Politi's take (not behind a paywall)

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Here is what I'd tell Wimsatt, if I could. And it would either help a lot.. or ruin him.

Gavin.. you are a Superstar.

Say it.. say "I am a superstar".

Say it again.. and again.. until you believe it.

And ACT like a superstar. When you walk out on the field... show your swag. The offense is yours. YOU are the most responsible for it.

When GS did not call a timeout after that late first half first down.. what would a superstar do? He'd call the timeout himself and take any heat for it from the coaches later. The timeout.. showing a desire to score before the half... that is what a superstar does. He shows faith in himself and his teammates to score before the half. And his teammates rally around him.

Yes, calling the timeout is what the coach should have done. Not calling a timeout INSULTS a superstar. You, Gavin, should feel insulted by it and let Nunzio and Greg know it. Calling a timeout yourself would have shown them how you felt. And if you did not feel insulted.. then you are not thinking of yourself as a superstar.

Gavin.. you are a superstar QB Rutgers desperately needs. A superstar who takes teh offense on his shoulders. Who doesn't worry about his failures because he will have rfar more success.. because he is a superstar.

Be the superstar... on the field.

Be a leader in the locker room.. a student in the classrooms. A good human being every place else. But when you strap on the helmet.. you are the superstar.

 

[17Q66]

Politi hates rutgers

This is sheer lunacy.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

What happened in the Bills v. Vikings game was completely different. The Bills needed at least to get back to the line of scrimmage. It wasn't a situation in which a team could take a two-yard loss, which is what happens in the victory formation. But thank you: your post led me to see the highlights of that game.

If they had took a knee in the end zone, they win the game. There was 40 seconds left. Instead they tried to push their way out of it and fumbled.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

This is sheer lunacy.

He definitely hates Rutgers. Where have you been for the last 15 years?

 

[mdk01]

Here is what I'd tell Wimsatt, if I could. And it would either help a lot.. or ruin him.

Gavin.. you are a Superstar.

Say it.. say "I am a superstar".

Say it again.. and again.. until you believe it.

And ACT like a superstar. When you walk out on the field... show your swag. The offense is yours. YOU are the most responsible for it.

When GS did not call a timeout after that late first half first down.. what would a superstar do? He'd call the timeout himself and take any heat for it from the coaches later. The timeout.. showing a desire to score before the half... that is what a superstar does. He shows faith in himself and his teammates to score before the half. And his teammates rally around him.

Yes, calling the timeout is what the coach should have done. Not calling a timeout INSULTS a superstar. You, Gavin, should feel insulted by it and let Nunzio and Greg know it. Calling a timeout yourself would have shown them how you felt. And if you did not feel insulted.. then you are not thinking of yourself as a superstar.

Gavin.. you are a superstar QB Rutgers desperately needs. A superstar who takes teh offense on his shoulders. Who doesn't worry about his failures because he will have rfar more success.. because he is a superstar.

Be the superstar... on the field.

Be a leader in the locker room.. a student in the classrooms. A good human being every place else. But when you strap on the helmet.. you are the superstar.

He is NOT a superstar, YET. No Power 5 HC would accept that from a 19 year old who has started 3 games.

 

[colbert17]

accept that

Did I miss something?

 

[Caliknight]

Here is what I'd tell Wimsatt, if I could. And it would either help a lot.. or ruin him.

Gavin.. you are a Superstar.

Say it.. say "I am a superstar".

Say it again.. and again.. until you believe it.

And ACT like a superstar. When you walk out on the field... show your swag. The offense is yours. YOU are the most responsible for it.

When GS did not call a timeout after that late first half first down.. what would a superstar do? He'd call the timeout himself and take any heat for it from the coaches later. The timeout.. showing a desire to score before the half... that is what a superstar does. He shows faith in himself and his teammates to score before the half. And his teammates rally around him.

Yes, calling the timeout is what the coach should have done. Not calling a timeout INSULTS a superstar. You, Gavin, should feel insulted by it and let Nunzio and Greg know it. Calling a timeout yourself would have shown them how you felt. And if you did not feel insulted.. then you are not thinking of yourself as a superstar.

