POLL: You have to give to give $1M to RU NIL or to GS buyout

[Morrischiano]

For the purposes of this poll, you have to decide on a hypothetical.:

You are the executor of a will of a lifelong RU donor. He has given you the choice to allocate $1 Million of his/her estate to one of two places:

-A RU NIL collective for RU football
-Towards the buyout of Greg Schiano's contract so that RU can terminate him. This $1M will ensure that the remaining buyout amount is fullfilled. Without it, he will not be terminated in 2024, 2025 or 2026.

You must donate the entire amount to one of the causes.

What is your choice?

 

[Plum Street]

For the purposes of this poll, you have to decide on a hypothetical.:

You are the executor of a will of a lifelong RU donor. He has given you the choice to allocate $1 Million of his/her estate to one of two places:

-A RU NIL collective for RU football
-Towards the buyout of Greg Schiano's contract so that RU can terminate him. This $1M will ensure that the remaining buyout amount is fullfilled. Without it, he will not be terminated in 2024, 2025 or 2026.

You must donate the entire amount to one of the causes.

What is your choice?

Option 1 donate to the NIL

I don’t think schiano should be fired. Even if I did , I don’t trust Rutgers to hire someone better . The proof over the past 40 years is Schiano is good as we are gonna do until proven otherwise.

 

[ru109]

Option 1 donate to the NIL

I don’t think schiano should be fired. Even if I did , I don’t trust Rutgers to hire someone better . The proof over the past 40 years is Schiano is good as we are gonna do until proven otherwise.

This. Unless our budget for a new coach and staff is like $15 million Schiano might be the best we can do.

 

[NickRU714]

Option 1 donate to the NIL

I don’t think schiano should be fired. Even if I did , I don’t trust Rutgers to hire someone better . The proof over the past 40 years is Schiano is good as we are gonna do until proven otherwise.

The proof:
1. An emergency rushed OL coach to save a recruiting class (because HC Schiano bailed on Rutgers so late)
2. A career defensive coach who had never run an offense.

Not exactly compelling proof.

Also, you do know in order to be "proven otherwise" you have to make the change first and await the results.
Otherwise it would be never be proven......

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Here's something tangentially related to consider...

You know that old thing about coaches needing roll-over extensions so they can tell recruits they will coach them their whole time at the school? Well, since players no longer make that same commitment.. why should schools?

If we had to replace GS, I'd say we take a completely different angle and try to find the next young star coach and offer only a 3-year contract (low-end money with huge bonuses based on goals) with OUR OPTION for a 4th and 5th year. Yes.. it means taking risks because the "sure thing" coaching candidate would never go for such a deal. And it gives us freedom to take another swing at it in 3 years.

Take the salary savings and apply it to the program in NIL or fieldhouse or whatever. And when we find a star pony-up to keep him here.

 

[Plum Street]

The proof:
1. An emergency rushed OL coach to save a recruiting class (because HC Schiano bailed on Rutgers so late)
2. A career defensive coach who had never run an offense.

Not exactly compelling proof.

Also, you do know in order to be "proven otherwise" you have to make the change first and await the results.
Otherwise it would be never be proven......

And the years before that…

 

[Plum Street]

Here's something tangentially related to consider...

You know that old thing about coaches needing roll-over extensions so they can tell recruits they will coach them their whole time at the school? Well, since players no longer make that same commitment.. why should schools?

If we had to replace GS, I'd say we take a completely different angle and try to find the next young star coach and offer only a 3-year contract (low-end money with huge bonuses based on goals) with OUR OPTION for a 4th and 5th year. Yes.. it means taking risks because the "sure thing" coaching candidate would never go for such a deal. And it gives us freedom to take another swing at it in 3 years.

Take the salary savings and apply it to the program in NIL or fieldhouse or whatever. And when we find a star pony-up to keep him here.

Absolutely not.
Hire a successful college HC.
We should be done screwing around with average assistants

 

[NickRU714]

And the years before that…

Rutgers (or any team) coaches in the 80s and 90s have zero relevance to today.

The irony of people constantly bring up pre-GS 1.0 coaches is that other fanbases are routinely mocked on here (rightly btw) for thinking success back then has any modern day relevance.
Same applies to the failures from then.

 

[noble106]

Why do I feel like all the votes to buyout GS were from Shelby.

