Podesta Let A Big Cat Out Of His Bag

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  1. ashokan

    ashokan All American
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    Podesta email release gave a huge clue to troubles roiling American institutions. Most people missed it and focused on more minor Wiki topic. Podesta and crew like to poison wells with social issues (think transgender in military etc) that camouflage real goal of sowing upheaval.

    With regard to the Catholic Church, an individual writing to Podesta declared the need for a "Catholic Spring" - led by "Catholics themselves". He wrote that he didn't have an idea about how to "plant the seeds of the revolution”.

    Podesta replied the push for a revolution were already planted:

    "We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this"

    When he says "we" he means other fellow travelers in his political (vs religious) circles. This method of creating political activists disguised as grass roots religious activists is Subversion 101 - right out of radical, subversive playbooks. People have long known this was going on and heard the standard "tinfoil hat" thing but Podesta is caught admitting to such methods. "Religious groups" are right out of the CAP/Soros/Clinton/Obama political plantation


    "Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good (CACG) was founded by Tom Periello in 2005. Its chairman is Fred Rotondaro. Both Rotondaro and Periello are senior fellows at the Centre for American Progress, founded by Podesta.

    Rotondaro has called for the ordination of women, saying: “I have never seen any rational reason why a woman could not be a priest.” In the same article he says that “Gay sex comes from God”, and asks whether “any practicing Catholic under age 80” agrees with the Church’s teaching on contraception.

    Critics have described CACG as a “Trojan Horse” for those who would undermine Church teaching. But its connections to senior figures in the Democrat party, and its intent to change the Church, have not previously been so clear.

    Catholics United was also founded in 2005, by Democrat activists Chris Korzen and James Salt."

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...nisations-to-create-revolution-in-the-church/




    Fake Catholic Groups and the "Catholic Spring" Emails

    October 13, 2016
    It is now impossible to deny that Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good and Catholics United have worked for years to undermine and manipulate Catholic leadership

    Beginning in 2007, orthodox Catholic writers including myself wrote dozens of articles in an attempt to expose the funding and duplicitousness of two fake Catholic groups: the George Soros-funded Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good and Catholics United. (For example, see here and here and here.) Now, with the release of the leaked emails this week from longtime Democratic Party operative and current Clinton campaign chair, John Podesta, there is confirmation that Podesta personally helped to launch these two progressive groups to infiltrate the Catholic Church in an attempt to provide a liberal revolt against the US bishops. Calling it a “Catholic Spring,”

    This is not a surprise, but it is vindication for those of us who have been warning about these groups for nearly a decade. In 2008, some of us began to expose the source of the funding for Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good and Catholics United, as well as the devious activities they engaged in as they attempted to diminish the authority of those bishops opposing the Affordable Care Act. Some of us were punished by the Obama administration for our journalistic work through punitive political audits by the IRS. But most of us continued to defend the Church and her leaders against what we knew then was an orchestrated attack by the Obama administration. In a 2009 Wall Street Journal op-ed, I wrote that “when Mr. Obama was running for president, Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good and Catholics United tried to neutralize the abortion issue throughout his campaign—suggesting that his proposals on social justice issues like poverty were the real way to reduce abortion rates without restricting abortion rights...”

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/...ic_groups_and_the_catholic_spring_emails.aspx
     
  2. brookdale-soda

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    Yes. I actually think the true findings of the wiki leaks is not necessarily an indictment of Clinton. Didn't we already know most of clintons views? Without a doubt it is a window of the subversive activities that liberal progressives are up to. It's outrageous that this isn't covered at all. A political organization which is trying to change the church from within?! That's some subversive sh$t.
     
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    How do you think BLM got started?

    Or OWS?

    Or the incredibly well organized LBGT push?

    Or the Tran test cases?
     
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    This rivals the Clinton rapes as some of their most despicable behavior.
     
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    Exactly. BLM is a radical, political counter-culture group formed by long standing Marxists. Their goals and agitations go way beyond policing. They don't want to fix policing - they want to break it as part of their "revolution". They hate black cops too. Obama, Soros et al know that too because they are in the same camp. Its all "Rules for Radicals" stuff - camouflaged revolution with a middle class, collegiate smile.

