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Penn St dismisses 4 star NJ Freshman LB

Madhat- Rutgers 'didn't try to hide the reason they booted' Nelson because it was clear as day. He was arrested and charged with a felony. And 'booted' is probably not a good word choice there

Do I think Kelly was arrested and charged with a felony? No I dont
 
I know. I don't get these guys bringing up Rashard Casey as an example of PSU misdeeds. I'm really interested in hearing the logic behind this explained...

Was accused of a crime, but the Grand Jury failed to indite him, but indited the person he was with.
Think the reference was because Paterno , even when a player has been arrested for a violent crime, usually refused to punish
that player no matter what is involved.
Casey wasn't found innocent , just not indited and charges were dropped.
The person he was with was found guilty.
 
Madhat- Rutgers 'didn't try to hide the reason they booted' Nelson because it was clear as day. He was arrested and charged with a felony. And 'booted' is probably not a good word choice there

Do I think Kelly was arrested and charged with a felony? No I dont

We probably will never get along on this board, but I have to admit your saying "And 'booted' is probably not a good word choice there" is right.
It wasn't a very smart way to put it , especially since the victim is still trying to overcome the damage that cowardly kick did to him.
My apologies to all for the callous way I described Nelson being dismissed from Rutgers
 
I couldn't care less what Paterno did. He's dead and gone. I just care about the current. Kelly was kicked out. Don't know how Franklin or PSU could be looked at negatively for kicking him out of school. His high school coach said it was not a legal issue. So unless the coach is a liar, then he wasn't arrested for something. Since he'll never be a PSU player, I couldn't care less now what he did. He's obviously an immature idiot, or better schools than UMass would have given him a chance .
 
Was accused of a crime, but the Grand Jury failed to indite him, but indited the person he was with.
Think the reference was because Paterno , even when a player has been arrested for a violent crime, usually refused to punish
that player no matter what is involved.
Casey wasn't found innocent , just not indited and charges were dropped.
The person he was with was found guilty.

Are you aware the City of Hoboken ended up settling a lawsuit with Casey for 'over 6 figures'?
 
Was accused of a crime, but the Grand Jury failed to indite him, but indited the person he was with.
Think the reference was because Paterno , even when a player has been arrested for a violent crime, usually refused to punish
that player no matter what is involved.
Casey wasn't found innocent , just not indited and charges were dropped.
The person he was with was found guilty.

Yes, Grand Jury dropped all charges and Casey later got a $300,000 settlement from Hoboken. But in your mind he is guilty. Yes, that is a great example to use against Paterno.

Trust me, I have my issues with Paterno and don't believe him to be a saint at all, but using this is pretty silly. Stick to the other stuff, lol.
 
Are you aware the City of Hoboken ended up settling a lawsuit with Casey for 'over 6 figures'?

Yes.
Cases like that will end up in lawsuits, especially ones that claim civil rights were violated .
It was reported that he received between $100,000 and $300,000.
I would have expected he would have received more and looks more of buying a person off instead of
paying lawyer fees to fight it.
 
Was accused of a crime, but the Grand Jury failed to indite him, but indited the person he was with.
Think the reference was because Paterno , even when a player has been arrested for a violent crime, usually refused to punish
that player no matter what is involved.
Casey wasn't found innocent , just not indited and charges were dropped.
The person he was with was found guilty.
Three strikes, you're out.
 
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Yes.
Cases like that will end up in lawsuits, especially ones that claim civil rights were violated .
It was reported that he received between $100,000 and $300,000.
I would have expected he would have received more and looks more of buying a person off instead of
paying lawyer fees to fight it.

So you think Casey is guilty, should have been punished by Paterno, and the city just cut him a check for a couple hundred grand for fun? Sounds good
 
Yes, Grand Jury dropped all charges and Casey later got a $300,000 settlement from Hoboken. But in your mind he is guilty. Yes, that is a great example to use against Paterno.