 

[mildone]

Give GS a full 2 deep of great players on par with the top 1/4 of the Big Ten, and he can coach well enough to get the team into the top 1/4 of Big Ten results each season. He might need a better OC though.

I do not think GS is a very good game day coach. But his conservative approach to offense is based on the team’s ability to score in big chunks (which is almost non-existent). If he had a really good QB, and really good OL, and really good WRs, he would be less conservative.

I do not think he could win a big ten championship, though. Not unless all kinds of great luck occurred for that season. He’d be out coached for that, IMO.

However, without NIL and many great players, no coach is going to regularly win enough big ten games to even get into the top half every season.

So NIL is clearly the logical choice.

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

I'm usually very mild mannered and respect people's opinions, but am I the first person to think that this is a pointless post? We just beat Miami in a bowl last year. The team was 4-0 before the defense was decimated by key injuries. Florida State and USC hired top shelf coaches, and look at where they are now. I'm really disappointed about the team this year, but the situation is what it is. Unless Schiano goes 0-11 next year, I don't think that we are in any position to be replacing our head coach anytime soon.

 

[mdk01]

Here's something tangentially related to consider...

You know that old thing about coaches needing roll-over extensions so they can tell recruits they will coach them their whole time at the school? Well, since players no longer make that same commitment.. why should schools?

If we had to replace GS, I'd say we take a completely different angle and try to find the next young star coach and offer only a 3-year contract (low-end money with huge bonuses based on goals) with OUR OPTION for a 4th and 5th year. Yes.. it means taking risks because the "sure thing" coaching candidate would never go for such a deal. And it gives us freedom to take another swing at it in 3 years.

Take the salary savings and apply it to the program in NIL or fieldhouse or whatever. And when we find a star pony-up to keep him here.

A young next star is going to want a very low bar for those big bonuses if he only has a 3 year deal.

 

[mdk01]

Give GS a full 2 deep of great players on par with the top 1/4 of the Big Ten, and he can coach well enough to get the team into the top 1/4 of Big Ten results each season. He might need a better OC though.

I do not think GS is a very good game day coach. But his conservative approach to offense is based on the team’s ability to score in big chunks (which is almost non-existent). If he had a really good QB, and really good OL, and really good WRs, he would be less conservative.

I do not think he could win a big ten championship, though. Not unless all kinds of great luck occurred for that season. He’d be out coached for that, IMO.

However, without NIL and many great players, no coach is going to regularly win enough big ten games to even get into the top half every season.

So NIL is clearly the logical choice.

He had those things in 2006 and the offense was more wide open

 

[TRU2RU]

Dumbest poll of the year contender

 

[mildone]

He had those things in 2006 and the offense was more wide open

I would say that the QB was a good game manager, but not a really good QB. Some very good WRs and a strong OL. And an elite RB. The offense was more wide open, though, I agree about that.

 

[RUbacker]

Here's something tangentially related to consider...

You know that old thing about coaches needing roll-over extensions so they can tell recruits they will coach them their whole time at the school? Well, since players no longer make that same commitment.. why should schools?

If we had to replace GS, I'd say we take a completely different angle and try to find the next young star coach and offer only a 3-year contract (low-end money with huge bonuses based on goals) with OUR OPTION for a 4th and 5th year. Yes.. it means taking risks because the "sure thing" coaching candidate would never go for such a deal. And it gives us freedom to take another swing at it in 3 years.

Take the salary savings and apply it to the program in NIL or fieldhouse or whatever. And when we find a star pony-up to keep him here.

Wtf?

 

[mdk01]

I would say that the QB was a good game manager, but not a really good QB. Some very good WRs and a strong OL. And an elite RB. The offense was more wide open, though, I agree about that.

And 2 solid TEs

 

[DJ Spanky]

 

[Randal7]

Give GS a full 2 deep of great players on par with the top 1/4 of the Big Ten, and he can coach well enough to get the team into the top 1/4 of Big Ten results each season. He might need a better OC though.

I do not think GS is a very good game day coach. But his conservative approach to offense is based on the team’s ability to score in big chunks (which is almost non-existent). If he had a really good QB, and really good OL, and really good WRs, he would be less conservative.

I do not think he could win a big ten championship, though. Not unless all kinds of great luck occurred for that season. He’d be out coached for that, IMO.

However, without NIL and many great players, no coach is going to regularly win enough big ten games to even get into the top half every season.

So NIL is clearly the logical choice.