    We have an unsavory, corrupt and violence friendly political class staging a Trojan horse revolution, Soros and his people run hundreds of groups that are cloaked in the language of civil idealism but they intend to be corrosive and its dangerous. Many of the nonprofit groups are supposed to be banned from engaging in politics but thats exactly what they do.

    David Brock (gay who runs Media Matters) runs over a dozen Clinton/Soros groups. He has 7 non-profits, 3 Super PACs, one 527-committee, one LLC, one joint fundraising committee - all in one office. Money and grants get illegally exchanged between them. One group Brock started to work for is a "watchdog" group called Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics (CREW). Former staffers complain Brock has illegally turned it into a political attack machine.

    The world is erupting in anarchy and chaos and these people have the US military focused on global warming and cross dressers while military people get constantly harassed on all types of charges, slanders etc. A "rape epidemic" was created just by playing with the definitions (a fav tactic of theirs). The people driving this dont want to fix anything - they want to break things while pretending to be "thoughful". Every week someone is provoking military via some stunt because they know Obama doesn't care - if not actually sympathize with provocateurs. You can see they are setting up their engineered "crisis" for election. Trump might be dopey but he's not a revolutionary who wants to break the country.
     
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    At the end of the revolution what are they going to have?
     
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    Anarchy. The radicals believe they first have to knock down existing institutions and systems in order to build anew. That's where they get vague (except for people like Ayers who said they would have to kill 25 million people). They are like a Dr Frankenstein who want to create a monster they think they can control. In places like Southeast East Asia the "noble agitators" were the first ones killed when things collapsed following subversion. Alinsky taught that nothing his followers do can be considered immoral as long as it harms the existing order. Its like ISIS in that regard - an ideology that elevates and excuses what it low. People get intoxicated on such things.

    In these movements there are psychopaths who know how to use people and there are psychotic followers who drink the Kool-aide given and are true believers. A lot of the OWS kids are psychotics. They emerged from family life etc feeling broken and inferior. They are vulnerable to people offering them a heroic self image where they are "saving the world". The actual end result of what they work for will be very different. Right now a lot of Dems think the radicals are on their side because they have a "D" by their name and go after Reps. In the end they just use Dem party. Soros doesn't go to bed and wake-up thinking he's a Democrat.

    Worth a mention that subversion isn't particularly clandestine. You can see it work right in front of you. There seem to be all these do-gooder groups who somehow manage to break everything they touch and "up becomes down". In US everything is upside down" and the criminals and disordered are riding herd on the defamed normals. That's not civil rights - thats subversion.

    Also worth a mention that when the ball gets rolling the whole business spreads like something viral. Leaders dont have to meet in a dark warehouse somewhere and plot to control things. its more like Einstein's "spooky action from a distance". Once BLM gets rolling they don't need contact with the people that got them started. Then other manufactured groups merge in until some breaking point.. After the initial stages of demoralization and destabilization (fracturing like you see now) - comes crisis and then "normalization". We are set for the engineered "crisis" - which when applied to the fractures causes disintegration so the "authorities" can come in a reestablish things their way.
     
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    But it does not always break and fall the way they envision.
     
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    Yes. It's proof that the conservative concerns which many in the media have claimed to be conspiracy theories are not theories at all but are fact!
     
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    True. I expect they probably go up in their own flames. Who picks up the bits after that though? That's the question. US people didn't originally invent and practice the subversion we see. They learned that from communists who had free rein to do what they wanted to their people, and so learned the dark side of psychology better than democratic types. Defamations, accusations stresses - destroy all models and ideals - sully the heros -turn everyone against each other. Blacks vs white, oreintation this vs identity that, Satanists vs Quakers, women vs men, productive people vs wayward masses etc. Just keep accusing and pushing - it never mattered if their ideas made sense. Just upsetting people and causing conflict in them was the goal. Upset people crave relief. They mostly will compromise or quit. That's why they hate Trump. He's in their faces and doesnt go limp. He brought millions with him. Now they call "racism" and "redneck" or "nativists" and "phobes".

    The thing is that even if US fell into unexpected consequences for the schemers there are still people abroad who would be quite happy with that. America was always seen by them as the dam that stopped the globe from tipping socialist/communist one world order. That's why they want America flattened into mere GPS digits for global welfare office. Putin knows what Obama/Soros/Hillary are up to. He learned the whole game. No surprise there are certain activist groups he keeps out of Russia.
     
