Maybe with a different president? A tougher one, or an Athletic dept. that didn’t cave at the slightest bit of negative coverage.
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Not sure, the climate in the media at the time was to expose stories of verbal and physical abuse among athletics coaches at all levels. She came in following Rice and the UT volleyball story broke. She didn't stand a chance.
And the challenge: “there is no video, trust me.” Sure didn’t help her either. LOL
It never seemed like a good hire. Barchi appointed an LGBTQ activist (Kate Sweeney) to run the hiring committee; that activist's first question to Barchi was "Can I pick a woman?"; the activist hired an expert consulting firm to create a shortlist and that shortlist did not have Hermann's name on it (it contained no women); so the activist went to Patti Phillips (head of the National Association of Collegiate Women Athletics Administrators) and specifically asked for a woman's name she could hire; then the activist went to the expert consulting firm and told them to create a new larger list and to put Julie Hermann's name on it; then the activist took the new list and narrowed it down to two; then the two candidates were allowed to be interviewed by the remainder of the hiring committee for an hour a piece, but these (panel) interviews only last 45 minutes because Hermann and Sweeney were too busy touring the campus.
The two names were submitted to Barchi the next day, he picked Hermann, and the rest was history. It is obvious in hindsight (and it was obvious at the time) that the only reason Hermann was selected was because she was a woman and a lesbian and all Barchi cared about was insulating himself from the LGBTQ activist attacks he was receiving because Mike Rice called that one player a "f*gg*t." It is obvious his attitude was "can't attack me, I just hired a lesbian to run the department." It was both pathetic and a violation of federal law (discrimination based on gender and sexual preference). They even lied and said she was #2 in the Louisville Athletics Department and then it turned out Louisville had two assistant athletics directors and the other guy was responsible for overseeing Football and Mens Basketball and Hermann was responsible for everything else.
All of that said, she did do at least one good thing when she called out the local media told them to stick it up their ass.
Patti Phillips, Julie Hermann, and Kate Sweeney at the hiring press conference.
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Obviously, you are privy to a lot of insider baseball info that I'm not. As an outsider, I didn't think it was a bad hire at the time. I would be dishonest if I said otherwise in hindsight. You do seem to a too dismissive of her work at Louisville though.It never seemed like a good hire. Barchi appointed an LGBTQ activist (Kate Sweeney) to run the hiring committee; that activist's first question to Barchi was "Can I pick a woman?"; the activist hired an expert consulting firm to create a shortlist and that shortlist did not have Hermann's name on it (it contained no women); so the activist went to Patti Phillips (head of the National Association of Collegiate Women Athletics Administrators) and specifically asked for a woman's name she could hire; then the activist went to the expert consulting firm and told them to create a new larger list and to put Julie Hermann's name on it; then the activist took the new list and narrowed it down to two; then the two candidates were allowed to be interviewed by the remainder of the hiring committee for an hour a piece, but these (panel) interviews only last 45 minutes because Hermann and Sweeney were too busy touring the campus.
The two names were submitted to Barchi the next day, he picked Hermann, and the rest was history. It is obvious in hindsight (and it was obvious at the time) that the only reason Hermann was selected was because she was a woman and a lesbian and all Barchi cared about was insulating himself from the LGBTQ activist attacks he was receiving because Mike Rice called that one player a "f*gg*t." It is obvious his attitude was "can't attack me, I just hired a lesbian to run the department." It was both pathetic and a violation of federal law (discrimination based on gender and sexual preference). They even lied and said she was #2 in the Louisville Athletics Department and then it turned out Louisville had two assistant athletics directors and the other guy was responsible for overseeing Football and Mens Basketball and Hermann was responsible for everything else.
All of that said, she did do at least one good thing when she called out the local media told them to stick it up their ass.
Patti Phillips, Julie Hermann, and Kate Sweeney at the hiring press conference.
Wow. I'm floored.It never seemed like a good hire. Barchi appointed an LGBTQ activist (Kate Sweeney) to run the hiring committee; that activist's first question to Barchi was "Can I pick a woman?"; the activist hired an expert consulting firm to create a shortlist and that shortlist did not have Hermann's name on it (it contained no women); so the activist went to Patti Phillips (head of the National Association of Collegiate Women Athletics Administrators) and specifically asked for a woman's name she could hire; then the activist went to the expert consulting firm and told them to create a new larger list and to put Julie Hermann's name on it; then the activist took the new list and narrowed it down to two; then the two candidates were allowed to be interviewed by the remainder of the hiring committee for an hour a piece, but these (panel) interviews only last 45 minutes because Hermann and Sweeney were too busy touring the campus.