This is well structured and stated. Schiano isn’t going to win championships but he is going to make the product “respectable”. But even he, at this pt, needs more horses now. Which I can appreciate and accept

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Depends who we have lined up for a new coach
If it's a retred or unproven young guy, then NIL
If it's a Matt Campbell type, then buyout

 

[Knight Shift]

Here's something tangentially related to consider...

You know that old thing about coaches needing roll-over extensions so they can tell recruits they will coach them their whole time at the school? Well, since players no longer make that same commitment.. why should schools?

If we had to replace GS, I'd say we take a completely different angle and try to find the next young star coach and offer only a 3-year contract (low-end money with huge bonuses based on goals) with OUR OPTION for a 4th and 5th year. Yes.. it means taking risks because the "sure thing" coaching candidate would never go for such a deal. And it gives us freedom to take another swing at it in 3 years.

Take the salary savings and apply it to the program in NIL or fieldhouse or whatever. And when we find a star pony-up to keep him here.

@rutgersguy1 and I have advocated something similar before. ADs are like lemmings though and get rolled by agents regularly with stupid contracts. Any coach with a set of balls and confidence would go for something like this?

Base salary $4M. For every win greater than 5 or 6 wins, you get a $1M bonus. 10 wins, you get $9M. 12 wins, $11M. Further bonuses for advancing in CFP.

Depends who we have lined up for a new coach
If it's a retred or unproven young guy, then NIL
If it's a Matt Campbell type, then buyout

Don't get all the love for Matt Campbell. One 9-3 season in 8 years. 2021 and 2022 seasons would have Rutgers fans screaming for firing. Having a good year this year, which makes the point

2016	Iowa State	3–9	2–7	9th
2017	Iowa State	8–5	5–4	T–4th	W Liberty
2018	Iowa State	8–5	6–3	T–3rd	L Alamo
2019	Iowa State	7–6	5–4	T–3rd	L Camping World
2020	Iowa State	9–3	8–1	1st	W Fiesta†	9	9
2021	Iowa State	7–6	5–4	4th	L Cheez-It
2022	Iowa State	4–8	1–8	10th
2023	Iowa State	7–6	6–3	T–4th	L Liberty
2024	Iowa State	7–1	4–1
Iowa State:	60–49	42–35

 

[RUforlife]

How did Greg do in the pros? What makes anybody think he is going do any better as the college game moves more and more towards professionalism? If you can afford to give $1 million chances are you can afford to give $2 million, $1 million for the buyout and $1 million for NIL.

 

[rutgersguy1]

@rutgersguy1 and I have advocated something similar before. ADs are like lemmings though and get rolled by agents regularly with stupid contracts. Any coach with a set of balls and confidence would go for something like this?

Base salary $4M. For every win greater than 5 or 6 wins, you get a $1M bonus. 10 wins, you get $9M. 12 wins, $11M. Further bonuses for advancing in CFP.



Don't get all the love for Matt Campbell. One 9-3 season in 8 years. 2021 and 2022 seasons would have Rutgers fans screaming for firing. Having a good year this year, which makes the point

2016	Iowa State	3–9	2–7	9th
2017	Iowa State	8–5	5–4	T–4th	W Liberty
2018	Iowa State	8–5	6–3	T–3rd	L Alamo
2019	Iowa State	7–6	5–4	T–3rd	L Camping World
2020	Iowa State	9–3	8–1	1st	W Fiesta†	9	9
2021	Iowa State	7–6	5–4	4th	L Cheez-It
2022	Iowa State	4–8	1–8	10th
2023	Iowa State	7–6	6–3	T–4th	L Liberty
2024	Iowa State	7–1	4–1
Iowa State:	60–49	42–35

I actually think Campbell has done a good job at ISU. That's actually a picture of mediocrity or somewhat better as opposed to other instances of people mentioning mediocrity.

But it's ISU and look at their history if they've had any other run as close to that as Campbell has had at ISU and certainly not with his longevity and consistency. Consistent mediocrity or slightly better is about the most you can expect at ISU and then he's got 1 (maybe 2 depending on this year) special year.

He's been there 9 years, 2 years below .500 (his first year and a couple years ago). Every other year, at least 7 wins and above .500 in conference (conference record is always an important metric imo, majority of the schedule is that). 1 special year finishing in the top 10 and he's beaten OU (a bunch of close misses though) and Texas IIRC. I think that's a pretty good job at ISU.

