Politi's take (not behind a paywall)

[njxchange]

people need to chill... It was his 5th year when he had first winning record and a bowl game. this time he needs to turn a program around in B1G. He is starting to recruit his players. pieces will fall into a place real soon...

Year	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Bowl/playoffs	Coaches#	AP°
Rutgers Scarlet Knights (Big East Conference) (2001–2011)
2001	Rutgers	2–9	0–7	8th
2002	Rutgers	1–11	0–7	8th
2003	Rutgers	5–7	2–5	7th
2004	Rutgers	4–7	1–5	6th
2005	Rutgers	7–5	4–3	3rd	L Insight
2006	Rutgers	11–2	5–2	T–2nd	W Texas	12	12
2007	Rutgers	8–5	3–4	T–5th	W International
2008	Rutgers	8–5	5–2	T–2nd	W Papajohns.com
2009	Rutgers	9–4	3–4	T–4th	W St. Petersburg
2010	Rutgers	4–8	1–6	8th
2011	Rutgers	9–4	4–3	T–4th	W Pinstripe
Rutgers (Big East):	68–67	28–48
Rutgers Scarlet Knights (Big Ten Conference) (2020–present)
2020	Rutgers	3–6	3–6	5th (East)
2021	Rutgers	5–8	2–7	6th (East)	L Gator
2022	Rutgers	4–6	1–6	(East)
Rutgers (Big Ten):	12–20	6–19
Total:	80–87

 

[RUBOB72]

Definitely not as stupid as greg or your defense of him so things looking up!

It’s not only my opinion . If you feel the urge to tell Greg personally face to face how stupid he is you can meet him on the Rutger‘s walk on Saturday afternoon. Highly doubt you have the balls to do that nor the coaching background as well. .Now to be fair you don’t have to be a coach to have an opinion. if you prefer watch today‘s pre game evaluation of our opponent .He explains it all and actually it is what I said yesterday and several times before this presser. You think you are an expert . Tell us where you coached, your playing career and why you think your opinion is the one that counts.

 

[17Q66]

You're right. He’s a friend.

Mike Francesa hates Rutgers.

Steve Politi is just a reporter and a columnist who covers our beat, and we frequently suck.

 

[RUBOB72]

Mike Francesa hates Rutgers.

Steve Politi is just a reporter and a columnist who covers our beat, and we frequently suck.

There are many people on this board who claim Rutgers as there alma mater and supposed fans who hate Rutgers…MANY and that is really sad.

 

[Knightmoves]

There are many people on this board who claim Rutgers as there alma mater and supposed fans who hate Rutgers…MANY and that is really sad.

Take it easy Bob. Messages on a fan board don’t affect team play. Try to enjoy the ride.

 

[17Q66]

I support trying to win at all times. But the game is effectively over when the other team can just snap the ball and down it and run out the clock that way. Which is why 99.999% of coaches don't do what GS does.

If he wants to win games, then coach better for the entire rest of the game.

The real irony here is that we're talking about the same guy who coached Eric LeGrand and helped change the kickoff rules after 2010 to prevent injuries in game situations where they were likely and unnecessary.

 

[RUBOB72]

Take it easy Bob. Messages on a fan board don’t affect team play. Try to enjoy the ride.

This is not about team play, Greg Schiano’s coaching chops…it’s about the UVA killings.If it doesn’t bother some here it is truly undeniably shameless .

 

[mdk01]

Mike Francesa hates Rutgers.

Steve Politi is just a reporter and a columnist who loves to stir shit and covers our beat, and we frequently suck.

Fify

 

[17Q66]

Fify

It was fine the way it was. "Columnist" and "loves to stir shit" are redundant.

Is there a columnist with whom you're familiar who doesn't seek to inflame passions or cause trouble?

 

[mdk01]

It was fine the way it was. "Columnist" and "loves to stir shit" are redundant.

Is there a columnist with whom you're familiar who doesn't seek to inflame passions or cause trouble?

Aditi and going back a ways Vinni Di Trani of The Record who covered the Giants

 

[Randal7]

It was fine the way it was. "Columnist" and "loves to stir shit" are redundant.

Is there a columnist with whom you're familiar who doesn't seek to inflame passions or cause trouble?

Uh. Ya. Frank Isola. Larry Brooks. Both guys don’t shit all over the metro team every opportunity they get

 

[Knight Shift]

What are you talking about?
"Not to see players get hurt"?
So HC Schiano decided not to change mid-drive after we got 1st downs - because he didn't want players to get hurt? Going into halftime? But he did give up - which was fine to start the drive. But his players actually didn't give up and put him in a position to not give up. But he still gave up on the drive.

Funny you say I "don't like Schiano".
I couldn't care less about Greg Schiano.
What does "liking" Schiano have to do with anything.

