Pac12 dissolution discussion

[MCY]

ASU will never be in the B1G' direct from B1G sources

Never is a long time. A large school in a large TV market, lots of B1G alum in the Valley and a school rapidly moving up the rankings that is plowing tons of money into infrastructure, profs, etc.

If the rumors are true that Oregon and UW are on the radar, albeit with reduced payouts, the B1G might just surprise everyone and go ahead and add those 2 plus ASU and CU at reduced payouts. The B1G needs WestCoast content so they will be adding 4 more schools (just my guess) to the WestCoast lineup. I just don't see the need to add any more East or MidWest schools. Again, just my opinion no "sources".

 

[rutgersguy1]

Related to the 8-9 debate of the SEC. Looks like they’re leaning on 8 for now and will likely go to 9 in the future but who knows when.

 

[Arizona Knight]

I don’t think ASU. Miami isn’t going anywhere anytime soon anyhow because of the GOR and ND likely not til the ACC has issues.

Anything happening in the east is a long way off imo.

I think ASU checks a fair amount of boxes.

✅. AAU
✅. Massive media market. If you are going for a national conference then grab the 5th (or so) largest metro area in the country. Also one growing fast
✅. Travel partners for USC/UCLA
✅. Selfishly, a great road trip for the rest of us and a short drive for the countless Midwestern transplants in Phoenix.

I’m not suggesting ASU jumps to the top but they are an interesting option.

 

[MADHAT1]

I think ASU checks a fair amount of boxes.

✅. AAU
✅. Massive media market. If you are going for a national conference then grab the 5th (or so) largest metro area in the country. Also one growing fast
✅. Travel partners for USC/UCLA
✅. Selfishly, a great road trip for the rest of us and a short drive for the countless Midwestern transplants in Phoenix.

I’m not suggesting ASU jumps to the top but they are an interesting option.

I think the Sun Devils might be an option if the B1G isn't that enthused in how Oregon and Washington would strengthen the B1G in the long term.
Short term looks good, but it's looking at the future that makes programs more valuable,because sometimes what looks good now might not be later.

 

[bigmatt718]

I think ASU checks a fair amount of boxes.

✅. AAU
✅. Massive media market. If you are going for a national conference then grab the 5th (or so) largest metro area in the country. Also one growing fast
✅. Travel partners for USC/UCLA
✅. Selfishly, a great road trip for the rest of us and a short drive for the countless Midwestern transplants in Phoenix.

I’m not suggesting ASU jumps to the top but they are an interesting option.

ASU also has wrestling and plays ice hockey and would add a top tier baseball program as far as Olympic sports go. They're definitely a wild card for expansion now with AAU status.

 

[retired711]

The takeaway, in English: Most departments at Rutgers meet regularly with their Big Ten counterparts to the discuss latest developments in their respective field, and students in New Jersey can enroll in certain online classes at the other universities for no extra cost.

The real benefit is the collaboration. On a monthly basis you can be conversing and sharing with peers across 14+ world class universities. How much is that worth. It may open up research opportunities that otherwise would not be available leading to increased research funding.

You also become more familiar with what each university has to offer. You may fill a niche for them or vice versa.

I agree that there's a financial benefit, but it's not that huge. The marginal value of the monthly conversation and the familiarity with other schools is, IMHO, not nearly enough to be decisive in whether to expand. It helps, but it's not as crucial as you seemed to indicate in your post above.

 

[Mufasa94]

Related to the 8-9 debate of the SEC. Looks like they’re leaning on 8 for now and will likely go to 9 in the future but who knows when.

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Saw that. Think reason is a combo of holding out hope for some extra $$$ from ESPN and possibility of putting an extra 2/3-loss type team in the first expanded playoff.

Also read some comments attributed to a couple coaches. The UK coach used playing Louisville OOC every year as a reason to stay at 8. Think UK would be a prime example of a team trying to snag a CFP bid.

While it may not be favorably received, understand Bama’s preference to not want LSU, Tenn, and Aub as every year opponents when someone else could potentially end up with 2-3 of the lessor teams.

 

[rutgersguy1]

 

[Doctor Worm]

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That sounds like a polite no. Sorry UConn.

 

[SteveVA2]

The takeaway, in English: Most departments at Rutgers meet regularly with their Big Ten counterparts to the discuss latest developments in their respective field, and students in New Jersey can enroll in certain online classes at the other universities for no extra cost.

The real benefit is the collaboration. On a monthly basis you can be conversing and sharing with peers across 14+ world class universities. How much is that worth. It may open up research opportunities that otherwise would not be available leading to increased research funding.

You also become more familiar with what each university has to offer. You may fill a niche for them or vice versa.