I thought he'd be a decent choice for UW and think he could be a good choice for a B10 school. He makes 4M/yr too which isn't a lot by today's standards lol.

 

[rutgersal]

@rutgersguy1 and I have advocated something similar before. ADs are like lemmings though and get rolled by agents regularly with stupid contracts. Any coach with a set of balls and confidence would go for something like this?

Base salary $4M. For every win greater than 5 or 6 wins, you get a $1M bonus. 10 wins, you get $9M. 12 wins, $11M. Further bonuses for advancing in CFP.



Don't get all the love for Matt Campbell. One 9-3 season in 8 years. 2021 and 2022 seasons would have Rutgers fans screaming for firing. Having a good year this year, which makes the point

2016	Iowa State	3–9	2–7	9th
2017	Iowa State	8–5	5–4	T–4th	W Liberty
2018	Iowa State	8–5	6–3	T–3rd	L Alamo
2019	Iowa State	7–6	5–4	T–3rd	L Camping World
2020	Iowa State	9–3	8–1	1st	W Fiesta†	9	9
2021	Iowa State	7–6	5–4	4th	L Cheez-It
2022	Iowa State	4–8	1–8	10th
2023	Iowa State	7–6	6–3	T–4th	L Liberty
2024	Iowa State	7–1	4–1
Iowa State:	60–49	42–35

For a coach to agree to a variable win contract, you would need a Fieldhouse and $15M in NIL support. Otherwise he would never have a chance to hit the top win targets.

 

[Knight Shift]

For a coach to agree to a variable win contract, you would need a Fieldhouse and $15M in NIL support. Otherwise he would never have a chance to hit the top win targets.

Umm, no.

 

[rutgersal]

Umm, no.

Then no sale

 

[rutgersguy1]

Here's something tangentially related to consider...

You know that old thing about coaches needing roll-over extensions so they can tell recruits they will coach them their whole time at the school? Well, since players no longer make that same commitment.. why should schools?

If we had to replace GS, I'd say we take a completely different angle and try to find the next young star coach and offer only a 3-year contract (low-end money with huge bonuses based on goals) with OUR OPTION for a 4th and 5th year. Yes.. it means taking risks because the "sure thing" coaching candidate would never go for such a deal. And it gives us freedom to take another swing at it in 3 years.

Take the salary savings and apply it to the program in NIL or fieldhouse or whatever. And when we find a star pony-up to keep him here.

4-5 yr contracts used to be the norm, now for some crazy reason (Fisher's was the first 10 yr deal IIRC) ADs decided to follow A&M's stupidity and started giving out longer contracts. 7-10 year deals are not an aberration anymore.

I'd just do a 4-5 yr deal and let it run down to as low as 2. Players leave and change and coaches leave too (so what are you actually getting for the long term deals, except being on the hook for them) so keep it manageable so you're not locked in when you don't want to be.

There are always quality, worth of a shot candidates out there be they G5/FCS, coordinators or retreads who will take these multimillion dollar jobs. ADs act is if they have no leverage. You may not get the hottest name out there but it doesn't mean you can't get a suitable worthy one. In the end, hot candidate or not, it's always a crap shoot so why bet the farm on any particular person if his name isn't Saban lol.

 

[mildone]

For a coach to agree to a variable win contract, you would need a Fieldhouse and $15M in NIL support. Otherwise he would never have a chance to hit the top win targets.

NIL yes. No proven experienced head coach would take the RUFB on those terms without tons of NIL support.

Your fieldhouse narrative is totally wrong. That's so far down the list of priorities that it's a joke that you keep bringing it up. Any money that could be spent on a fieldhouse should be diverted to NIL right now. Because no HS kid or transfer athlete considering RUFB at all is going to say: "The $1M in NIL funding is great, but never without a new fieldhouse". And any coach worth hiring knows this.

You might consider sticking your fieldhouse narrative into a drawer until NIL funding is in place, revenue-sharing is figured out and in place, and we have a coach staff with a proven track record of winning against tough competition.

 

[Knight Shift]

I actually think Campbell has done a good job at ISU. That's actually a picture of mediocrity or somewhat better as opposed to other instances of people mentioning mediocrity.

But it's ISU and look at their history if they've had any other run as close to that as Campbell has had at ISU and certainly not with his longevity and consistency. Consistent mediocrity or slightly better is about the most you can expect at ISU and then he's got 1 (maybe 2 depending on this year) special year.