Gavin.. you are a superstar QB Rutgers desperately needs. A superstar who takes teh offense on his shoulders. Who doesn't worry about his failures because he will have rfar more success.. because he is a superstar.

Be the superstar... on the field.

Be a leader in the locker room.. a student in the classrooms. A good human being every place else. But when you strap on the helmet.. you are the superstar.

If you are a player calling timeouts when your coach isn’t you’re never ever going to be successful. The connection is way to vast to overcome.

 

[rutger80]

If they had took a knee in the end zone, they win the game. There was 40 seconds left. Instead they tried to push their way out of it and fumbled.

Not exactly. It was Bills 27-23...a knee in the end zone makes it 27-25 and Buffalo having to punt to Minnesota, with the Vikings then only needing field goal.

 

[Caliknight]

Schiano should spend more time figuring out an offense than strategizing bush league plays when the game has been decided.

 

[retired711]

If they had took a knee in the end zone, they win the game. There was 40 seconds left. Instead they tried to push their way out of it and fumbled.

No. They would have taken a safety. Then they would have to punt, dropkick or placekick from their 20. (They can't kick off from a tee.) That's risky. That's why they tried the sneak. If it works, then they don't have to run another play.

But even if they could have taken a knee, they clearly weren't in victory formation. So your claim that crashing a victory formation was successful in that game is incorrect.

Here are the NFL rules on a safety. See Article 2 on what happens after a safety is scored. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/safety/

 

[retired711]

Here is what I'd tell Wimsatt, if I could. And it would either help a lot.. or ruin him.

Gavin.. you are a Superstar.

Say it.. say "I am a superstar".

Say it again.. and again.. until you believe it.

And ACT like a superstar. When you walk out on the field... show your swag. The offense is yours. YOU are the most responsible for it.

When GS did not call a timeout after that late first half first down.. what would a superstar do? He'd call the timeout himself and take any heat for it from the coaches later. The timeout.. showing a desire to score before the half... that is what a superstar does. He shows faith in himself and his teammates to score before the half. And his teammates rally around him.

Yes, calling the timeout is what the coach should have done. Not calling a timeout INSULTS a superstar. You, Gavin, should feel insulted by it and let Nunzio and Greg know it. Calling a timeout yourself would have shown them how you felt. And if you did not feel insulted.. then you are not thinking of yourself as a superstar.

Gavin.. you are a superstar QB Rutgers desperately needs. A superstar who takes teh offense on his shoulders. Who doesn't worry about his failures because he will have rfar more success.. because he is a superstar.

Be the superstar... on the field.

Be a leader in the locker room.. a student in the classrooms. A good human being every place else. But when you strap on the helmet.. you are the superstar.

I've decided that your post must be intended as satire. But, as I pointed out to another poster, it's difficult to express satire in writing.

 

[colbert17]

it's difficult to express satire in writing

Especially on this board

 

[Randal7]

This is sheer lunacy.

Your right. He’s a friend.

 

[Scarlet16E]

Bush league smush league. In a one score game, the defense should not lay down until the final whistle. Period.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

man, some of you would defend greg if you walked in and saw greg banging your wife

he'd probably be flagged for off sides, illegal participation, offensive interference, holding, unnecessary roughness, and delay of game in the process.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

We gifted them two scores on headscratching turnovers, and had a goal-to-go huge gain of our own wiped out by the worst OPI call in the history of football, and another wiped out by a phantom holding call.

somehow the B1G refs managed to get #1A (the Non OPI call) and #2 in there just a few Rutgers games later. (and we thought the Big East Refs sucked and we're getting a more professional group..ha)

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Crashing the victory formation looks stupid . You had the chance to fight for 46 mins. Do it then. Not when the team is kneeling.

Then the refs should just call the game then for player safety. I get both sides of this one. I just put this one in the box labeled "more weird and inconsistent crap Coach does".

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Schiano should spend more time figuring out an offense than strategizing bush league plays when the game has been decided.

I'm guessing this one had much more to do with Tucker than anything. Just a hunch.

 

[Knightmoves]

Are other P5 CFB coaches known for attacking the Victory formation or is Greg alone or one of the few who consistently does it?

