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Pac12 dissolution discussion

you guys understand that the schools control their content, the conference then gets' it with approval from schools, conference sells the content to the likes of espn. espn is running on thin allowances and is expected to go all in on SEC because if they lose even a piece of SEC, it's game over for ESPN. That won't leave much money to offer the ACC who will be BEHIND the 2nd SEC deal.

ESPN can only push based on monies provided, they don't control shit
 
OK, maybe FSU would fight the GOR alone in court. The problem is: do they have a winning legal argument? If they do, it's been a well-kept secret.
 
Scarlet Jerry said:
Google "purity of the sport" and you will see examples of what I mean. College football used to be about pure sportsmanship and athletic competition, not money, and TV, and something that is trying to replicate professional sports. I prefer that the in-game experience focus on the game and traditions (For example, I want to hear the marching band, not piped in music) Coaches should focus on strategy and the game while it's being played, and not have to worry about giving interviews while teams are on the field. All of this is a symptom of our increasingly short attention span. Can't we just focus on the game and have some down time between plays instead of having to be "entertained" during every minute of the game?

I know this sounds like an old man rant, but I do long for a time when college football games were about the actual sport rather than trying to "entertain" us with glitz and constant distractions that have continued to creep into the game experience.

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I'm pretty damn old, and I do not remember a time when college football was "about pure sportsmanship and athletic competition."
 
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retired711 said:
OK, maybe FSU would fight the GOR alone in court. The problem is: do they have a winning legal argument? If they do, it's been a well-kept secret.
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Those are the risks - fighting it alone, and can they win
Both are the 64,000 questions

What they can't do is stand pat - b/c if they do, they'll be regulated to mid-major status right before our eyes
 
jaydogsmooth1 said:
Those are the risks - fighting it alone, and can they win
Both are the 64,000 questions

What they can't do is stand pat - b/c if they do, they'll be regulated to mid-major status right before our eyes
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Of course they can bring suit to contend that the GOR isn't binding. But if they don't have a respectable legal argument (and I haven't heard of one yet) they're wasting their time.
 
retired711 said:
Of course they can bring suit to contend that the GOR isn't binding. But if they don't have a respectable legal argument (and I haven't heard of one yet) they're wasting their time.
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I'm not privy one way or the other if they have a valid legal argument; what I've heard second hand is it's debatable at best, and obviously super risky if they went at it alone

What I've also been told is there's literally zero chance they'll stay in the currently constructed ACC being 30-40mil/year behind their peers, regardless of the risks

With that being said, I'll let the lawyers figure that part out - it's above my pay grade, and something I'm clearly not proficient in

In the meantime, I'll focus on what I can do; contribute to Boosters and their NIL Collective, buy season tickets, go to games, purchase merchandise, etc. while things above me and beyond my control happen in the background
 
jaydogsmooth1 said:
I'm not privy one way or the other if they have a valid legal argument; what I've heard second hand is it's debatable at best, and obviously super risky if they went at it alone

What I've also been told is there's literally zero chance they'll stay in the currently constructed ACC being 30-40mil/year behind their peers, regardless of the risks

With that being said, I'll let the lawyers figure that part out - it's above my pay grade, and something I'm clearly not proficient in

In the meantime, I'll focus on what I can do; contribute to Boosters and their NIL Collective, buy season tickets, go to games, purchase merchandise, etc. while things above me and beyond my control happen in the background
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Like the song says, "Be true to your school/ Just like you would to your girl or guy."https://genius.com/The-beach-boys-be-true-to-your-school-lyrics
 
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Just as they’re about to enter the B10 next year.

Edit: Just saw the statement. Sounds like health related issues.





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I’ve always said at least two more from the west but I guess we’ll see. Nebraska prez mentioning even possibly 4.

 
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I’ve mentioned here before I could envision a time where the SEC and B10 could line up their deals to package together and chop up among the networks. If the B10 grows to 20-24 teams, they have a lot of inventory to chop up themselves but couldn’t rule out working with the SEC.