Trust me, I have my issues with Paterno and don't believe him to be a saint at all, but using this is pretty silly. Stick to the other stuff, lol.

Case wasn't settled for 6 months and Paterno refused to discipline him one bit.
It's not like the Grand Jury made their decision not to indite. before football season , the no bill came back 6 months after the incident and charges were dropped two months after that.
Played the whole season , I believe, without even having to run the stadiums steps, one time, as a form of discipline after being accused of a violent crime.
You would think Paterno would have at least disciplined him for putting himself in a situation that caused him to accused of a crime.
 
Pretty sure that Vicky Triponey wrote the book on how Paterno's PSU handled player transgressions.
 
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So you think Casey is guilty, should have been punished by Paterno, and the city just cut him a check for a couple hundred grand for fun? Sounds good

I've said this many times before and I'll say it one more time. One of my best friends was bartending that evening in Hoboken and saw the incident....at least the kicking part of it. My friend is NOT a football fan. He doesn't root for RU. He doesn't hate Pedd St. He doesn't care about football. He only knew who Casey was because other people standing there told him it was Casey. And my friend saw Casey kick that cop after he and others had finished pummeling him until he fell to the ground. Period.
I don't know much about why this incident played out the way it did in Hudson County's excellent justice system. Nor why Casey ended up with cash because of it. But I know my friend. And I know he is not a liar. And I know he would have no motivation for making any of this chit up. And I can also guess as to Pedd St.'s and Joe Pa's motivation in this whole affair. Casey was just lucky he wasn't a third-stringer.
And I'll save you some time by telling you that I don't give a rat's ass as to whether you believe any of this or not. It happened. And if your support for a football program blinds you to reality....well then you must be a Pedd St. fan.
 
I care about who wins the game on September 19th. I couldn't care less about Casey and Paterno. It's history far in the past and I couldn't care less. The game on 9/19, that has my interest.
 
Yes.
Cases like that will end up in lawsuits, especially ones that claim civil rights were violated .
It was reported that he received between $100,000 and $300,000.
I would have expected he would have received more and looks more of buying a person off instead of
paying lawyer fees to fight it.
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Was accused of a crime, but the Grand Jury failed to indite him, but indited the person he was with.
Think the reference was because Paterno , even when a player has been arrested for a violent crime, usually refused to punish
that player no matter what is involved.
Casey wasn't found innocent , just not indited and charges were dropped.
The person he was with was found guilty.
Paterno suspended many players for arrests. Usually he used his gut feeling when deciding who and when to suspend. I do think however he lost it towards the end and really became more tolerant of things. There were many incidents that 10 years before he would never have tolerated. Sometimes he got right like Casey and sometimes he got it wrong like Austin Scott who kicked of the team after being accused of rape. The charges were later dropped and the women was charged with false statements.
 
Pretty sure that Vicky Triponey wrote the book on how Paterno's PSU handled player transgressions.
That women was a nut case. Penn State was not the first place she was run out of. I don't know how Penn State ever hired her out of UConn after the mess she left there. She did have a field day with her 15 minutes of fame during the Sandusky mess. What was never told was the reason she was fired had nothing to do with Paterno or football. Long story short when she took over she eliminated student government, threaten to pull funding from the school newspaper and radio station if she was not given control over content. She basically wanted her office to be able to censor everything like a dictator would. Eventually students revolted and forced the university to fire her. Her biggest baby was student judicial affairs where she eliminated any student representation in it and the appeal process. For those who are unaware of how it works is that student who are charged must testify at a hearing. Guilt is determined by a group of professors assigned by her and preponderance of evidence is used. However the accused are not allowed any legal representation but police may use their testimony as evidence in criminal court. So any attorney would tell a student not to participate which results in an automatic conviction.

