Politi's take (not behind a paywall)

[Rufaninga]

If you are within 1 score, I don't have an issue with it. A fumble snap recovery gives you a chance to score. If there is enough time to get fumble and have 1 snap on offense then go for it. If you don't want a chance to have kids getting hurt on a snap, they shouldn't be playing football. Hard to declare victory while time is in the clock and there are snaps to be made.

I don't like we won, don't try to take the ball from us approach. Get in a formation to take a snap and kneel down and be prepared as if it was any other play.

 

[NickRU714]

And that’s ok …if Greg is telling him not to run it is for a reason…You have NO other viable QB’s …Simon…nope…Vedral…nope….that’s why.

If so, who’s fault is that?

 

[NickRU714]

You play to the gun.

Tom Coughlin is an old douchebag and Mel Tucker is an unoriginal, thieving dipsh*t.

Hope Greg told him to F himself during the handshake which appeared less than cordial.

Well, the final gun.

Halftime gun, you just give up possessions.

 

[retired711]

Its probably because Schiano told him not to run
It was the same way with Teel
People were critical of Teel not running and when asked why he didn't run Teel said "coach told me not to"

I understand that, but what I am wondering is why Schiano is telling him not to run. Is it because of the bad ankle? In that case we can expect Wimsatt to run when his ankle has healed. Or does Schiano not believe that Wimsatt can run effectively? Or does Schiano not believe at all in running quarterbacks (except to avoid a sack)? The answer makes a difference to what our offensive and recruiting philosophy will be.

 

[Knight Shift]

I understand that, but what I am wondering is why Schiano is telling him not to run. Is it because of the bad ankle? In that case we can expect Wimsatt to run when his ankle has healed. Or does Schiano not believe that Wimsatt can run effectively? Or does Schiano not believe at all in running quarterbacks (except to avoid a sack)? The answer makes a difference to what our offensive and recruiting philosophy will be.

Greg alluded to the fact that Wimsatt is not fully healed in either this week's pre-game presser or the Michigan post-game presser.

 

[zebnatto]

I’d guess it’s the ankle, he’s shown before the injury he’s not afraid to take off and run. And to me, he hasn’t looked as fast the last couple weeks as he did before the injury.

Agree. He’s looked downright slow.

 

[RU-Hunter]

Interesting that Schiano feels he has a better chance getting a fumble in a victory formation than to try moving the ball to end the first half. His calculated risk management are misplaced.

 

[ru66]

Its probably because Schiano told him not to run
It was the same way with Teel
People were critical of Teel not running and when asked why he didn't run Teel said "coach told me not to"

Did you notice how his ankles were heavily taped.They are obviously protecting him and If Politi was such a wonderful journalist he would have recalled that in a presser last week Schiano said just that

 

[retired711]

Greg alluded to the fact that Wimsatt is not fully healed in either this week's pre-game presser or the Michigan post-game presser.

I did see that, and I'm hoping it means that Wimsatt will run once he's fully healed (which may not be until next year). The chance that the QB might take off on a read option gives the defense one more thing to worry about.

 

[mildone]

Didn’t read the article, don’t care what Politi has to say.

Coaching decisions on the last drive at the end of the first half was terrible. GS’s public statement about it notwithstanding, let’s hope in private he sees it and learns.

While the number of penalties is partly coaching, the coaching staff’s best tool against it is sitting players who keep committing penaltie. Except we have no depth at the moment. So it’s not so easy to fix. And so many players are penalized, you’d be sitting the entire team.

The victory formation is pure 100% bush league bullshit and if I was PSU and saw GS do that in the MSU game, then I’d go for a TD on the last play of the RU-PSU game even if up by 50 points. Because you play until the last whistle, right Greg?

 

[wheezer]

People forget things like the Graber -JoePa incident back at Giants stadium.You want to talk bush league….now that was bush league. Teams know he will do that and he would expect them to do the same.You play until the final whistle especially when you still have a chance.

the PU quarterback threw that pass against orders of the coach
He Was supposed to kill the clock with a running play, so I don’t blame Paterno

that said, Joe missed an opportunity to make news and headlines across the nation right then

RU committed a penalty on the TD pass

Joe should have accepted the penalty negating the TD. He could have said he did it to teach the qb a lesson and that is not what Penn State is all about

Joe could have done that, PU still wins big
That becomes the biggest game story since it is never done, Joe comes off looking like a very principled man

 

[wheezer]

Interesting that Schiano feels he has a better chance getting a fumble in a victory formation than to try moving the ball to end the first half. His calculated risk management are misplaced.

I would bet that Greg is not feeling good about the end of the first half, would approach it differently

 

[wheezer]

Didn’t read the article, don’t care what Politi has to say.

Coaching decisions on the last drive at the end of the first half was terrible. GS’s public statement about it notwithstanding, let’s hope in private he sees it and learns.

While the number of penalties is partly coaching, the coaching staff’s best tool against it is sitting players who keep committing penaltie. Except we have no depth at the moment. So it’s not so easy to fix. And so many players are penalized, you’d be sitting the entire team.