Nebraska prez also touches on the the idea of being national. I’ve thought that was the best response to the SEC move of Texas and OU. But if you’re going to be national you have to be national as in more from the west and then eventually the east and hopefully a ND cherry on top.

 
rutgersguy1 said:
I’ve mentioned here before I could envision a time where the SEC and B10 could line up their deals to package together and chop up among the networks. If the B10 grows to 20-24 teams, they have a lot of inventory to chop up themselves but couldn’t rule out working with the SEC.

Nebraska prez also touches on the the idea of being national. I’ve thought that was the best response to the SEC move of Texas and OU. But if you’re going to be national you have to be national as in more from the west and then eventually the east and hopefully a ND cherry on top.

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Interesting. I never thought of the B1G and SEC being in cahoots with one another but it makes sense. They would collaborate on which schools to ultimately take in among the Middle 3 (ACC, Big 12, and Pac 12). Ultimately I can see 24 teams in the B1G and SEC, the Big 12 would stand alone as the mid level power conference, and the ACC/Pac 12 remnants either joining forces or going to the AAC/MW respectively.
 
bigmatt718 said:
Interesting. I never thought of the B1G and SEC being in cahoots with one another but it makes sense. They would collaborate on which schools to ultimately take in among the Middle 3 (ACC, Big 12, and Pac 12). Ultimately I can see 24 teams in the B1G and SEC, the Big 12 would stand alone as the mid level power conference, and the ACC/Pac 12 remnants either joining forces or going to the AAC/MW respectively.
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There would be an antitrust problem if the two conferences agreed on which would take which schools. But I agree that we're heading for 24 teams in each conference --maybe there will be even more. I think the Big Ten will end with four more West Coast schools, bringing it to 20, and there might be more than four ACC schools that would want to go to the Big Ten and that the Big Ten would want.
 
We'll get 2 more out of the Pac12 and the focus moves to ACC

B1G has to decide if Oregon academics are good enough. UW/Cal or Oregon/Cal
 
RUTGERS95 said:
We'll get 2 more out of the Pac12 and the focus moves to ACC

B1G has to decide if Oregon academics are good enough. UW/Cal or Oregon/Cal
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I would be very surprised if Stanford is left out in the cold. It has a better athletic record over time than Cal and the school is at least as prestigious as Northwestern with comparable size.

P.S. Oregon is an AAU school. No question that its academics are good enough for the B1G.
 
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The BiG makes always keeps things to the vest and one the AD’s speaks openly about raiding other conferences for teams?
I don’t get it? Did I miss something?
 
bigmatt718 said:
Interesting. I never thought of the B1G and SEC being in cahoots with one another but it makes sense. They would collaborate on which schools to ultimately take in among the Middle 3 (ACC, Big 12, and Pac 12). Ultimately I can see 24 teams in the B1G and SEC, the Big 12 would stand alone as the mid level power conference, and the ACC/Pac 12 remnants either joining forces or going to the AAC/MW respectively.
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I don't think you'd see the B10 and SEC in the open or off the record deciding on which conference which school. I think they would do that independently of each other and decide whatever is best for themselves.

The only thing I've envisioned was possibly some time in the future, who knows when, is that they could line their tv packages up so they could market them together to the networks to chop up. If the B10 grows large enough and is actually national, it's less necessary because they will already have a lot to sell but you can only gain more leverage with the networks if you have even more premium brands to put on the table. For the networks its also an opportunity for many, if not all of them, to have exposure to both the B10 and SEC. Whether it ever happens or not, who knows.
 
airspace said:
I believe all 4 (Oregon-UW-Cal-Stanford) will be in the Big 10 before it is all over.
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I think at least 2, so you have at least 4 from the west to create another tv package (Sat late night) to sell. If it's more than that then you're for sure covered. I've mentioned the B10 can subsidize part of its growth through Friday night and Saturday late night packages that can be marketed. Intraconference semifinals (2 extra big games in addition to the B10 champ game) would another thing. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

If they did grow to 6 out from the west, I wonder if even another window might open up. I'm not as sure about this though. I suppose if you had that many schools from the west you might be able to split Friday night into 2 windows with Friday night and Friday late night possibly.
 
