Pac12 dissolution discussion
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Better football
Closer travel partners
Getting out of a dying conference where multiple members are leeches and leadership has been non existent
Closer travel partners? Provo? Ames? Lubbock?
In the end, I don’t care what the Middle 3 conferences do. Louisville is more on par academically with the Big 12 anyway. Always thought it was a mistake on the ACC’s part on adding Appalachia Boise State.
In the end, I don’t care what the Middle 3 conferences do. Louisville is more on par academically with the Big 12 anyway. Always thought it was a mistake on the ACC’s part on adding Appalachia Boise State.
I’m actually surprised it took them this long to put ville in the mix
Figured they’d be on the initial list
Cincy and WVU particularly
I could see the Cincy - ville rivalry getting heated
I’ve told you before he’s a bad source. He just throws a thousand things out there.
the legal issues around tampering are well documented in all of this. No way has B12 extended an invite to prior to any announcement from UL to notify conference of leaving. nope
I’m not super well-versed in the world of tampering, so I assume this all goes through some sort of batch channeling process. Like wondering
Seeing USC, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma all came to fruition recently is crazy
you don't need to be a lawyer or rocket scientist to read through the lines that B12 would be owned by the ACC for any offer to UL today
Well he’s a former CBS/ESPN CFB reporter working at a smaller outfit now after being let go but he has a history so I’d give his reports some credence but not these random Twitterati and bloggers.
Pitt would be fine in B12. WVU, Pitt, LV, and Cinci. Sewercuse and BC can join the AAC or MAC. That's good for them.
like the way you think!
I've nothing against Pitt to be honest but sarah and bc could die long slow deaths in the sarlacc!
I get that
McMurphy tweeted about the 7 schools yesterday
Fascinating stuff all around
Why wouldn’t it go in the other direction in 2030 (B12 tv deal comes up) where WVU, Cincy, UCF go to the ACC assuming the ACC doesn’t have a massive loss of schools. It would be a better geographic fit. Throw UConn in too. It would likely at least be a wash money wise with the B12 but work better geographically.
Lol ahh
Like I was saying before, I would love to be a fly on the wall during the meetings there this week
Merely thinking about visiting Syracuse gives me the shakes
I couldn’t imagine actually living there
10 year ago is ancient history, you better not say that when talking about Rutgers’ heyday or they are gonna come for u😀
It’s worse than they because they are implying that all 8 know they have a place to go after the ACC.
- The SEC, B1G, and B12 extending offers to current ACC members would open them up to an easily winnable lawsuit by the schools left behind.
- That’s not the way the SEC and B1G work with additions anyway. All of the other groundwork is completed and then the offer is made.
Pitt should have the Big 12 to fall back on if the ACC breaks apart.
Syracuse and BC might have it tougher, but the Boston Market might help BC get B-12 eyes on them.
People think the B12 is in a position of power but they forget one day you’re the windshield the next day you’re the bug and so on and so forth. The B12 was in a tenuous spot not long ago and people seem to forget.
The strength of the B12 is that they’re the “unwanted.” If the ACC loses some schools but still keep enough to be a solid group suddenly some of those B12 schools will be wanted and would be a more natural fit for the ACC.
I’ve kind of talked myself into thinking 2030 could be a time for some movement and resolution for the ACC. That’s when the B12 potentials could be available and a deal could be struck with the schools wanting to leave. Maybe even 3-4 years early depending on how cooperative they are and how much money they can fork over to fund the new additions.
The unwanted Vitamin Conference might become a bit stronger if the PAC loses more schools to the B1G and the B-12 gets the pick of litter left.
Then if the top ACC programs jump to the B1G & SEC the best ACC leftovers might look at joining the Big 12 as a better choice than rebuilding the ACC with the best looking mid major programs or even making a Eact West Coast Conference made op of leftover ACC and PAC programs hoping to have that paring considered P-5 worthy .
No one can really tell what will happen , but I doubt the ACC will be a major player in the program acquisition game, unless it renegotiates it's TV rights deal so it has more to offer it's own members and programs in the B-12 it thinks might be a way to make the conference more appealing to the average college football fan .
The B12 tv deal is like 31-32M iirc and the ACC is a little higher than that.
The money is a wash, it’s the geography that’s the plus.
I think there is one B12 factor people ignore.
Signing a short, 6 year, TV contract has worked well for the B1G and is likely to continue to do so in the future because they are in a position of power.
Well, B12 just did that and they aren’t that powerful. If ESPN and others continue to struggle, the B12 may regret not locking in a longer term.
Also, if the ACC breaks up eventually and the PAC12 is gone or a non factor, what if that is the time the networks and the SEC/B1G decide to do the breakaway where the SEC and B1G turn into the NFC and AFC and everyone else is the minor leagues?