However, HC Schiano? Yes, I think he is failing so far at Rutgers.
We are on pace to finish the season - again - as one of the worst offenses in the country.
Currently #127 out of #131 in PPG (14.8)
We just fired the OC.
No idea who the next OC will be or what philosophy they will employ.
I may be wrong, but I wouldn't expect the offense to substantially change for another 2-3 years under a new OC (needing to implement their system, terminology, plays, players who fit the system).

Just for reference
PPG Rankings:
2022: 14.8 (127)
2021: 17.6 (120)
2020: 26.7 (75) (with Ash recruits? Doesn't everyone give GS credit for Flood's first year?)
2019: 13.3 (129)
2018: 13.5 (130)
2017: 13.7 (127)
2016: 12.4 (128)

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-game?date=2022-11-15

For the record, McNulty had RU at #42 in 2007-08 and #39 in 2008-09. Greg and John were a good combination!!!👍

 

[JRZEER]

Wrong …and he told everyone even in the NFL why. You play until the final whistle.

That’s all well and good, but don’t cry when a team hangs 28 pts on you in 4th quarter when already up 30. Teams will keep their foot on the pedal. It works both ways.

 

[Randal7]

Politi is despised by this fanbase, and he wants it that way. To the People defending him…get a grip.

 

[brgRC90]

There are many people on this board who claim Rutgers as there alma mater and supposed fans who hate Rutgers…MANY and that is really sad.

I don't see people hating Rutgers. Just disliking your Lord and Savior Saint Greg.

 

[Shelby65]

The real irony here is that we're talking about the same guy who coached Eric LeGrand and helped change the kickoff rules after 2010 to prevent injuries in game situations where they were likely and unnecessary

caring coach, absolutely. good coach, absolutely not. results speak volumes.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

What happened in the Minnesota-Buffalo game was more than "a little different." As I pointed out in my dialogue with another poster, Buffalo was not in a victory formation, so it has no applicability to what GS is doing.

Because taking a snap under center never causes fumbles. "no applicability", my ass. Do you think the Vikings would have defended a victory formation snap at the 5-yard line any differently?

GS had WON A 1-SCORE GAME by attacking the victory formation. Why should he stop doing it?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I don't see people hating Rutgers. Just disliking your Lord and Savior Saint Greg.

Not quite true.. there are people posting here pretending to be Rutgers fans but largely spread hate. Then the GS-critics who ARE actual Rutgers fans always find support and give support to those haters.

 

[retired711]

Because taking a snap under center never causes fumbles. "no applicability", my ass. Do you think the Vikings would have defended a victory formation snap at the 5-yard line any differently?

GS had WON A 1-SCORE GAME by attacking the victory formation. Why should he stop doing it?

I will not be as rude as you are, but simply point out again that Buffalo did not use a victory formation. We have no idea what the Vikings would have done if the snap had been at the 5. Buffalo would have used a victory formation only if there was no risk of a safety. If there were no risk, then the Vikings would probably have done what teams usually do when the other team runs a victory formation: that is, nothing.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I will not be as rude as you are, but simply point out again that Buffalo did not use a victory formation. We have no idea what the Vikings would have done if the snap had been at the 5. Buffalo would have used a victory formation only if there was no risk of a safety. If there were no risk, then the Vikings would probably have done what teams usually do when the other team runs a victory formation: that is, nothing.

It does not matter.. it was a QB sneak formation.. same thing. Real tight. But Minnesota had to be attacking or they would not have gotten that fumble. You think the Vikings would have surrendered had the ball been at the 5 and I think they should not have done so. Guess we'll never know.

 

[Scarlet16E]

All this talk of avoiding injuries is nonsense.

The entire point of the victory formation is to minimize the chances of losing possession if god forbid the ball is fumbled before the QB can take the snap and go to his knee.

Since that is the objective of the offense, then of course the defense should make every effort to gain possession by causing said fumble.
Odds are against it but so what.

In a one possession game, this is the only way to play IMO.

 

[retired711]

It does not matter.. it was a QB sneak formation.. same thing. Real tight. But Minnesota had to be attacking or they would not have gotten that fumble. You think the Vikings would have surrendered had the ball been at the 5 and I think they should not have done so. Guess we'll never know.

Yes, we'll never know. I think Minnesota would have acted no differently than if the ball had been at any other point of the field. n The point is that what happened in that game is not evidence that a victory formation would have been attacked -- because Buffalo never went into a victory formation. Even if it had been attacked, that would only have been because the ball was so close to the goal line --and so whatever happened wouldn't tell us anything about what teams do in general.

 

[brgRC90]

Not quite true.. there are people posting here pretending to be Rutgers fans but largely spread hate. Then the GS-critics who ARE actual Rutgers fans always find support and give support to those haters.