rutgersguy1 said:
I think at least 2, so you have at least 4 from the west to create another tv package (Sat late night) to sell. If it's more than that then you're for sure covered. I've mentioned the B10 can subsidize part of its growth through Friday night and Saturday late night packages that can be marketed. Intraconference semifinals (2 extra big games in addition to the B10 champ game) would another thing. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

If they did grow to 6 out from the west, I wonder if even another window might open up. I'm not as sure about this though. I suppose if you had that many schools from the west you might be able to split Friday night into 2 windows with Friday night and Friday late night possibly.
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I agree with what you are saying.

With that much inventory, you are right in saying that you could have a double header on Friday withlate night Saturday. That is 3 more windows and you still have Thursday if you have the inventory or the desire to go there. That would be 4 windows, how much would that be worth?
 
airspace said:
I agree with what you are saying.

With that much inventory, you are right in saying that you could have a double header on Friday withlate night Saturday. That is 3 more windows and you still have Thursday if you have the inventory or the desire to go there. That would be 4 windows, how much would that be worth?
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I don’t think they would go into Thursday night since the NFL is there.

I’m not even sure about two windows on Friday night. It depends on the desirability from the networks. I think one on Friday night (Fox, ESPN) and a late night Saturday (ESPN) are likely desirable though. Splitting Friday into two is a little more questionable but you never know and those are the conversations they have to have to find out.
 
jaydogsmooth1 said:
Nebraska president commenting on potential future changes

omaha.com

Shatel: NU President Ted Carter: 'Big changes', more realignment coming to college football

The Big Ten luring a handful of Atlantic Coast Conference schools as a way to break up the ACC and get Notre Dame? The Big Ten and SEC joining forces
omaha.com omaha.com
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I’ve posted that above yesterday and there are actually tweets from the reporter who wrote it thinking ACC in one or two years to go along with what you think. He’s also replying to one of those crazy Twitter accounts that posts all kinds of scenarios and acts like they have inside info lol. I don’t even know why he would responds to such an account. I still don’t believe that part of it until I see the GOR challenged and broken.

 
rutgersguy1 said:
I’ve posted that above yesterday and it actually has tweets from the reporter who wrote it thinking ACC in one or two years to go along with what you think. I still don’t believe that part of it until I see the GOR broken and challenged.
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Ahh my bad didn't see you had posted it. Surprised a president could come out in public and say something like that
 
jaydogsmooth1 said:
Ahh my bad didn't see you had posted it. Surprised a president could come out in public and say something like that
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I edited my post above to add the tweet from that reporter. I still don’t believe the ACC part in two years but you’ll be happy to see it lol.
 
The question pertaining to the GOR, is how many members are required to dissolve the conference?

That is what it is going to take for any school of interest to leave.

All seven of the "Magnific 7" must believe they have a landing spot in either the SEC or Big 10.

It is left to the others to identify if they have a spot somewhere or not. If they do, they better get when the going is good. Or they could be left holding the bag.

One thing is certain, the days of the ACC are numbered.
 
JayDogSmooth said:
GOR is a massive obstacle no two ways about it
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If it wasn't OK & Tex wouldn't have shelled out around $50 mil apiece to leave the Big 12 one year before that conferences GOR expired..
Didn't Maryland have to pay though the nose to leave the ACC a year maybe 2, before their last GOR agreement expired

Seems like GORs might be unbreakable because it seems everyone has to pay to leave .
 
MADHAT1 said:
If it wasn't OK & Tex wouldn't have shelled out around $50 mil apiece to leave the Big 12 one year before that conferences GOR expired..
Didn't Maryland have to pay though the nose to leave the ACC a year maybe 2, before their last GOR agreement expired

Seems like GORs might be unbreakable because it seems everyone has to pay to leave .
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Maryland paid a ~50 mil exit fee, fortunately for them no GOR

If all else fails FSU will go at it alone in court to break the GOR (last resort)

Staying in the ACC w the current $ discrepancy will kill their athletic dept
 
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If it wasn't OK & Tex wouldn't have shelled out around $50 mil apiece to leave the Big 12 one year before that conferences GOR expired..
Didn't Maryland have to pay though the nose to leave the ACC a year maybe 2, before their last GOR agreement expired

Seems like GORs might be unbreakable because it seems everyone has to pay to leave .
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There was no GOR in the ACC when Maryland left. The ACC upped their exit fee though and Maryland fought that but still had to pay an amount in the 10s of millions..maybe around 50?
 