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    Interesting stuff. There were those who cheered the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. Some will cheer the end of the Pax Americana.
     
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    It seems to me a bad strategy to sow seeds of a revolution when your side of the divide is anti firearm, anti political symbology, anti capitalist, pro regulation and anti religion.

    If you're rebuilding a society, it seems to me that you need to have producers, self sufficient individuals, people who rally behind political symbology and are at least religion neutral.

    Who does the work in this new society they want? Who provides the security? Who are the sheepdogs?

    It seems to me it's much easier to siphon off the top--like both political parties have done for the last 60 years--than it is to burn this motha down.

    But whadda I know...
     
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    agree 100%.

    Now consider what your opinion would be if you were in an echo chamber surrounded by the same elitist attitudes 24x7 and the well settled conclusion is that the masses are just misguided and need to be led to a new ideology.

    Maybe you'd lose sight of the practical...
     
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    As for security you can see the morph they are setting up now. The admin and allies are criminalizing police and sanctioning criminals - typical topsy-turvy - the top goes to the bottom and bottom to the top - typical subversion. Now police are finding it harder and harder to do their jobs. There will be more crime - which Obama et al want. They will say that since enforcement is "broken" (and they broke it) the system needs reworking. They are already doing that trying to federalize police in cities across the country (with military they are trying the same thing and want to take control of military justice system etc - that rape and abuse "crisis" is about).

    Then they get to coax things their way and put their own "type" of people in charge (and its easier to and easier to do that via the pressures and criteria they have for hiring etc). While police etc are being crippled, transformed etc there's another cultivation going on at street level. The various rebellious groups (BLM etc) will say they will be taking up the slack and doing grassroots security. Between organizing, empowering the rabble in the street and the pod people in enforcement you flip the system. Its like political AIDs where the parasite uses hosts genetic material to build its way in. The Brownshirts came about when German police could no longer contain the riots. Obama once spoke of the need for a civilian security force equal to the military. He's been working things that way while people call him inept and lazy (he's also been working on a massive database and there are reasons for that). There are millions of socially caustic people that would be easy to organize quickly once they see the right leaders and opportunity (which they sense now and say so openly)

    As for the the things like gun control, anti capitalism etc. Those things look one way to the worker drones at bottom of ladder and another way to the initiators at the top. There are gently psychotic types who get lost between the ears and live in fantasy world where they think nobody needs guns, capitalism, cars etc but they never run anything. They just do the shift work. The radicals who run things on the other hand are never really idealistic. Soros isn't an idealist - he hates people, places and things. The social justice charade (that the psychotics fall for) just gives them an ax to grind. Obama isn't against injustice - he resents America and the white people in it. Most Marxists, radicals etc. are losers as people.

    The smartest of the dumb people are attracted to Marxism. Its odd but many loose radicals do believe the first job is to knock down what exists and worry about what comes after latter.

    The people at the top don't really want to eradicate capitalism like the olde tyme communists of 100 years ago. They know it doesn't work. That's why they like China. They see the party getting rich while running everything and everyone, A guy like Soros doesn't want to ruin the world - he just wants to control it and punish the people he hates - mostly religious people like Christians and his fellow Jews.

    While many of these people hate Judaeo-Christian people (and so America and Israel) they often do have their own devotions to the dark side of things. A lot of these people are more into the occult (think Eyes Wide Shut) than people realize (the Nazis were also big occultists). Alinsky praised Satan as first radical in his book's dedications. He told Playboy he would chose to go the hell.

    After all the political ideas, concepts etc. you still up with bad people scheming to get at the good. That's why all the crappy people and countries hate America (not that its as good as it used to be but it still has many of the right ideas compared to the rabble). Leninists are distinct from plain wrapper Marxists in that they want an elite cadre of thinkers to be leaders against tyranny etc. Of course that already happened with US revolution. They just try to mimic from the dark side of things while deluding everyone they are good when they aren't.

    The Hillary-Alinsky-Lucifer Connection
    http://spectator.org/the-hillary-alinsky-lucifer-connection/
     
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