Collaboration not shared money. I worked for the University of Wisconsin-Madison for ten years after retiring from the Feds. We met with colleagues in the same administrative area at least yearly occasionally at the B1G hq in Rosemont. Most of the collaborations were on the admin side, IT, libraries, equal opportunity for example. Money was not shared unless the schools were partners in a grant they had made together.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Never is a long time. A large school in a large TV market, lots of B1G alum in the Valley and a school rapidly moving up the rankings that is plowing tons of money into infrastructure, profs, etc.

If the rumors are true that Oregon and UW are on the radar, albeit with reduced payouts, the B1G might just surprise everyone and go ahead and add those 2 plus ASU and CU at reduced payouts. The B1G needs WestCoast content so they will be adding 4 more schools (just my guess) to the WestCoast lineup. I just don't see the need to add any more East or MidWest schools. Again, just my opinion no "sources".

I only relay what I hear from the source. ASU will never be in the B1G. Those rumors of Oregon and UW are from writers, and intimations made. The B1G has never had any discussion with Oregon the like they had with NU, RU, MD, USC and UCLA. The B1G could grab Cal and UW and fill both needs plus gain better mkts than both Oregon and UW. Oregon adds eyeballs, no question about that and it would increase with addition to B1G but it's Nebraska like in academics and that matters too as there are those in the B1G that think Nebraska tainted the academic picture of the B1G. Academics matter here and NO ONE is pushing the needle enough to increase the pay out so a combo is needed now and adding Oregon and UW doesn't help that so you need split markets but ideally markets with eyeballs on national brand

In order is; ND, FSU, UNC, UW, ...........Cal/Stanford

the question you need to ask is simple; which combo adds enough to make everyone whole? If you think it's UW and Oregon for the sake of travel partners that aren't really close and only marginally closer than current B1G then I've got a bridge to sell you. Flying to Western B1G/Chicago opponents is only an extra hour vs Oregon and on par with UW.

This is about not losing ground in financial models and adding academic schools to create a unique brand that is a national power conference and and academic juggernaught.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I agree that there's a financial benefit, but it's not that huge. The marginal value of the monthly conversation and the familiarity with other schools is, IMHO, not nearly enough to be decisive in whether to expand. It helps, but it's not as crucial as you seemed to indicate in your post above.

just imagine the collective research and how that impacts the schools etc. it's huge when you liken it to nest computing

 

[bigmatt718]

That sounds like a polite no. Sorry UConn.

I'm all for UConn stuck in a mid major conference with only Catholic schools obsessed with basketball for the rest of their days and inevitably forcing their football program to demote itself to FCS level. It's partially their fault the Big East ended up a mid major in football when they only brought 50 fans and a goat to Phoenix to get slaughtered by Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

 

[Knight Shift]

If ESPN trually thought that the ACC will vote to dissolve the conference ending ESPN's 12 or more year contract and all their Sports Content, they would jump at renegotiating the Contract.

Pretext for opening a new contract.

ESPN/ABC will do what is in their best financial interest.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

This was not you was it?

 

[oldtimer67]

I found this in an article about Netflix restricting password use. Because there is so much talk on here about streaming taking over, I think it is relevant. The subject is subscriber based streaming services like Netflix.

"The era of subscriber growth is all but over," he said. "Like that rapid growth, everyone's number of subscribers is leveling off. Whether you're Peacock, whether you're Hulu, whatever you are, you're not getting the same amount of subscribers, so you're looking for more revenue from your existing subscribers."

To me "more revenue from existing subscribers" means higher prices. As far as I can tell the only things streaming has to sell are price and customer service. As they seem to have adopted the same customer service model as cable, that leaves only price.

 

[Rutgers85]

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

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Imagine how bitchy original b12 fan bases will be towards the people’s republic of boulder looney fans 🤭🤭🤭

 

[retired711]

I found this in an article about Netflix restricting password use. Because there is so much talk on here about streaming taking over, I think it is relevant. The subject is subscriber based streaming services like Netflix.

"The era of subscriber growth is all but over," he said. "Like that rapid growth, everyone's number of subscribers is leveling off. Whether you're Peacock, whether you're Hulu, whatever you are, you're not getting the same amount of subscribers, so you're looking for more revenue from your existing subscribers."

To me "more revenue from existing subscribers" means higher prices. As far as I can tell the only things streaming has to sell are price and customer service. As they seem to have adopted the same customer service model as cable, that leaves only price.

Here's the article for those who want to read it. https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/n...aming-services-not-far-behind-exper-warns.amp

This looks like a useful story on trends in subscriber growth. There's a huge amount of churning -- people subscribing to see a program and then unsubcribing. https://variety.com/2023/digital/ne...ices-svod-deloitte-digital-trends-1235582760/

 

[czxqa]

Big Ten vetting programs for expansion according to this guy

 

[bigmatt718]

Big Ten vetting programs for expansion according to this guy

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I still see ASU as a wild card now with AAU status.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Big Ten vetting programs for expansion according to this guy

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He lost me with "It should be noted that when the B10 added Nebraska they were going to invite Maryland as well but held off."