The two names were submitted to Barchi the next day, he picked Hermann, and the rest was history. It is obvious in hindsight (and it was obvious at the time) that the only reason Hermann was selected was because she was a woman and a lesbian and all Barchi cared about was insulating himself from the LGBTQ activist attacks he was receiving because Mike Rice called that one player a "f*gg*t." It is obvious his attitude was "can't attack me, I just hired a lesbian to run the department." It was both pathetic and a violation of federal law (discrimination based on gender and sexual preference). They even lied and said she was #2 in the Louisville Athletics Department and then it turned out Louisville had two assistant athletics directors and the other guy was responsible for overseeing Football and Mens Basketball and Hermann was responsible for everything else.
All of that said, she did do at least one good thing when she called out the local media told them to stick it up their ass.
Patti Phillips, Julie Hermann, and Kate Sweeney at the hiring press conference.
This poster is a someone. No idea who he or she is but the individual only joined this site in 2022.
I thought I'd read everything there was to on this topic but there's some very damning information in there that's certainly never been publicly reported. The Hermann hire was already a debacle. Reading what I just read makes it doubly bad. Bobby Barchi's negligence and incompetence amounts to him stealing money from the university .
I didn't notice this thread before. I'm sharing below a post I made yesterday on the Round Table thread about the Politi article:
Yesterday at 6:03 PM
I've posted before about former RU President Ed Bloustein and his vision for RU and the B1G. I won't rehash the whole thing here, but in the early 80's he told me that he thought RU belonged in the B1G and it was his dream that someday it would happen. Dr. Bloustein's vision encompassed both academics and athletics, hence his affinity for the B1G. He served as RU President from 1971 through his untimely death in 1989 and presided over RU's move to bigger and ultimately big time football. Just as importantly, he presided over academic improvements that led to RU's admission to the Association of American Universities in 1989. While I've always recognized Dr. Bloustein's B1G vision for RU, I did not know before reading Politi's article that RU had sent a formal "Advantage Rutgers" proposal to the B1G back in 1990 that stressed RU's academic standing and the size of the NY and Philadephia TV markets. Although Dr. Bloustein died on December 9, 1989, his successor did not come on board until October 1990, so I have to believe Ed had a role in that proposal. In any event, his vision for RU academics and athletics made the proposal possible and also made possible our ultimate move to the B1G a few decades later. Tim Pernetti certainly deserves tremendous credit and thanks for getting us over the finish line, but he was standing on the shoulders of a giant, thanks Fast Eddie!!
Yesterday at 6:03 PM
I've posted before about former RU President Ed Bloustein and his vision for RU and the B1G. I won't rehash the whole thing here, but in the early 80's he told me that he thought RU belonged in the B1G and it was his dream that someday it would happen. Dr. Bloustein's vision encompassed both academics and athletics, hence his affinity for the B1G. He served as RU President from 1971 through his untimely death in 1989 and presided over RU's move to bigger and ultimately big time football. Just as importantly, he presided over academic improvements that led to RU's admission to the Association of American Universities in 1989. While I've always recognized Dr. Bloustein's B1G vision for RU, I did not know before reading Politi's article that RU had sent a formal "Advantage Rutgers" proposal to the B1G back in 1990 that stressed RU's academic standing and the size of the NY and Philadephia TV markets. Although Dr. Bloustein died on December 9, 1989, his successor did not come on board until October 1990, so I have to believe Ed had a role in that proposal. In any event, his vision for RU academics and athletics made the proposal possible and also made possible our ultimate move to the B1G a few decades later. Tim Pernetti certainly deserves tremendous credit and thanks for getting us over the finish line, but he was standing on the shoulders of a giant, thanks Fast Eddie!!
Yes, there's a lot to that story. Something I had heard was that there was a third name who took himself out of contention after he toured the facilities. Also, the "interview" for Hermann's competition was highly contentious unlike her interview which really made it look like the fix was in.
for sure, that's certainly my recollection - RU was pressured into hiring an incompetent spineless buffoon based on her sexuality.
I'm not anybody important or with secret information - I've been around this message board since 2005, just using other accounts (usually some version of "RutgersHouston" or "SunsetRegret"). In fact, I had one account banned in the aftermath of the Hermann hiring because I put that photo of the three women in my signature file (and the previous site ownership was completely in the tank for her). Everything I just outlined above was public information within a month of her hire. There were people who were on the hiring committee that went to the press and exposed all of it because they were angry they got cut out of the process.
Yes, the other finalist was Sean Frazier (who was the #2 in the Wisconsin Athletics Department and who wound up taking a job as the AD at Northern Illinois).
