Poll: Time for the late October "Which Coach" poll
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You forget pretend to conduct thorough search and hire schiano
You could search for years and never come up with someone better than Schiano. Who else can come into an interview and say "I know I can turn around this team and make them relevant. I've done it before." Even if you got someone who did a great job turning a team around, they haven't done it at Rutgers.
How about just hire the BEST coach.
Anyone can say "I know I can turn this team around and make them relevant", and it could all be bluster (even coming from Schiano).
Only Schiano can say "I've done it before", but it was under dramatically different circumstances. It's like someone saying they can win a Gubernatorial election because two decades ago they won a Mayoral election in that same state - yes, that experience is valuable, but it's not an apples to apples comparison. The competition level in the 2020 Big Ten East is massively different than it was in the 2001-05 Big East.
Really don't have to look much farther than McNulty.... some were hailing him as the architect of our offensive success in 2006/07 and thought he'd be the difference maker in 2018. Different circumstances, different outcomes.
That's not to say Schiano would fail here if rehired, but there's no guarantee he'd succeed either. He's got a much longer list of both pros and cons than other candidates I've seen, just because of our familiarity with his career path.
At one time, The Big East Conference was as good as any other conference. Up until 2004, Miami and Virginia Tech were in it and very good at the time. And Rutgers doesn't just play teams in the Big Ten East, they play teams in the west as well. You could say Schiano was already successful in the Big Ten. Our first year in the Big Ten, we went 8-5, beat Michigan, went to a bowl and dominated UNC. That was because of Sciano's players he recruited and developed. Rutgers never would have done that if Schiano wasn't there the years prior. Imagine if he was on the field.
Let's face it, Rutgers is in a unique position. It isn't just like any other program. It takes someone special to come here and make progress. Schiano had that magic formula.
I'm going to guess it's going to be a while before there's any announcement. With no inside info at all I'm saying sometime after the OSU game with the possibility of not until the day after PSU.
At one time.... which is to say in 2001. From 2002-2003, the Big East doesn't really compare well to the current B1G, and from 2004 on there's zero comparison.
In 2001, the Big East had a really strong year in Schiano's first season. There were two Top 10 massey teams (1 Miami/5 Cuse), and two more in the Top 25 (16 BC/17 VTech).
From 2002-2003, the only team ranked better than 20th was Miami. In 2002, there were three other Top 25 teams (20 Pitt, 22 BC, 24 VTech), and in 2003, the next best team was 33rd (BC). In 2004, the best team in the conference was BC at #25.
By comparison, there are currently 6 B1G teams in the massey Top 20. Last year, 5 finished in the Top 25, and the year before 6 did.
Also keep in mind that from 2001-2003, we only played 7 conference games, and in 2004 we only played 6.... vs. the 9 we play today.
Today's B1G East is a completely different beast than what we faced when Schiano built up the program from 2001-2005.
Hobs and the Search firm he hired just came out with this statement about looking for Ash's replacement
The search never started if it is already over unless every coach currently working refused to talk to Ventura Partners regarding the opening at RU.
Hiring Schiano without conducting a legitimate search would be so Rutgers. I will thank the Athletic Department for freeing up my Saturdays because I will be as committed going forward as they are.
FWIW: I was one of the 17.6% at the time of my voting who selected, "Conduct a thorough search. I prefer someone other than Schiano, but would be content with Schiano." I still believe he is a Plan B type candidate because I believe he will run a clean program, will do well recruiting, while being a mediocre coach who will consistently win 5--7 games per year after year 4.
Cult-"like"????
I would bet that, being told to "drink this Kool-Aid and it will bring you closer to Schiano", about 90% of the followers on this board would give it a shot.
So, looks like about 45% are in the "Schiano or Bust" category, and 55% want to at least explore other options.
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So much for the claim that these people are on the fringe. 48% are either "Hire Schiano now" or "Conduct a thorough search. But hiring Schiano is the only choice I will be content with"
Not on the fringe, but not the majority either. And this is among highly involved fans who take time to post/vote on message boards... less involved fans likely have similarly less strong feelings one way or the other.
The "schiano or bust" crowd is definitely much larger than the "anyone but schiano" crowd.... but it's about the same size as the group that would be okay with schiano or someone else as long as there was a thorough search.
