the only thing FSU did that was wrong was to sign away rights for almost 2 decades. Can't fathom how that was pushed through by so many schools
Pac12 dissolution discussion
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They had the wrong people in charge at the wrong time, and nobody to police them
Jimbo called them out right after the 2013 national championship for lack of facilities, which was a prelude of things to come by signing the extension for the grant of rights shortly there after
they can't do anything now but can wait until that inflection point where the cost to leave is equal to staying. that said, the next conference affiliation is an issue as well. Unless you can negotiate away the GOR content rights, no conference is taking them
have to void the GOR
stop
every school could say this but it's poppycock. think about what you just said
Nothing untrue about this
Thrasher - Andy - Waldo - Jimbo relationship was botched worse than anything I’ve ever seen
Although he was a dick, Jimbo was right, and then he saw Clemson was building, he knew they were right on our heels
Additionally, as good as Thrasher was for the academic side, he was not good for the athletic side.
Couple that in with other leaders at FSU who were not competent, and they signed the extension along with the other ACC schools
you're missing the point
every school agreed to signing away content rights for almost 2 decades at rates below the previous mkt growth. singular issues at one school doesn't supercede this fact or how it happened is the point.
what the ACC schools need to do is agree to dissolve the GOR collectively and join new conferences now to increase monies today vs falling behind. The only schools left out are going to be BC, Wake and Duke so ACC should have the required number to kill it
The issue is they signed it under the auspice of getting the ACC network, with bogus projections tabulated by the same scumbags at Tobacco Road who’ve been screwing them for years and not pushing back against non like minded schools who’ve been sucking off their tit for decades
I've seen those projections and it still doesn't warrant a 2 decade lock in. My point is how does so many schools walk into this? It's not FSU, it's not Duke, it's all of them
personally, I find it funny, sad, pathetic, and deserving. I hope they lose so much money and fall so far behind, they join the B12 when it's done lol
Because they’re all idiots
And the only two true football centric schools that weirded any power (Noles / clemmy) didn’t put their foot down
We’re fine right now
Between McCullough, Norvell, Alford, Battles End & Boosters they can tread water financially and make a legitimate run at the playoffs the next few years
After that it gets super dicey
Hence the need to get out asap
You left out Sewercuse. They are Big East bball and Indy or Mac or AAC in football.
The answer is hubris. The ACC saw themselves as equal if not a better conference than the B1G and SEC. They thought they would demand similar multiples in the next contract negotiations. When reality occurred and they realized they were severely behind both the B1G, SEC and closer to the flailing b12 and PAC the top of the ticket panicked.
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It took Jim Phillips coming in for someone of authority to publicaly say that schools should be more invested in football, as FB pays the bills and drives the bus
Think about that - with all the $ football brings in, you had to have a guy publically tell these schools to start investing in FB
And make no mistake, FSU is also to blame. They're literally like 1 of 2 schools in that conference with no stand alone FB facility - that's insane
Asleep at the wheel is a gross understatement - which is why Jimbo got pissed and started having major issues w/the administration; which, along with other issues, eventually led to him leaving
That's because the people in charge are idiots, and the schools that actually wielded power were either in cahoots (UNC), or asleep at the wheel (FSU / Clemson)
It took Jim Phillips coming in for someone of authority to publicaly say that schools should be more invested in football, as FB pays the bills and drives the bus
Think about that - with all the $ football brings in, you had to have a guy publically tell these schools to start investing in FB
And make no mistake, FSU is also to blame. They're literally like 1 of 2 schools in that conference with no stand alone FB facility - that's insane
Asleep at the wheel is a gross understatement - which is why Jimbo got pissed and started having major issues w/the administration; which, along with other issues, eventually led to him leaving
Agreed. Duke is the wild card. I don’t see anyone picking up the other 3. BC is a geographical outlier. The B12 won’t want them. B12 won’t add both Duke and Wake because it makes no sense. If they take either it would be Duke.
I could see Duke going to Big 12 for their major sports and B1G adding them as an affiliate for their Olympic sports if the B1G doesn't add them as a package deal with UNC.
Call it what you want, idiocy, hubris, whatever. It is a repeat of the Big East. A basketball centric conference run by a parochial group at the home office and AD’s that got fat eating from the trough of ESPN and didn’t think things would ever change. Until they did. Then they got nervous and sealed their fate signing a GOR.
The true idiots are not Duke and Wake and the castoffs. They are geniuses. The idiots are Clemson, FSU, UNC and to a lesser extent Miami and UVA.
I am going to enjoy watching the slow, gasping, fear invoking and gnashing of the death throws as the ACC dies
I'm going to delight in watching FSU and the like fall behind
Basketball is the only sport where Duke brings value. The question is, will the B12 want that enough to justify the regional overlap with NC State which is a much bigger school and makes better sense for football. I don’t see the BIG adding Duke.
Oh I agree, it's completely bball centric
Add in Swoffford's corruption and the Tobacco Road mafia was out of control
Also agree about the big schools being idiots. Why on earth they'd agree to sign a 20 year extension to the GOR is beyond me
Lots of rumors swirling that Colorado is about ready to jump from the PAC 12 to Big 12, which would certainly solidify even more the Big 12 overtaking the PAC 12 in the conference pecking order. It could also cause other dominoes to fall…e.g, Arizona, ASU, Utah. Should be interesting. Walton’s “conference of champions” may soon be slugging it out with Mountain West for relevance.
SEC looking for more money to go to a 9th game and ESPN not too eager. 9th game has been up in the air for a bit. Agree with the tweets of Frank the Tank.