JayDogSmooth said:
Maryland paid a ~50 mil exit fee, fortunately for them no GOR

If all else fails FSU will go at it alone in court to break the GOR (last resort)

Staying in the ACC w the current $ discrepancy will kill their athletic dept
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thanks for the clarification .
FSU might be willing to pay a steep price to leave or find ACC partners like Clemson to take the ACC to court trying to prove GORs are not legal because they are a form of restraint of trade
 
MADHAT1 said:
thanks for the clarification .
FSU might be willing to pay a steep price to leave or find ACC partners like Clemson to take the ACC to court trying to prove GORs are not legal because they are a form of restraint of trade
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It seems to me FSU has two possible ways out of the GOR. The first is to claim it's invalid. I haven't heard a good legal argument why this would be true. I think it would be hard, for instance, to argue that the agreement is illegal under the anti-trust laws.

The second is to hope that a court would enforce a breach of the GOR by making FSU pay damages instead of staying in the agreement. The general rule in contract law is that we compensate the injured party with damages rather than make the breaching party perform its obligations. But this rule is not followed when damages are thought not to be a sufficient remedy. If, for instance, you agree to sell your house and then breach the agreement, the court will force you to convey the house (this is called "specific performance") on the theory that every piece of land is unique, and that giving the purchaser its money back to buy another house is not sufficient. It seems to me this exception to the general rule might well apply here because there is no replacement equivalent to Florida State. But who knows what a court would do?

There's another complication. It's been reported that the agreement does not specify which state's law would apply in litigation over the agreement. Each side, of course, will want to argue for application of the law that is most favorable to them.

Maybe FSU can buy its way out of the agreement. But it would pay a heavy price.
 
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airspace said:
The question pertaining to the GOR, is how many members are required to dissolve the conference?

That is what it is going to take for any school of interest to leave.

All seven of the "Magnific 7" must believe they have a landing spot in either the SEC or Big 10.

It is left to the others to identify if they have a spot somewhere or not. If they do, they better get when the going is good. Or they could be left holding the bag.

One thing is certain, the days of the ACC are numbered.
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jaydogsmooth1 said:
I'm not privy one way or the other if they have a valid legal argument; what I've heard second hand is it's debatable at best, and obviously super risky if they went at it alone

What I've also been told is there's literally zero chance they'll stay in the currently constructed ACC being 30-40mil/year behind their peers, regardless of the risks

With that being said, I'll let the lawyers figure that part out - it's above my pay grade, and something I'm clearly not proficient in

In the meantime, I'll focus on what I can do; contribute to Boosters and their NIL Collective, buy season tickets, go to games, purchase merchandise, etc. while things above me and beyond my control happen in the background
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All that extra money can pay a lot of lawyers to tie it up.
 
Tier 1 rights are owned by the BTN too?

From the article;

Nearly three months before the season kicks off and those TV deals begin, the Big Ten does not have completed longform contracts, which include the fine print details. Instead, Petitti is engaged in significant "horse trading," according to multiple sources, to get the NBC primetime deal finished and figure out what the network calls "outstanding issues" in order to uphold as much value as possible.

"These deals aren't done, and they aren't what they were represented to be from the standpoint of the NBC deal and the availability of all members to participate in November games in primetime," said an industry source.

Interviews with nearly a dozen sources in and around the Big Ten and the college sports industry paint a picture of Petitti sprinting to navigate details left unresolved from his predecessor.

As a result, there's a trail of unhappy athletic directors seeing money disappearing from their bottom line, frustrated television executives and big-name coaches irked about the lack of transparency in details that weren't communicated to them.



 
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