Any other HC’s in the B1G do it?

 

[NickRU714]

Remember when the OSU Punter kept "playing until the final whistle" and ran it?
Or when everyone thought HC Day was "playing until the final whistle" and called for a fake punt?
Glad nobody flipped out that. He was instilling toughness and a mindset in his players.
Never give up.

Note - I don't actually care about HC Schiano crashing the formation as some black mark on his coaching career. It's not actually a big deal either way.

 

[NickRU714]

Schiano will always have his teams play until the final whistle. Actually it is teaching a life skill sorely lacking in our current group of under 40’s population.

Oh god. The "under 40s population" critics now?

How about this:
HC Schiano making a decision (run out the 1st half clock) and then refusing to adapt when the situation changes (MSU blows TOs, we get first downs) is teaching players to be stubborn and obtuse and refuse to change.
Life skills unfornatuely in abundance in our current group of over 40's population.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Remember when the OSU Punter kept "playing until the final whistle" and ran it?
Or when everyone thought HC Day was "playing until the final whistle" and called for a fake punt?
Glad nobody flipped out that. He was instilling toughness and a mindset in his players.
Never give up.

Note - I don't actually care about HC Schiano crashing the formation as some black mark on his coaching career. It's not actually a big deal either way.

again, not advocating for it but all's he needs is one TO from it and he'll change the endgame of 1 score games forever lol.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Oh god. The "under 40s population" critics now?

How about this:
HC Schiano making a decision (run out the 1st half clock) and then refusing to adapt when the situation changes (MSU blows TOs, we get first downs) is teaching players to be stubborn and obtuse and refuse to change.
Life skills unfornatuely in abundance in our current group of over 40's population.

I spent 35 years working with marketing and I thought they had found every possible way to group humans (until I found this forum lol).

 

[NickRU714]

Then the refs should just call the game then for player safety. I get both sides of this one. I just put this one in the box labeled "more weird and inconsistent crap Coach does".

I can see this eventually happening for blowouts.
20pt game, 1min left, defense has no more timeouts
Just end the game at that point (by agreement of both teams) instead of the charade of kneel downs.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

I can see this eventually happening for blowouts.
20pt game, 1min left, defense has no more timeouts
Just end the game at that point (by agreement of both teams) instead of the charade of kneel downs.

Kind of like basketball end games, the defense can always just stand up and signal no more. That would solve that.

 

[Randal7]

He definitely hates Rutgers. Where have you been for the last 15 years?

Clearly not paying attention.

"It his job!"

It's his job to be an absolute penis?

"Yes!"

 

[beaced]

Here is what I'd tell Wimsatt, if I could. And it would either help a lot.. or ruin him.

Gavin.. you are a Superstar.

Say it.. say "I am a superstar".

Say it again.. and again.. until you believe it.

And ACT like a superstar. When you walk out on the field... show your swag. The offense is yours. YOU are the most responsible for it.

When GS did not call a timeout after that late first half first down.. what would a superstar do? He'd call the timeout himself and take any heat for it from the coaches later. The timeout.. showing a desire to score before the half... that is what a superstar does. He shows faith in himself and his teammates to score before the half. And his teammates rally around him.

Yes, calling the timeout is what the coach should have done. Not calling a timeout INSULTS a superstar. You, Gavin, should feel insulted by it and let Nunzio and Greg know it. Calling a timeout yourself would have shown them how you felt. And if you did not feel insulted.. then you are not thinking of yourself as a superstar.

Gavin.. you are a superstar QB Rutgers desperately needs. A superstar who takes teh offense on his shoulders. Who doesn't worry about his failures because he will have rfar more success.. because he is a superstar.

Be the superstar... on the field.

Be a leader in the locker room.. a student in the classrooms. A good human being every place else. But when you strap on the helmet.. you are the superstar.

beaced LIKE "being a good human being" part.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Are other P5 CFB coaches known for attacking the Victory formation or is Greg alone or one of the few who consistently does it?

Any other HC’s in the B1G do it?

GS was barely known, POSITIVELY, for winning a college game like that.

GS became infamous for it while coaching Tampa Bay in the NFL.