Paterno problem was one of fairness. For example If a student got caught underage drinking they would be put on probation by judicial affairs. If a football player got caught underage drinking they would be put on probation and suspended for 3 games by judicial affairs. His argument is that they should be treated like every other student and get the same punishment ie probation and punishment involving football should be left to the coach. So he was not asking for special favors for football player just for them to be treated equally. Triponey simply could not handle this because she wanted to control every thing. She ultimately won because players were suspended by judicial affairs. For example EZ Smith was suspended for an entire season for a second underage drinking citation from Judicial affairs.
 
Can we lock this thread ? It's ok for PSU fans to argue but we can't discuss an Rvision reporter. By now, we all know why he was booted from PSU yet this useless thread lives on.
 
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Pretty sure that Vicky Triponey wrote the book on how Paterno's PSU handled player transgressions.

I didn't know who Vicky Triponey was so I Googled her. First article was from CNN titled "The Woman Who Stood Up To Joe Paterno". Second was from a PSU site titled "The Vicky Triponey Timeline of Terror". I just love to see their spin.
 
I didn't know who Vicky Triponey was so I Googled her. First article was from CNN titled "The Woman Who Stood Up To Joe Paterno". Second was from a PSU site titled "The Vicky Triponey Timeline of Terror". I just love to see their spin.
Did you notice it was from 2007 and it doesn't even mention football? She was the one who tried to cash in on the Sandusky affair.
 
Pretty sure that Vicky Triponey wrote the book on how Paterno's PSU handled player transgressions.

I didn't know who Vicky Triponey was so I Googled her. First article was from CNN titled "The Woman Who Stood Up To Joe Paterno". Second was from a PSU site titled "The Vicky Triponey Timeline of Terror". I just love to see their spin.

Did you notice it was from 2007 and it doesn't even mention football? She was the one who tried to cash in on the Sandusky affair.

I googled her too, and in the CNN article I saw this which I hadn't heard before:

Triponey is not named in the 267-page report; her experience is laid out in a footnote at the bottom of pages 65 and 66. The section deals with the janitors who were afraid they'd lose their jobs if they reported they'd seen Sandusky molesting a boy in the showers in 2000.
So there was actually more evidence that this was going on that they ignored?
 
I googled her too, and in the CNN article I saw this which I hadn't heard before:


So there was actually more evidence that this was going on that they ignored?
There was a claim by a janitor that another janitor reported to him he had seen Sandusky in the shower molesting a child. The janitor was new and they decided they should not tell anyone because they would get fired.

The first problem is that the janitor that supposedly saw the incident has alhztimers and has no recollection of the event. The other problem is the timeline of the events do not line up. The janitor who witness it was not hired until after the janitor claims the event happened. Neither is enough to dismiss their statements but even if true how do you put blame on the university? According to him these guys made the decision on their own. It not like they spoke to an administrator who talked them out of reporting it. There are a 100 other reasons Penn State was liable but to me this doesn't show any malice on Penn State part. The bottom line is how do you ignore evidence that is not given to you. It is like blaming the police for ignoring two witnesses who scared to come forward who do so only after the arrest is made.
 
There was a claim by a janitor that another janitor reported to him he had seen Sandusky in the shower molesting a child. The janitor was new and they decided they should not tell anyone because they would get fired.

The first problem is that the janitor that supposedly saw the incident has alhztimers and has no recollection of the event. The other problem is the timeline of the events do not line up. The janitor who witness it was not hired until after the janitor claims the event happened. Neither is enough to dismiss their statements but even if true how do you put blame on the university? According to him these guys made the decision on their own. It not like they spoke to an administrator who talked them out of reporting it. There are a 100 other reasons Penn State was liable but to me this doesn't show any malice on Penn State part. The bottom line is how do you ignore evidence that is not given to you. It is like blaming the police for ignoring two witnesses who scared to come forward who do so only after the arrest is made.
Agree but it does continue the narrative that everyone was afraid of Joe and that football was believed to be above the law
 
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