The people I see who hate Rutgers by attacking the administration, the athletic department, the facilities and alumni who allegedly don't give enough money as well as New Jersey in general are usually people claiming to be "real fans." They'll attack everything but the coach in order to defend his falling short. If the team isn't winning it's not the head coach's fault! It's because Rutgers is so bad nobody else wants to to coach here and the coach gets no support. That's hating Rutgers.

 

[REDRICH65]

Wait until we are ahead at the end of a game and opposing coach crashes our kneeling QB. Oh I forgot we are never in that position

 

[RutgersMO]

I don't see people hating Rutgers. Just disliking your Lord and Savior Saint Greg.

Isn't that like saying you don't hate Christians, but don't believe in JC?

Hey, and I'm Jewish....some of my best friends are named Greg or Gary.

MO

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Yes, we'll never know. I think Minnesota would have acted no differently than if the ball had been at any other point of the field. n The point is that what happened in that game is not evidence that a victory formation would have been attacked -- because Buffalo never went into a victory formation. Even if it had been attacked, that would only have been because the ball was so close to the goal line --and so whatever happened wouldn't tell us anything about what teams do in general.

What I am saying, using teh Vikings game as an example.. is that if a fumbled snap under pressure gives you even a 1 in a 1000 chance to get the ball and that might lead to a win.. you take that chance.

A 2012 analysis of offensive fumbles.. over 18% of which are snap exchange fumbles. Of that 18%, about 20% of that results in defensive possession... so, overall, about 3.6% of offensive fumbles are snap issues where the D recovers.

And that is NFL games.. the best, most-practiced QBs and Centers. Colelge would likely show higher rates all-around.

The average fumbles per game in the NFL is about 1 per game. And there's about 64 snaps per game (link).

So, that means on any given play there's about a 1 in 2000 chance for teh defense to recover a bad snap... and almost 3 in 100 chance for there to be a fumbled snap.

And that's in the NFL. In college, likely much better chances all-the-way-around.

So, yeah, if one score can make a difference, play to the whistle. Attack the snap as if it will be fumbled.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

See my post above. In a high school game in 2018. But as I said, playing more aggressively (and/or at least managing the clock better) is a better chance for success than crashing the victory formation. If the philosophy is to "play" the game for a full 60 minutes, then why not do the same on offense?

I don’t necessarily agree with the calls that were made either but the philosophy on offense and defense is very different. At the end of the first half, there would’ve been a very real risk of our turnover prone WB throwing a pick 6 so the preference was to go into the locker room down only 7. With the victory formation play at the end of the game, there nothing to lose in trying to force a fumble other than possible injury which isn’t different from any other football play.

 

[Knight Shift]

I don’t necessarily agree with the calls that were made either but the philosophy on offense and defense is very different. At the end of the first half, there would’ve been a very real risk of our turnover prone WB throwing a pick 6 so the preference was to go into the locker room down only 7. With the victory formation play at the end of the game, there nothing to lose in trying to force a fumble other than possible injury which isn’t different from any other football play.

That is a fair point.

 

[Randal7]

Uh. Ya. Frank Isola. Larry Brooks. Both guys don’t shit all over the metro team every opportunity they get

In true message board form, my response will be ignored…

 

[BigRnj]

It’s not only my opinion . If you feel the urge to tell Greg personally face to face how stupid he is you can meet him on the Rutger‘s walk on Saturday afternoon. Highly doubt you have the balls to do that nor the coaching background as well. .Now to be fair you don’t have to be a coach to have an opinion. if you prefer watch today‘s pre game evaluation of our opponent .He explains it all and actually it is what I said yesterday and several times before this presser. You think you are an expert . Tell us where you coached, your playing career and why you think your opinion is the one that counts.

Bob you have thrown around the “you have never played/coached thing” a few times … how about you share your playing and coaching experience, it might give you the credibility you seem to be searching for? Or maybe not?

 

[RUBOB72]

More experience than probably 80% of this board. Played above the high school level in baseball . I have said many times everyone should be able to voice disagreements . The fact that some fully support Greg Schiano and others do not is fine even with me. If he fails it won’t be because of him not putting forth the effort. Oh lastly , one does not have to have coaching experience to understand why this was no easy rebuild for Rutgers. There are many of our Rutgers fans, alums who want him to succeed and for Rutgers to be successful . In year 3 we still have the same posters telling readers here how bad he is, his recruiting , some of his staff, how dumb he is. I guess dumb enough that educated people gave him a 6-7 year 4 million per year $$$$ deal. I’m not sorry to show my faith in the guy. I’m not happy about some decisions he makes and that is similar to the daily things in life which is most important I would think.

 

[RUBOB72]

Bob you have thrown around the “you have never played/coached thing” a few times … how about you share your playing and coaching experience, it might give you the credibility you seem to be searching for? Or maybe not?

I forgot one important thing.I don’t need credibility .I received credibility a long time ago.