No one other than Rutgers fans knew he had done that in college. And maybe fans of the team we beat. But everyone knows about him doing it in the NFL. For those reasons, I can, I think, safely assume that other college coaches have attacked the victory formation when one score would change things. We just don't know about it because they did not try it in the NFL.

BTW.. though it is a little different.. the Vikings just won a game by doing that. Yeah, teh math and situation was a bit different. The Vikings were down 4, I think maybe 1 min left. Got robbed on a TD being called short and then was short on 4th down leaving the ball at teh 1/2 yard line. No room to take the knee without giving up a safety (and that would give Minny the ball with a chance to win with a FG), Buffalo fumbled the snap and Minny recovered in the endzone for a TD. Buffalo had a miraculous drive to tie it with a FG but the Vikings won with an OT FG... so karma delivered for them.

But even if MInny needed a TD to tie.. and Buffalo was snapping from the 5 in victory formation, attacking it might be the best solution.. given they fumbled that snap.. means it is possible.

In GS TB victory formation attack.. I don't see why the Giants OL couldn't clearly SEE that TB was going to attack and take measures. Maybe, as a professional courtesy, the team doing that should voice the upcoming attack to the OL... tell them that they are coming.. En Garde!

 

[Caliknight]

The biggest issue is teams are in position to use the victory formation so often.

 

[RUBOB72]

Oh god. The "under 40s population" critics now?

How about this:
HC Schiano making a decision (run out the 1st half clock) and then refusing to adapt when the situation changes (MSU blows TOs, we get first downs) is teaching players to be stubborn and obtuse and refuse to change.
Life skills unfornatuely in abundance in our current group of over 40's population.

Yeah the UNDER 40 generations. Ask employers, teachers, Administrators ,or the average person on the street who has functioning brain . What he does with that philosophy is not to see players get hurt but never give up. So NickyRU 7/14 if that offends you and your age group … Well maybe take a good look around . Don’t blame past and older generations for guys like Schiano who have a different more controversial philosophy. You don’t like Schiano… I read most of your postings especially your opinions in his teams and how he directs. That’s your issue not anyone else’s .

 

[NickRU714]

Yeah the UNDER 40 generations. Ask employers, teachers, Administrators ,or the average person on the street who has functioning brain . What he does with that philosophy is not to see players get hurt but never give up. So NickyRU 7/14 if that offends you and your age group … Well maybe take a good look around . Don’t blame past and older generations for guys like Schiano who have a different more controversial philosophy. You don’t like Schiano… I read most of your postings especially your opinions in his teams and how he directs. That’s your issue not anyone else’s .

What are you talking about?
"Not to see players get hurt"?
So HC Schiano decided not to change mid-drive after we got 1st downs - because he didn't want players to get hurt? Going into halftime? But he did give up - which was fine to start the drive. But his players actually didn't give up and put him in a position to not give up. But he still gave up on the drive.

Funny you say I "don't like Schiano".
I couldn't care less about Greg Schiano.
What does "liking" Schiano have to do with anything.

However, HC Schiano? Yes, I think he is failing so far at Rutgers.
We are on pace to finish the season - again - as one of the worst offenses in the country.
Currently #127 out of #131 in PPG (14.8)
We just fired the OC.
No idea who the next OC will be or what philosophy they will employ.
I may be wrong, but I wouldn't expect the offense to substantially change for another 2-3 years under a new OC (needing to implement their system, terminology, plays, players who fit the system).

Just for reference
PPG Rankings:
2022: 14.8 (127)
2021: 17.6 (120)
2020: 26.7 (75) (with Ash recruits? Doesn't everyone give GS credit for Flood's first year?)
2019: 13.3 (129)
2018: 13.5 (130)
2017: 13.7 (127)
2016: 12.4 (128)

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-game?date=2022-11-15

 

[gtbb3115]

Then the refs should just call the game then for player safety. I get both sides of this one. I just put this one in the box labeled "more weird and inconsistent crap Coach does".

I know in HS the QB tells the refs that they are kneeling and the defense is directed not to rush in. Not sure if that's the case in college

 

[gtbb3115]

GS was barely known, POSITIVELY, for winning a college game like that.