The victory formation is pure 100% bush league bullshit and if I was PSU and saw GS do that in the MSU game, then I’d go for a TD on the last play of the RU-PSU game even if up by 50 points. Because you play until the last whistle, right Greg?

Actually, in that situation Greg should not complain, if Greg tried to get to the qb the response is fair

I still support trying to win if you are within one score, and nothing will change my opinion
It is just one more play in a game

 

[RU4Real]

Bush league crap

If you're down by more than one score, I agree.

A fumble recovery for TD would have won the game yesterday. Play til there's 00:00 on the clock.

 

[rutgersal]

Bush league crap

It is bush league and I don’t like it either.

 

[Knightmoves]

If you're down by more than one score, I agree.

A fumble recovery for TD would have won the game yesterday. Play til there's 00:00 on the clock.

In the history of football can you name one time a team won the game after attacking the victory formation?

 

[rutgersal]

I understand that, but what I am wondering is why Schiano is telling him not to run. Is it because of the bad ankle? In that case we can expect Wimsatt to run when his ankle has healed. Or does Schiano not believe that Wimsatt can run effectively? Or does Schiano not believe at all in running quarterbacks (except to avoid a sack)? The answer makes a difference to what our offensive and recruiting philosophy will be.

Wimsatt will run when the ankle has healed, imo.

 

[Knight Shift]

If you're down by more than one score, I agree.

A fumble recovery for TD would have won the game yesterday. Play til there's 00:00 on the clock.

We disagree here, and that is OK.

Maybe Greg should have put as much planning, thought and effort into the last 1:40 of the first half and not be in that position and the end of the game. Two separate things, yes. But there is a much higher probability of success in being aggressive in the last drive of the first half than a fumble recovery, scoop and score by crashing the victory formation.

BTW, I tried to find via Google where crashing the victory formation resulted in a victory, and came up empty for pros and college. Here's what I found:



Troy fumbled it back on their first play from scrimmage.

But I did find a case where it worked in high school in 2018--again, very low probability of success.

 

[Knight Shift]

In the history of football can you name one time a team won the game after attacking the victory formation?

See my post above. In a high school game in 2018. But as I said, playing more aggressively (and/or at least managing the clock better) is a better chance for success than crashing the victory formation. If the philosophy is to "play" the game for a full 60 minutes, then why not do the same on offense?

 

[RUBOB72]

the PU quarterback threw that pass against orders of the coach
He Was supposed to kill the clock with a running play, so I don’t blame Paterno

that said, Joe missed an opportunity to make news and headlines across the nation right then

RU committed a penalty on the TD pass

Joe should have accepted the penalty negating the TD. He could have said he did it to teach the qb a lesson and that is not what Penn State is all about

Joe could have done that, PU still wins big
That becomes the biggest game story since it is never done, Joe comes off looking like a very principled man

Graber should have still punched Joe P’s lights out

 

[Knightmoves]

See my post above. In a high school game in 2018. But as I said, playing more aggressively (and/or at least managing the clock better) is a better chance for success than crashing the victory formation. If the philosophy is to "play" the game for a full 60 minutes, then why not do the same on offense?

So Greg attacks the victory formation, because it worked once in a hs game?

Who can argue with that? 😀

 

[RUBOB72]

If so, who’s fault is that?

Now you want to make claim that we had 2 out of our 3 first line QB’s injured and fault the HC. Perhaps at Michigan, Ohio State , Alabama , Georgia you have 5 D-1 QB’s and maybe someday Rutgers will have 3-4-5 actual capable D-1 QB’s but as of now that’s not being fair nor realistic.

 

[wheezer]

Graber should have still punched Joe P’s lights out

Respectfully disagree
Haven’t seen a replay in a while, but Joe’s reaction was shock at what happened on the field and thereafter talking to the qb

in this instance, if Joe called a running play
you don’t blame Joe
And yes I dislike PU a lot

 

[RUBOB72]

Respectfully disagree
Haven’t seen a replay in a while, but Joe’s reaction was shock at what happened on the field and thereafter talking to the qb

in this instance, if Joe called a running play
you don’t blame Joe
And yes I dislike PU a lot

Joe was full of shit… plain and simple. The guy was a legend in many’s mind view of college football. He could do no wrong.

 

[wheezer]

Joe was full of shit… plain and simple. The guy was a legend in many’s mind view of college football. He could do no wrong.

No I agree with your assessment of him personally but I believe he called a running play there

 

[Knight Shift]

Paterno was not full of sh!t in the 2006 Ohio State game.

Joe Paterno Leaves Penn State in a Messy Situation

While we have been celebrating Magic all week – and rightfully so – there have been some other issues that are going on over in Pennsylvania that must be addressed. The issues surroundi…

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[RUBOB72]

So Greg attacks the victory formation, because it worked once in a hs game?

