as I've said, money issues, uncertainty with Disney and needing powder for SEC is where they are.
I'm shocked that Amazon hasn't jumped in to sports scene in a big way yet
Pac12 dissolution discussion
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I'm shocked that Amazon hasn't jumped in to sports scene in a big way yet
Part of that shortfall was an overpayment of 50M by Comcast IIRC. The PAC12 did an audit thinking they were underpaid but they were actually overpaid.
only due to the GOR or ACC would be a defunct org.
Pac12 has terrible leadership, such that I often wonder if Mike T is their consultant
Agree with this. Reach is very important, especially for future viewership health. There's a balance between money and reach. Don't chase every last dollar just so you won't be seen or found.
Michigan blog but with comments from Thamel and McMurphy.
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National reporter says these two Pac-12 teams want to go to the Big Ten
Could the Big Ten expand again?
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Surprised Colorado isn’t mentioned for the BIG especially over Washington. I get the travel partner for Oregon.
cause Colorado sucks in all facets of the equation
I've told you guys, they are not even in the book
I've always thought at least 2 more from the west. That opens up another possible tv package for Friday night (more likely AMZN or ESPN but possibly Fox) or Saturday night after dark (most likely ESPN but maybe Fox). Eventually, if the B10 has enough teams you can have offerings in both windows.
That can help subsidize the additions. Possible intraconfernce semifinals can add more money as well.
we have options
Cal/UW is ideal except athletically, Cal is worse in football than RU is
Oregon isn't strong enough academically but adds eyeballs
Cal/UW/Oregon/ND/FSU/UNC
done
NW threw a bitch fit when Rutgers and Maryland came into the B1G as well. I'm partially hoping Stanford eventually gets in so NW completely loses their mind knowing their reign as the Token Smart Private B1G school would be dead on arrival.
I didn’t know that
Wonder why?
RU and UMD are both highly accredited
Both brought more $ into the frey
Neither school lights the world on fire athletics wise but neither does NW, and both schools have fan bases that dwarf NW’s
NW was one of the schools that initally voted against RU/MD coming into the conference and had to more or less be strong armed into voting for expansion with RU/MD.
It probably has a lot to do with their proximity to Chicago making them feel important, and any conference shift that brought in NYC (and now LA) taking away from that.
I look for all 4 ( Cal, Stanford ,Oregon and Washington to be invited,
to drive down west coast B1G travel cost and own the west coast
If this thread keeps going long enough, someone is eventually going to be right. And then we will hear all the crowing, "I told you so (3 years ago)". LOL
Strangely quite as to Stanford and Cal. Almost zero chatter about them and possibility of the Big Ten.Michigan blog but with comments from Thamel and McMurphy.
National reporter says these two Pac-12 teams want to go to the Big Ten
Could the Big Ten expand again?
Not sure if that means they are not being considered at all or something else.
Would be great, but there has been close to zero chatter about Stanford and Cal even out in the SF Bay Area.
And therein lies the problem with adding Stanford and Cal. You’ll get academic prestige and probably get some big donors but the revenue sports are mediocre at best and no one wants to watch them.
SEC doesn’t give a sh!t about “expanding its footprint” . Rivalries rule the roost. Add FSU and u got FSU/FL, FSU/Georgia, FSU/LSU, etc. TVs in Va, NC & elsewhere will be tuned into that. They don’t need or want ****ing UVA ( or even NC for that matter) ok ? Think some guy sitting in Indianapolis cares about UVA vs TAM? But I suspect he tunes into the Iron Bowl or Ga/bama or LSU/TN
I’ve always leaned towards Washington and Oregon as the first two options but who knows.
The relevant portion of all of that may be the access to donors and then next would be locking up west coast market to prevent SEC or Big 12 from poaching in. As for watching actual, TBH, don't really care about games like Iowa v. Northwestern or Minnesota v. Illinois and most folks out west will not either. They will watch Stanford v. USC or UCLA v. Cal given the choices of those matchups. Each part of the country has their own tastes I guess. Do agree that Oregon and Washington would be of interest, particularly, Washington for Seattle market.
I think all parties, those the B1G and those schools are trying to keep a low profile as not to be blamed for the PAC being totally destroyed.
Washington and Oregon are working through 3rd parties with the B1G trying to find a way to make their joining work.
Once the PAC's TV rights deal gets settled then movement might begin with some programs ( Colorado,Utah, UofA & ASU trying to join the B-12. makeing the B1G adding Cal, Stanford, Oregon and Washington look more llike saving west coast football then being the one to destroy the PAC
That's he way I see it
What is the importance of access to donors? Beside, Stanford brings some, but not many, and Cal brings fewer. I can't see the SEC attracting West Coast teams-- the cultural differences are great and most SEC teams are three time zones away. Does it really matter to the Big Ten if the Big 12 takes some West Coast teams?
I think itwill matter for travel cost for UCLA & USC along with having a stronger BTN west coast football viewing.
West coast viewers probably would be more interested in seeing Cal,Stanford,Washington and Oregon than most of the western located B1G programs
I certainly think the Big Ten is going to need some other West Coast teams to keep UCLA/USC happy. But, like everyone else, I don't know whether it will be two more or four more, or, if only two more, who they will be. My hunch is that if it's only two, it's Washington and Oregon because we're moving into a world in which cable carriage fees are going to be less important, and so the access fees from being in the Bay Area aren't as big a deal as they once were. We at Rutgers ought to be grateful that we were taken when carriage fees were important.
Yes, I do, regarding Oregon and Washington. I also agree that NW/Minnesota poses the same National interest problem, but those two schools are already in the league. The B1G needs to add sufficient value and even that value is relative to other schools that they might be able to take instead.
Donors from the perspective of alums that get visited by University Development personnel on some regular basis because Rutgers is in town to play. Some geographical areas have potential alum donors with greater means than others as well as greater quantity. As for areas with donors having means to help as well as quantity of alumsn, the Bay Area is one of those areas along with LA and Seattle.
you don't get the academic side of this where there was and still is much consternation over NU academics. Oregon is on par with Nebraska which is a issue
Oregon is an AAU institution. Nebraska was at the time but no longer is. Oregon is not as selective as many Big Ten institutions, but it's respectable. If the Big Ten wants an even number of West Coast schools, then Oregon will make it as one of four more and, because of its record of athletic success, could be one of two more.
Oregon is not even remotely close to B1G schools and sits with NU in usnews and arwu and this is actually shocking for NU when you consider the weighting of Ag research was diminished leading to AAU issues. NU is actually a leader in AG research globally. Oregon is like a glorified community college and not regarded by B1G
don't assume Oregon is a shoe-in....
think Cal/UW for West and FSU, UNC,
ND will need one more pairing and I think that gets Stanford across the line
Like I say, it is an AAU institution. US News ranking is irrelevant because that focuses on undergrad education, and what the Big Ten cares about is research. I can assure you that Oregon is more than "a glorified community college" -- for instance, Rutgers would kill to have a law school as well-respected as U. Oregon's.
ok sport you got all the answers
Oregon is just, a glorified community college where every single ranking has them in triple digits. Please don't embarrass yourself and this board by comparing that shitty school to Rutgers; makes you look cheap and ignorant
Oregon is so sound they needed a commitment and trust documentation for continued financial support when Nike's founder dies as a carrot for future consideration in any B1G presentation of purpose. that should tell you what you need to know in addition to them being shitty academically