Regarding the panel interviews, it was a Social Work professor on the committee named Jeff Longhofer who grilled Frazier about his understanding of the NCAA's guide on LGBTQ inclusion; the same guy did not grill Hermann. Apparently, shortly after, Longhofer wrote a letter of apology to Frazier after some of the others who were in the interview told him that they didn't like the tone of his questions. Longhofer went on to author the "The LGBTQ Sexual Trauma Casebook" in 2019.
Although the entire decision was Barchi's to make, the six members of the main hiring committee took a vote on who to recommend to Barchi. The vote was split 3 for Hermann and 3 for Frazier. Barchi hired Hermann, but the fix had been in for a long time before that.
On the Hermann hire.
Could be right fix was in , I believe heavy lean was the case and a lot of those against Julie were against her because she was/is a Lesbian .
Some of the committee hiring probably thought being a lesbian would prove RU hired based without regard to anything but qualifications and Hermann had a good resume.
Just had skeletons in closet that were hidden and not made part of the interview process enough.
But Julie's resume was good enough to get he position, even if she proved that resume didn't include Hermann on paper was great as a 2nd in charge but couldn't handle the top spot.
Also once the facts about her actions came out she was protected and that was the not the right way to hire a new AD.
Julie should have been disqualified for lying about incidents and a new search stated if Frazier might not have been considered a good choice because of the scandal he was involved in while associate AD at Wisconsin .
He was cleared be a part of a cover-up, but was found not to have been part of a coverup of underage drinking and was moved up to the #2 in Alvarez's athletic department
As for posters having inside ifo I can't say that they're not using that in this thread, nor can I claim they are implying they have to make their opinion more acceptable.
As for bans , one post can cause a ban, but usually ( I believe but can't say if it's the way it is) a poster that shows a pattern of abusive/hate filled messages gets the boot after the mods tire out seeing them posted and poster not following warnings about how they are posting on an issue.
All in all ( in my opinion , without inside info)Tim got the shaft and Julie got preferential treatment
Sean Frazier probably was treated wrong ( after seeing a post in this thread )when he was interview because some on the committee already wanted Julie for the wrong reasons m even though her resume was good enough to deserve the RU AD job.
Could be right fix was in , I believe heavy lean was the case and a lot of those against Julie were against her because she was/is a Lesbian .
Some of the committee hiring probably thought being a lesbian would prove RU hired based without regard to anything but qualifications and Hermann had a good resume.
Just had skeletons in closet that were hidden and not made part of the interview process enough.
But Julie's resume was good enough to get he position, even if she proved that resume didn't include Hermann on paper was great as a 2nd in charge but couldn't handle the top spot.
Also once the facts about her actions came out she was protected and that was the not the right way to hire a new AD.
Julie should have been disqualified for lying about incidents and a new search stated if Frazier might not have been considered a good choice because of the scandal he was involved in while associate AD at Wisconsin .
He was cleared be a part of a cover-up, but was found not to have been part of a coverup of underage drinking and was moved up to the #2 in Alvarez's athletic department
As for posters having inside ifo I can't say that they're not using that in this thread, nor can I claim they are implying they have to make their opinion more acceptable.
As for bans , one post can cause a ban, but usually ( I believe but can't say if it's the way it is) a poster that shows a pattern of abusive/hate filled messages gets the boot after the mods tire out seeing them posted and poster not following warnings about how they are posting on an issue.
All in all ( in my opinion , without inside info)Tim got the shaft and Julie got preferential treatment
Sean Frazier probably was treated wrong ( after seeing a post in this thread )when he was interview because some on the committee already wanted Julie for the wrong reasons m even though her resume was good enough to deserve the RU AD job.
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I knew it was you…tone, body of post and points brought up.🙂
You weren’t wrong.
And I’m surprised @Local Shill you don’t remember this type of post way back when?
I give him credit for doing his job and getting the BIG invite signed, sealed and delivered . But I would also say any good AD would have also gotten it done .
He did not have a talent for finding good coaches. Kyle flood and Mike rice. He also wanted to keep Fred hill jr before the baseball incident. He was awful in that regard
He did not have a talent for finding good coaches. Kyle flood and Mike rice. He also wanted to keep Fred hill jr before the baseball incident. He was awful in that regard
It was the body of the post that got my memory going.
Almost verbatim to what was said when it all went down.
Want me to triple down?
“Rutgers wouldn’t be in the Big Ten if not for AD Pernetti” is not true.
This means that if we had any other AD then the Big Ten would not have invited Rutgers.
This isn’t a shot at AD Pernetti or some great offense. Yes he did great work. But it wasn’t some make or break decision on him.
It’s not like the Big Ten members just took Delaney’s word for it and did no due diligence.