Who can argue with that? 😀

You play until the last whistle . If that’s in a blowout no …in a potential situation where you , by the time left , have a fleas chance in a windstorm yeah you play on. Most of the views are based upon opinions in a personal light. It is over until this coming week … B1G game and you never know what can happen.

 

[RUBOB72]

No I agree with your assessment of him personally but I believe he called a running play there

That’s what his claim was to Graber . So the great Joe Pa had a kid go against his edict? How does that make a difference ?

 

[NickRU714]

Now you want to make claim that we had 2 out of our 3 first line QB’s injured and fault the HC. Perhaps at Michigan, Ohio State , Alabama , Georgia you have 5 D-1 QB’s and maybe someday Rutgers will have 3-4-5 actual capable D-1 QB’s but as of now that’s not being fair nor realistic.

What are you talking about?
Literally every QB is healthy and available.

You proposed that HC Schiano told QB Wimsatt not to run because there is no viable backup.
Basically, we have to limit Wimsatt because we can't afford an injury.

If so, why is there no viable alternative?
Note - Wimsatt was the QB3 coming into the season.
QB Vedral is widely viewed to have been the QB1 if not for injury and QB Simon literally threw the first pass of the season - to me that makes him the QB2.

So yes, the current situation of needing to limit QB Wimsatt against MSU because there are no viable alternatives is the fault of the HC.

 

[RUBOB72]

What did I say… the two games we should have probably won Iowa and Nebraska. We did not have but 1healthy QB -Simon.

 

[kupuna133]

Politi hates rutgers

This sums it up. It is one thing to be critical it is another thing to constantly mock and ridicule.

 

[wheezer]

That’s what his claim was to Graber . So the great Joe Pa had a kid go against his edict? How does that make a difference ?

I remember seeing Joe looking flustered, confused after the play

The common perception after the game was the qb called the play

And yes it WOULD make a big difference in getting angry with Joe
If the qb audibles the play you get mad at Joe?
that makes no sense

 

[RU#1fan]

Politi is an idiot. Every once in awhile he gets something right. This is one of those.

Penalties = bad cosching

Not trying to score with the ball, 3 timeouts, and 1:40 on the clock = bad coaching

Crashing the v formation = bush league

This

 

[RUBOB72]

What are you talking about?
Literally every QB is healthy and available.

You proposed that HC Schiano told QB Wimsatt not to run because there is no viable backup.
Basically, we have to limit Wimsatt because we can't afford an injury.

If so, why is there no viable alternative?
Note - Wimsatt was the QB3 coming into the season.
QB Vedral is widely viewed to have been the QB1 if not for injury and QB Simon literally threw the first pass of the season - to me that makes him the QB2.

So yes, the current situation of needing to limit QB Wimsatt against MSU because there are no viable alternatives is the fault of the HC.

Wimsatt was actually the number 2 as the season unfolded . Both Simon and Wimsatt alternated back and forth.in actuality when have you seen Evan the past several games… I ‘ll wait for your update. Answer zero ….Once again Greg said it’s the easy to blame… but he , the staff and players are all accountable for their performance. For all intents and purposes Schiano will be here for at least 3 more years . Now the staff will undergo some changes but keep in mind it still is a young team and a young staff. Rutgers could buy some higher priced coaches from the HC down but they won’t and they can’t.

 

[Knightmoves]

What did I say… the two games we should have probably won Iowa and Nebraska. We did not have but 1healthy QB -Simon.

Agree that we should have beaten Nebraska. But we lost to Iowa 27-10.

How should we have probably won that game unless you take 3 Iowa scores off the scoreboard?

 

[Pils86]

I feel there should be a rule that in the last two minutes of the game if the offense does not gain positive yardage on a play the clock stops.

 

[RUBOB72]

Agree that we should have beaten Nebraska. But we lost to Iowa 27-10.

How should we have probably won that game unless you take 3 Iowa scores off the scoreboard?

Agree that we should have beaten Nebraska. But we lost to Iowa 27-10.

How should we have probably won that game unless you take 3 Iowa scores off the scoreboard?

Without a healthy QB why do you assume we would not have scored another 1 or 2 TD’s. What was the score by periods?

 

[tico brown]

Crashing the line has been discussed over 1k times by this board and Schiano himself.If you don’t like it don’t watch. Love how we now listen to Steve Politi about the QB Wimsatt and why he’s not running more.Here’s the fact . He is basically our ONLY QB worth anything ( no offense Noah). Vedral is still not 100% .Lastlynwho do you want to take the majority of the snaps these last 2 B1G games?

Then don’t quit on the first half and play not to lose. Can’t have it both ways.

 

[tico brown]

And that’s ok …if Greg is telling him not to run it is for a reason…You have NO other viable QB’s …Simon…nope…Vedral…nope….that’s why.

Shouldn’t have put all of his money eggs into one basket. Would’ve had another capable P5 QB if they actually recruited one every year like most schools do.

 

[mdk01]

Interesting that Schiano feels he has a better chance getting a fumble in a victory formation than to try moving the ball to end the first half. His calculated risk management are misplaced.

I guess having a whole half to comeback is irrelevant.