Um, no.

 

[czxqa]

He lost me with "It should be noted that when the B10 added Nebraska they were going to invite Maryland as well but held off."

Um, no.

Maybe he confused Md with RU?

 

[retired711]

Big Ten vetting programs for expansion according to this guy

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Clickbait. Considering eleven schools tells the reader nothing about whether any of them are being considered seriously.

 

[retired711]

Here's the article for those who want to read it. https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/n...aming-services-not-far-behind-exper-warns.amp

This looks like a useful story on trends in subscriber growth. There's a huge amount of churning -- people subscribing to see a program and then unsubcribing. https://variety.com/2023/digital/ne...ices-svod-deloitte-digital-trends-1235582760/

On the one hand, cable systems are losing subscribers; on the other hand, subscriptions to streaming services have stopped growing. What's the explanation? Apparently viewers (mostly millennials, who are most comfortable with streaming) are cutting back the number of streaming services they subscribe to, partly because of the economy So the number of viewers who are streaming may be increasing; but the total number of subscriptions isn't because viewers are being more choosy about which streaming services to subscribe to.

 

[RUTGERS95]

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nope
B1G doesn't operate like this at all

 

[RUTGERS95]

He lost me with "It should be noted that when the B10 added Nebraska they were going to invite Maryland as well but held off."

Um, no.

yeah that's not how that went down AT ALL

 

[rutgersguy1]

Basically, sounds like what the ACC is trying to do but the numbers GK can get still matter.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Basically, sounds like what the ACC is trying to do but the numbers GK can get still matter.

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[rutgersguy1]

Mentioned this awhile back. B12 commish always trying to think outside the box.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

Mexico is a natural extension to the b12…LOL…ay ay ay! Seriously nothing says Mexico like Kansas, Oklahoma, iowa, West Virginia and, of course Utah! 🤭

 

[RUTGERS95]

Mexico is a natural extension to the b12…LOL…ay ay ay! Seriously nothing says Mexico like Kansas, Oklahoma, iowa, West Virginia and, of course Utah! 🤭

yup!!!!!

on top of the safety concerns. lol what a joke

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

yup!!!!!

on top of the safety concerns. lol what a joke

This is a conference that lost
Nebraska
Colorado
A&M
Missouri
Texas
Oklahoma

Props for trying an “nfl-like” look how cool and international we are…it is still just a glorified Conference USA once OU/tx leave…period

 

[rutgersguy1]

PB is a ND alum.

 

[RUTGERS95]

This is a conference that lost
Nebraska
Colorado
A&M
Missouri
Texas
Oklahoma

Props for trying an “nfl-like” look how cool and international we are…it is still just a glorified Conference USA once OU/tx leave…period

could not agree more! although, from a dollars to marketing standpoint, Mexico presents a intriguing opportunity

 

[bigmatt718]

PB is a ND alum.

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Swarbrick retiring is a major domino falling in terms of ND ending Indy status and going to the B1G. He was adamant about keeping them Indy in football.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Swarbrick retiring is a major domino falling in terms of ND ending Indy status and going to the B1G. He was adamant about keeping them Indy in football.

Who knows and you can see the quote from PB in the tweet. JS has mentioned 2030s (ACC GOR) as a time for change so it depends on whether ND has a suitable home for its other sports or not.

NBC contract comes up soon and I’d think it’ll be helpful having a TV guy from NBC as AD. So I’m not sure money will be as much an issue (ND has plenty anyway) as suitable home for other sports.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

could not agree more! although, from a dollars to marketing standpoint, Mexico presents a intriguing opportunity

I’m sure Mexicans are just oozing at the thought of watching Baylor vs West Virginia womens soccer…🤭 the black market for those tickets may warrant FBI involvement

 

[RUTGERS95]

I’m sure Mexicans are just oozing at the thought of watching Baylor vs West Virginia womens soccer…🤭 the black market for those tickets may warrant FBI involvement

no I get it and I'm with you but outside the box, it's intriguing

 

[RUTGERS95]

Who knows and you can see the quote from PB in the tweet. JS has mentioned 2030s (ACC GOR) as a time for change so it depends on whether ND has a suitable home for its other sports or not.

NBC contract comes up soon and I’d think it’ll be helpful having a TV guy from NBC as AD. So I’m not sure money will be as much an issue (ND has plenty anyway) as suitable home for other sports.

doesn't matter if he's a football guy and his hire may indicate they know that no one is giving ND 75-80mm for football. He may be the hail marry hire here for that. ND will have to join a conference at some point if all the key players are in conferences that require a high number of conf games. I've said before, you want ND to join, block them out

 

[rutgersguy1]