Regardless of who was the actual AD, Rutgers likely (I’m being generous and not saying definitely) would have been invited to the Big Ten.
If Pernetti was AD at UConn, they weren’t getting invited to the Big Ten.
If Rutgers wasn’t in the NYC DMA - we likely don’t get invited.
I’ll directly quote the article:
- “Does the visibility and the success of football contribute to this? Absolutely it does,” Pernetti said. “But based on where things were going in the industry, and growth of networks and media, the New York market was going to be taken by someone at some point. I was very confident about that.”
- As Delany tells it, Rutgers wasn’t only on the Big Ten’s expansion radar for only a few months or years. This was an idea that dates back decades.
- But, above all else, Rutgers was on the Big Ten’s short list of expansion candidates for one reason. It was the market.
The admiration and fascination for pernetti is very bizarre among many rutgers fans . Yes, He did a good job getting the ball across the goal line there , but any good AD would have done it. That’s what they get paid to do .
His hiring choices were poor. Just for that he probably would have been fired at most places.
Flood-Rice- wanting to keep Hill . That’s bad and rivals grunniger’s Shea-littlepage
I actually don't blame Pernetti for the coaches too much.
Flood - he was put in a terrible position by HC Schiano leaving so late in the season. Has that even happened before or since? HC leaving literally days before signing day? It wasn't handled great but it was as unexpected a situation as it can be.
Rice - I'm still all in on Rice. Ya the video was bad but eh it's sports.
Still wouldn't have minded if we held the fort and kept him at the time.
Hill - isn't that the fans fault? We didn't really have the money to buy out the contract. The fans are supposed to bail out the AD and pony up money at demand. Same that happened with HC Flood and HC Ash - can't fault the AD for not firing a coach. The AD has to beg the fans for money to pay buy-outs. 😉
He would have gotten a pass and got to hire more coaches . But the rice thing blew up and he had to resign. I agree the rice stuff wasn’t bad . Probably should have worked something out with Murdoch before it ever got to that point .
Its revising history...rehabbing his image for his welcome back to RU..these kind of narrative pieces are done all the time yet our fans fell for it
It’s what I said in the first sentence in my post on the RT.
Big fan of Tim too. But I agree with @Plum Street and @NickRU714 on this. A different time, different higher ups and maybe a different result on how the Rice thing all played out.
As usual you're dead wrong and only show how little you knew about what was going on. Your love of his successor Herman also gets in your way of being fair to the guy. Nobody is revising history but you.
IMHO Tim does deserve credit for the B1G invite, mostly for not f'n it up, which is a significant thing when RU is involved :)
A different school, and it's possible Murdoch would have fallen off the face of the earth.
Too bad the FBI investigation of him didn't take off.
Or we could have just settled with him to make him go away . That’s what should have happened
What a terrible take. Maybe the university could grow a pair of balls for once in 260 years and just tell extortionists (who are entirely and completely wrong) to f-ck off instead?
Kyle was hired after Super Mario accepted the job, from some accounts, but came back asking for extra.
Rutgers was paying on the cheap and Pernetti refused and Klye was hired ASAP to save the recruiting class.
As for Rice he was another on the cheap hire , Tim gambled and lost .
TP took the fall over how the Rice was punished over the abuse video, but it's been claimed
he was thrown under the bus instead of backed even though the school lawyer told him a for cause firing wasn't going to be valid , so Tim made a suspension and anger management program the punishment.
Blame Tim for the hires, but remember running programs on the cheap force ADs to gamble a little more on candidates they can afford to hire.
Not only that, but Pernetti made the brilliant move of hiring himself as an assistant coach so he could legally go and talk to the committed recruits and keep the recruiting class together while all this played out. Best recruiting class in school history? Thank Pernetti because he kept it together almost (literally) singlehandedly.
I don't believe wanted to keep FHJ, the school wouldn't eat his contract. The baseball incident gave him cause.
I was shocked he failed and everyone associated with him was also shocked. I was in Villanova's locker room after a Villanova game because my friend played for them and after 10 minutes of talking to Fred, I was convinced he would be a great coach at RU. A few years later, he failed, and failed miserably.
Don't remind me, I thought he would be successful
He came from Nova ( 2001-2005) and recruited well as an RU assistant ( 2005 ), but as a HC had no clue and it showed.
I can't clam to have been knowledgeable enough to feel he was a mistake quickly , I even defended him and was proved wrong .
I was at the Snow Game.
My roommate and I lived on Livingston so we were able to walk down.
While we loved HC Waters (took the train up to MSG for the NIT semi and finals), we were both on the HC FHJ bandwagon.
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