vote to disband, this ends up in court, with ESPN partnering as co-plaintiffs with the seven ACC schools that were left behind. That will take a while. Would not be shocked if it reaches SCOTUS.

Why do you think this would reach SCOTUS. I don’t see how this would possibly merit SCOTUS review/adjudication.

 

[RUTGERS95]

that's their problem for signing a very long, very binding, and very near sighted agreement

love with consequences

UCF now makes more than FSU haahahahahahahahahaha

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Could not disagree more..but that’s ok…it is an opinion. Once the economy craters…so much is going to change and athletic depts (especially those heavily dependent on state cash) will be hit hard…

Once the economy craters? Wut? Seriously, are you posting from your prepper bunker?

 

[JayDogSmooth]

that's their problem for signing a very long, very binding, and very near sighted agreement

love with consequences

UCF now makes more than FSU haahahahahahahahahaha

Alford mentioned this exact thing re UCF

Crazy that they all signed it then sogned the extension

Thank God we’re back to being relavent again - Mike has turned the ship around, and has us on the cusp of being Elite once again

If this shit was happening a few years ago when Willy was in charge and the program is in shambles, I’d be furious.

Regardless of current money differential, the standard remains the same.

Championships and nothing less

 

[Knight Shift]

do you believe this site and sharing what you think is good info from a reliable source.
Without a comment by you, looks that way

No worse than what the Teslarati share in the EV thread?

It's widely known that Message Board Geniuses flag silly posts on message boards, and that is why our own rutgersal is on his third or fourth appearance over there. But it is a bellweather for the more irrational fans (or at least the irrational opinions of some fans) in various teams' fanbases. I'll try to remember to put a boilerplate disclaimer going forward warning people I do not endorse or believe the posts. Not doing that go a President of a local university in hot water recently for liking tweets, and he was accused of endorsing the tweets.

This is all entertainment and speculation, particularly this thread, so don't see the harm of adding a little levity.

 

[rucoe89]

As a Cal alum, I'm interested that there is *no* mention of Cal or Stanford in the article.

I have absolutely nothing to go on, but I don't think UCLA and USC are going to want to indefinitely be the only schools two or three time zones away from the rest of the Big Ten.

As a relative of both a Cal alum and a Stanford alum (and friends with many from both institutions), really hoping both can get in into the B1G, but I fear they are behind Oregon and Washington in the pecking order. Ideally I would like to see all 4 join the B1G and have the B1G lock up the entire West Coast.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I don't agree it kills them (FSU/Clemson etc...) necessarily. I think that's just melodrama. Yea they will be 30-40M behind or whatever number and hundreds of millions over a decade but so what. Their main competition in the ACC is in the same boat and with lesser resources and support than they have.

What they need is access and that's what they have with autobids and the CFP expanding to 12 (who knows maybe 16 somewhere down the line). If run correctly any of them will still be contenders and worthy of moving into the B10/SEC without the cumbersome GOR hanging over them in a decade.

TCU didn't have the resources of P5/P6 schools and they fared well with Patterson/Dykes to the point where they went from the WAC to CUSA to MWC to the P5 B12. Cincy has done the same through multiple coaches up now to the P5 B12. UCF also. BYU. SDSU might be making a jump soon too.

Those schools didn't die off into nothingness but upgraded all the while with less resources and exposure of P5 schools. On a higher plane, the Clemsons/FSUs etc..can do the same into the B10 or SEC down the line. It's not some death knell to be stuck in the ACC for the next decade plus and they have every opportunity to be successful CFP contenders and ready to make a jump in a decade plus time.

I think that success in the CFB playoff will be much more important in the future. The TV/streaming dollars are important, but these schools can count on rich boosters and the Wild West lack of rules regarding transfers and NIL to keep their schools relevant.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I think that success in the CFB playoff will be much more important in the future. The TV/streaming dollars are important, but these schools can count on rich boosters and the Wild West lack of rules regarding transfers and NIL to keep their schools relevant.

That could be true for Texas or A&M, but we don’t have the boosters that they do (numbers or $$ wise)

We’re a younger school, do you not have generations of doctors and lawyers like they do, no oil, money, and have always done more with less vs our peers

 

[JayDogSmooth]

That could be true for Texas or A&M, but we don’t have the boosters that they do (numbers or $$ wise)

We’re a younger school, do you not have generations of doctors and lawyers like they do, no oil, money, and have always done more with less vs our peers

Battles End is our main and NIL collective for football and has done great work, but they cannot overcome a $500 million shortfall

 

[rutgersguy1]

That could be true for Texas or A&M, but we don’t have the boosters that they do (numbers or $$ wise)

We’re a younger school, do you not have generations of doctors and lawyers like they do, no oil, money, and have always done more with less vs our peers

FSU just bumped Norvell from 4.5M to 8M off one very nice season and it’s a long term deal too, like 7-8 years. Doesn’t sound like a school with lack of resources.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

FSU just bumped Norvell from 4.5M to 8M off one very nice season and it’s a long term deal too, like 7-8 years. Doesn’t sound like a school with lack of resources.

FSU is definitely not poor, but compared to our peers (Gata, Bama, UGA, etc) we are not wealthy

Bobby always got by with doing more with less, and towards the end of Jimbo’s tenure, he was always bemoaning the fact that we did not have the resources of others

Throw in the disaster of Jimbo, thrasher, Waldo and Andy Miller (end of his tenure) and you had the debacle that you saw towards the end of Jimbo and through willies tenure

We got 20 donors to pony up $1 million each to buy a Willy, so yes well, while we are certainly not poor, we cannot afford to make the same mistakes again moving forward

 

[rutgersguy1]

Kind of intuitive but nonetheless, good info and why the B10 tv deal was a smart one.

 

[rutgersguy1]

 

[JayDogSmooth]

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Very surprised that Louisville isn’t on the list as they’ve invested a ton of $$ into athletics the past few years

Between papa Johns massive donor, new refurbished fb stadium, the Yum Center, etc