GS became infamous for it while coaching Tampa Bay in the NFL.

No one other than Rutgers fans knew he had done that in college. And maybe fans of the team we beat. But everyone knows about him doing it in the NFL. For those reasons, I can, I think, safely assume that other college coaches have attacked the victory formation when one score would change things. We just don't know about it because they did not try it in the NFL.

BTW.. though it is a little different.. the Vikings just won a game by doing that. Yeah, teh math and situation was a bit different. The Vikings were down 4, I think maybe 1 min left. Got robbed on a TD being called short and then was short on 4th down leaving the ball at teh 1/2 yard line. No room to take the knee without giving up a safety (and that would give Minny the ball with a chance to win with a FG), Buffalo fumbled the snap and Minny recovered in the endzone for a TD. Buffalo had a miraculous drive to tie it with a FG but the Vikings won with an OT FG... so karma delivered for them.

But even if MInny needed a TD to tie.. and Buffalo was snapping from the 5 in victory formation, attacking it might be the best solution.. given they fumbled that snap.. means it is possible.

In GS TB victory formation attack.. I don't see why the Giants OL couldn't clearly SEE that TB was going to attack and take measures. Maybe, as a professional courtesy, the team doing that should voice the upcoming attack to the OL... tell them that they are coming.. En Garde!

1 yard line is different. Every team should attack in that situation. How often has a team attacked a victory formation outside the 10 yard line and recovered it?

 

[RUTGERS95]

Was stupid, he's stupid

 

[scarletbergen]

No Bob, that's not true. Today was textbook poor coaching. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Greg is being paid $4 million per year. Some of us donate a lot of money to the program and expect better.

Yeah, he deserves more and we are very lucky to have him. The guy lives, dies and bleeds scarlet.

 

[RUBOB72]

Was stupid, he's stupid

And just by your post… how stupid are you?

 

[retired711]

GS was barely known, POSITIVELY, for winning a college game like that.

GS became infamous for it while coaching Tampa Bay in the NFL.

No one other than Rutgers fans knew he had done that in college. And maybe fans of the team we beat. But everyone knows about him doing it in the NFL. For those reasons, I can, I think, safely assume that other college coaches have attacked the victory formation when one score would change things. We just don't know about it because they did not try it in the NFL.

BTW.. though it is a little different.. the Vikings just won a game by doing that. Yeah, teh math and situation was a bit different. The Vikings were down 4, I think maybe 1 min left. Got robbed on a TD being called short and then was short on 4th down leaving the ball at teh 1/2 yard line. No room to take the knee without giving up a safety (and that would give Minny the ball with a chance to win with a FG), Buffalo fumbled the snap and Minny recovered in the endzone for a TD. Buffalo had a miraculous drive to tie it with a FG but the Vikings won with an OT FG... so karma delivered for them.

But even if MInny needed a TD to tie.. and Buffalo was snapping from the 5 in victory formation, attacking it might be the best solution.. given they fumbled that snap.. means it is possible.

In GS TB victory formation attack.. I don't see why the Giants OL couldn't clearly SEE that TB was going to attack and take measures. Maybe, as a professional courtesy, the team doing that should voice the upcoming attack to the OL... tell them that they are coming.. En Garde!

What happened in the Minnesota-Buffalo game was more than "a little different." As I pointed out in my dialogue with another poster, Buffalo was not in a victory formation, so it has no applicability to what GS is doing.

 

[RutgersMO]

You play to the gun.

Tom Coughlin is an old douchebag and Mel Tucker is an unoriginal, thieving dipsh*t.

Hope Greg told him to F himself during the handshake which appeared less than cordial.

Hope he told Mother Tucker to go CHOP himself.

MO

 

[RUTGERS95]

And just by your post… how stupid are you?

Definitely not as stupid as greg or your defense of him so things looking up!

 

[Scarlet16E]

You play to the gun.

Tom Coughlin is an old douchebag and Mel Tucker is an unoriginal, thieving dipsh*t.

Hope Greg told him to F himself during the handshake which appeared less than cordial.

Mel Ticker will now take up blowing up the Victory formation as his thing.