If you look at it back in the context of the time, the fear was the conference would break up and other schools would be poached. The ACC saw what was happening with the B12 and panicked. Had cooler heads prevailed, this scenario could have been avoided. However, the conference thought long term stability and an air tight GOR was the key to survival as opposed to maximizing revenue through shorter media deals. They lost the gamble.
As I've said all along, the Noles will be fine as long as they're out in the next few years
Last year was huge from a program standpoint, getting to 10 wins
Recuriting is up
They're hitting on the majority of their portal guys
Season tickets have already surpassed last year's amount and we're not even in June yet
Booster contributions are way up
We finally have a president who understands the value of athletics
Norvell isn't going anywhere - he's young, energetic, authentic, passionate, etc.
Coordinators aren't lights out - especially Fuller
If we get exposed, I suspect it will be the Defense that gets torched
Alford has been a slam dunk as AD
Shovels are in the ground for the stand alone FB facility
Of equal importance is NIL is thriving
Battles End was formed by a bunch of guys in their mid 30's, super successful business people whose families are all generational Noles
We have a legit shot at the Natty this year
If Travis holds up injury wise, he's got a decent shot at the Heisman
Until the dust settles, keep winning, and winning, and winning
They're going for it this year - really loading up w/NIL
LSU & Clemson games will be huge
Split them and run the table, and 11-1 should do the trick
Lose both and run the table and 10-2 could be tough
In regard to falling behind, Alford has projections out for the next 20 years
All indications are an exit in the next few years, which would still be problematic $ wise, but not catastrophic
Have to get out sooner rather than later though
Stay in long enough, and it's mid-major time
Mike knows that
Alford knows that
McCullough knows that
Ingram knows that
Wheels in motion on that front, now go out and dominate like they have the potential to do on the field
I get what the conference was thinking, but for the life of me, do not understand the lack of thought FSU and Clemmy gave this - truly baffling
I agree. But the ACC like the Big East was a good ole boys club type conference, that caters to the smaller private (Duke, BC, Cuse, Wake) or private like (UVA, UNC) member schools.
Interesting post. In your view what makes UVA and UNC any more private like than, say, Rutgers?
UNC and UVA portray themselves as Public Ivy's. Have you ever step foot on their campus'? The only schools less diverse than UVA and UNC are PSU and Wisconsin.
I have set foot on both campuses in fact -- indeed, I taught at one of those schools for a semester. I would not characterize either as private like especially not UNC. Its in-state undergraduate tuition is much less than Rutgers, and its percentage of black and Hispanic students is not much different from Rutgers.. But you are of course entitled to your opinion. I was just curious why you said what you did. https://datausa.io/profile/university/university-of-north-carolina-at-chapel-hill
I'd agree that Frank the Tank, is the voice of reason on conference re-alignment.
My opinion is not based off of cost of tuition. More on their elitist impression they have of themselves. Worked with many UVA and Chapel Hill alums over the years and many classified their college as a either a Public IVY or a private state school.
I guess they hide the diversity at UNC. On my tour in the 90’s someone even asked the question. And on my 5 or so visits since didn’t notice any material change. But as you say your entitled to your opinion.
He didn't think we'd get into the B10 IIRC but that's not the point. He's a lawyer too IIRC and he made some good points in his blog about the GOR and getting out of it which I've posted here. He can make logical points and is reasonable whether he's right or wrong, unlike some fans/bloggers. In the end, he's just a regular joe like anyone else.
The Athletic had an article about ESPN not being enthused about paying more for a 9th game despite Texas/OU being in conference. His point that if ESPN isn't willing to pay more for Texas/OU why would they pay to get any ACC additions out of the conference is true. I've said similar.
I've seen posts like ESPN will do what's good for their interests (duh) and it's good for them etc.. What's good for them is saving on costs and having cost certainty in general, especially as of late.
you're not getting out anytime soon unless you can get the ones that would go b12 or the like to jump on board with breaking up the ACC now! Wishful thinking doesn't apply here
As I said earlier, you've got almost a decade before the inflection point matters
ESPN holds the cards and they know it. The ACC can't do anything and with the SEC, there are only so many dollars to go around and with B1G eating up major networks, that leaves the ESPN.
On top of that, as said, ESPN /Disney is in cost cutting mode and their are issues with ESPN revenue growth so who knows what will happen
Again, we'll agree to disagree
A decade would a minimum of 300/400 million behind our peers
Nobody's coming back from that
As I've said, it's one of 3 things happening sooner rather than later
1. Mass exodus to SEC/B10/B12
2. Court w/allies (UNC, Clemmy, UM, etc.) to fight GOR
3. Court alone to fight GOR
Trust me when I say this - it won't get to 300-400 million
Alford referenced 120mil/exit fee to BOG (excluding GOR)
They can write that check tomorrow
Moreover, 120 mil = 3 years of B1G $ discrepancy vs ACC, or 4 years vs. SEC
The writing is on the wall
The exit fee may be $120 but the break up fee for remainder of GOR and ongoing legal battles, depreciating value of all of the assets will be much greater. I can see the cheaper alternative(what Texas and Oklahoma rumored to discover)may be to ride out the GOR.
ok well you do the math and then come back to me
at what point does it make financial sense? At what point does a destination conference allow the remaining content to be owned and controlled by a foreign entity?
FSU has been vocal, they've tried to twist arms and guess what, they got thrown a chicken bone that amounts to a hookers' tip and they will still be in the ACC for a decade to come because leaving costs 150mm to 400mm depending on MANY factors.
this is not about what FSU wants as we've seen, it's about what can they do and we already know. chicken bones
you can disagree with my view but you better have some facts because, and I hate to come off like this, you were saying 8 teams and I correctly told you early 3/4 minimum so your sources are more than suspect or just retarded. it's not about what you want but what you CAN do
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