I’m telling ya’ll schiano would be a horrible move for multiple reasons. For one the guy has done nothing in the last decade to warrant a HC opportunity, (please do not say he was osu’s DC, so was Ash). But more than that he represents many of our fans ‘last hope’ meaning they believe he is the only person in the planet that can do the job.... meanwhile what if he comes here and fails like he is likely to do, then what? Then all the hope goes away, if the one guy that people think can do the job fails than what does that mean for the future of Rutgers football? Just shut it down?
min not interested in a guy who hasn’t been a HC in almost a decade and the last time he was one he was the biggest laughingstock in the league (he was a total embarrassment in Tampa, no other way to put it).
meanwhile about 200 miles to the south there’s a HC with a proven track record of taking underperforming programs, changing the culture and turning them into champions, this coach would also take the Rutgers job (which I believe is a harder sell than most believe), I think it would be extremely difficult to get a ‘name’ coach besides schiano (again there’s a reason he’s still available).
our hire should be Mike Houston whose currently at ECU. He’s passionate, energetic and exactly what we need.
min not interested in a guy who hasn’t been a HC in almost a decade and the last time he was one he was the biggest laughingstock in the league (he was a total embarrassment in Tampa, no other way to put it).
meanwhile about 200 miles to the south there’s a HC with a proven track record of taking underperforming programs, changing the culture and turning them into champions, this coach would also take the Rutgers job (which I believe is a harder sell than most believe), I think it would be extremely difficult to get a ‘name’ coach besides schiano (again there’s a reason he’s still available).
our hire should be Mike Houston whose currently at ECU. He’s passionate, energetic and exactly what we need.
I had to google to find out who he is. So that's one problem for me right there. Cause a lot of other people would also. So not exactly a name that moves the needle. Another is I'm not sure he's ready for this level. Needs to be better than 3-4 in his 1st step up before I'm ready to say he is.
This poll is basically the OP throwing raw meat to the Schinao Cult.
Didn’t RU hire Eddie Jordan under similar circumstances? He was courted to be the Messiah of RU MBB in the same way that Greg is being evaluated now. RU fans were so tired of losing that we just threw the keys to Eddie and said please fix it. Eddie fixed it alright, ha!
Oh its pretty easy to come up with someone better than Schiano. But it would cost much more than Rutgers would ever be willing to pay.
So, what I keep seeing is that it can only be Schiano, because the school wont pay enough to get someone better, and anyone better would never come anyway.
So what does that tell you about Schiano? They guy who you all think will come cheap and take a job no one else wants? Kind of seems like maybe he isn't all that great. If he was, he would have a job. For me, I think the school is fixing to overpay for Schiano in a big way. He was never shy about squeezing more money out of Rutgers. And we will have our awesome fan base to thank for that...they are putting the AD in an impossible position.
So what does that tell you about Schiano? They guy who you all think will come cheap and take a job no one else wants? Kind of seems like maybe he isn't all that great. If he was, he would have a job. For me, I think the school is fixing to overpay for Schiano in a big way. He was never shy about squeezing more money out of Rutgers. And we will have our awesome fan base to thank for that...they are putting the AD in an impossible position.
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Could be, but I don’t think it’s moving that fast. I’d still like to see what the HC competition is...
He had a job with the Pats. Left it. Maybe, just maybe he gave it up to finish what he started here. Almost twenty years ago. Another month or so, and we'll find out. We could do a lot worse.
For fans that can't recognize the accomplishments of his teams and how far they came. The way they represented the Rutgers community. I really don't think those fans deserved what they got.
We were a hapless program. Mulcahy and Schiano brought us into the 21st century. Weve been going backwards ever since he left. I think Pat Hobbs will get us back on track. Hopefully Schiano is the guy. Only time will tell.
That proportion seems to be holding. But about 6% of the Schiano or Bust group want to conduct a thorough search. (I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they want a thorough search to validate Schiano as the right choice, vs pretending to do a search and anointing Schiano.)
So you have just over 60% who want a thorough search and just under 39% who want to hire Schiano without a search (and 1% who want to hire someone else without a search).
I keep hearing this but not 1 of you can provide a direct quote from Greg that said I quit the Pats to be HC at R.
It fits the narrative so let’s keep saying it.
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Old Cabbage said “he didn’t have a job” I said he did have a job. He left there hopefully to come here.I also said “time will tell”.
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