I can see the ACC schools who can get into the SEC and B1G wanting out. The ACC to B12 schools might regret what they helped set in motion.
At some point ESPN will need to decide whether it is worthwhile to throw a few more bucks the ACC's way in order to maintain conference stability for their network. If they believe the GOR is impenetrable then they may just sit back and let Phillips try to manage through the discontent.
I guess ND has a card to play as well. Sounds like NBC is not bending over backwards to meet their desired terms on a renewal. I can't see them making full commitment to the ACC.
How many teams is the B12 rumored to be interested in? Almost easier to come up with a list of who they are not rumored not to be interested in rather than those they are. Not all of these schools can be considered significant value adds to a network deal.
I guess ND has a card to play as well. Sounds like NBC is not bending over backwards to meet their desired terms on a renewal. I can't see them making full commitment to the ACC.
How many teams is the B12 rumored to be interested in? Almost easier to come up with a list of who they are not rumored not to be interested in rather than those they are. Not all of these schools can be considered significant value adds to a network deal.
Forgive me for being Captain Obvious:
Florida State is obviously an attractive school for a conference to have. (I don't want to get into the debate about how important it is or isn't, it doesn't matter.) . I would expect the SEC to be very interested if Florida State becomes available. Maybe the Big Ten would too, but that would require the Big Ten to abandon its commitment to having only schools that have been members of the Association of American Universities (although I doubt this would stop the Big Ten from taking Notre Dame) and it would require the Big Ten to want to move into the Southeast before it takes on more Pacific coast schools. (IMHO, UCLA and USC are not going to want indefinitely to play almost all road games -- and not only in revenue sports -- two to three time zones away, and both schools would look askance at the Big Ten taking on yet another school, Florida State, that is three time zones away).
But no one is going to take on Florida State so long as the ACC's GOR is in force. It is just too legally risky. An individual or business can be sued for inducing the party to a contract to break it. Maybe the GOR can itself be broken in court, but as a lawyer I think this is a long shot.
Fllorida State is in no better position as a member of the Magnificent Seven. Unless the GOR is unenforceable, breaking away from the ACCwould be a breach of contract. The only way this makes sense would be if the Seven think that on their own they could get a *much* better TV contract than as members of the ACC -- so much better than the TV deal would more than offset the legal costs from breaking the GOR. That seems to me unlikely. So it seems to me the Seven lack the leverage to force unequal revenue distribution on the other ACC schools.
So to me the idea that the ACC is about to fall apart or that Florida State on its own will break away is fallacious.
Florida State is obviously an attractive school for a conference to have. (I don't want to get into the debate about how important it is or isn't, it doesn't matter.) . I would expect the SEC to be very interested if Florida State becomes available. Maybe the Big Ten would too, but that would require the Big Ten to abandon its commitment to having only schools that have been members of the Association of American Universities (although I doubt this would stop the Big Ten from taking Notre Dame) and it would require the Big Ten to want to move into the Southeast before it takes on more Pacific coast schools. (IMHO, UCLA and USC are not going to want indefinitely to play almost all road games -- and not only in revenue sports -- two to three time zones away, and both schools would look askance at the Big Ten taking on yet another school, Florida State, that is three time zones away).
But no one is going to take on Florida State so long as the ACC's GOR is in force. It is just too legally risky. An individual or business can be sued for inducing the party to a contract to break it. Maybe the GOR can itself be broken in court, but as a lawyer I think this is a long shot.
Fllorida State is in no better position as a member of the Magnificent Seven. Unless the GOR is unenforceable, breaking away from the ACCwould be a breach of contract. The only way this makes sense would be if the Seven think that on their own they could get a *much* better TV contract than as members of the ACC -- so much better than the TV deal would more than offset the legal costs from breaking the GOR. That seems to me unlikely. So it seems to me the Seven lack the leverage to force unequal revenue distribution on the other ACC schools.
So to me the idea that the ACC is about to fall apart or that Florida State on its own will break away is fallacious.
I think Pitt is fine as they'll end up in the Big 12 with Louisville, Cincy, and WVU. Cuse/BC/Wake are doomed 5 ways to Sunday.
Well that's a horse of a different color and makes my grand design for the B-12 not look as good as I thought .
It has been mentioned before that the GOR can’t be gotten rid of with anything but a unanimous vote.
These rumors seem to imply that there is number of schools that can be reached to dissolve the conference, making the GOR irrelevant. However, no one is saying what that number is and I don’t see how they get to 10+ given the schools uncertain to have a future home,
So far, what I am getting from this thread --- Syracuse, BC, Pitt, VaTech, Miami: K-A-R-M-A
Some will land somewhere; others will ask to join the AAC.
Some will land somewhere; others will ask to join the AAC.
8 schools are needed to “dissolve” the GOR
The issue isn’t getting 8
It’s getting 8 a landing spot, and of equal importance, getting out of the GOR