He's been there 9 years, 2 years below .500 (his first year and a couple years ago). Every other year, at least 7 wins and above .500 in conference (conference record is always an important metric imo, majority of the schedule is that). 1 special year finishing in the top 10 and he's beaten OU (a bunch of close misses though) and Texas IIRC. I think that's a pretty good job at ISU.

I thought he'd be a decent choice for UW and think he could be a good choice for a B10 school. He makes 4M/yr too which isn't a lot by today's standards lol.

A few thoughts since you mentioned UW.

Then, how do you compare Greg Schiano to Matt Campbell. About the same, or is one better. Let's look at GS 1.0 and assume (a dangerous word on the internet, LOL) that GS 2.0 goes on the same trajectory as 1.0. Here is a look at 2004-2011:

2004	Rutgers	4–7	1–5	6th
2005	Rutgers	7–5	4–3	3rd	L Insight
2006	Rutgers	11–2	5–2	T–2nd	W Texas	12	12
2007	Rutgers	8–5	3–4	T–5th	W International
2008	Rutgers	8–5	5–2	T–2nd	W Papajohns.com
2009	Rutgers	9–4	3–4	T–4th	W St. Petersburg
2010	Rutgers	4–8	1–6	8th
2011	Rutgers	9–4	4–3	T–4th	W Pinstripe

Pretty darn good, and very similar to Campbell?

Also, in a thread on X yesterday about firing James Franklin (which is ludicrous), UW and Fickell vs. Paul Chryst and possibly firer/buyer remorse?

First Chryst:

2015	Wisconsin	10–3	6–2	T–2nd (West)	W Holiday	21	21
2016	Wisconsin	11–3	7–2	1st (West)	W Cotton†	9	9
2017	Wisconsin	13–1	9–0	1st (West)	W Orange†	6	7
2018	Wisconsin	8–5	5–4	T–2nd (West)	W Pinstripe
2019	Wisconsin	10–4	7–2	T–1st (West)	L Rose†	13	11
2020	Wisconsin	4–3	3–3	3rd (West)	W Duke's Mayo
2021	Wisconsin	9–4	6–3	T–2nd (West)	W Las Vegas
2022	Wisconsin	2–3https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Chryst#cite_note-12

Now Fickell (and its early)- not exactly lighting the world on fire, is he? With Oregon on the schedule, he is at best 7-5/5-4, and possibly worse.

2023	Wisconsin	7–6	5–4	T–2nd (West)	L ReliaQuest
2024	Wisconsin	5–4	3–3

Why hasn't Chryst been hired? He's doing nothing in football right now, it seems. He was apparently fired for "good reasons," but we shall see how long of a leash Fickell gets.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3661745/2022/10/06/paul-chryst-fired-wisconsin-jim-leonhard/

Five potential next steps for former Wisconsin head coach Paul Chryst

Five potential next steps for former Wisconsin head coach Paul Chryst

badgerswire.usatoday.com

 

[megadrone]

The proof:
1. An emergency rushed OL coach to save a recruiting class (because HC Schiano bailed on Rutgers so late)
2. A career defensive coach who had never run an offense.

Not exactly compelling proof.

Also, you do know in order to be "proven otherwise" you have to make the change first and await the results.
Otherwise it would be never be proven......

Graber and Anderson were both good coaches. Either of them would have succeeded here with the support that Schiano has and Mulcahy gave him.

Shea and Ash were terrible hires. Flood shouldn't have been made permanent but the administration was going cheap and the desired target (Cristobal) didn't want to come here/turned us down. Flood was a step away from getting fired in 2013 then had a decent year in 2014. Was that the year that the class he was hired to save was seniors? Or was that 2015?

 

[rutgersguy1]

A few thoughts since you mentioned UW.

Then, how do you compare Greg Schiano to Matt Campbell. About the same, or is one better. Let's look at GS 1.0 and assume (a dangerous word on the internet, LOL) that GS 2.0 goes on the same trajectory as 1.0. Here is a look at 2004-2011:

2004	Rutgers	4–7	1–5	6th
2005	Rutgers	7–5	4–3	3rd	L Insight
2006	Rutgers	11–2	5–2	T–2nd	W Texas	12	12
2007	Rutgers	8–5	3–4	T–5th	W International
2008	Rutgers	8–5	5–2	T–2nd	W Papajohns.com
2009	Rutgers	9–4	3–4	T–4th	W St. Petersburg
2010	Rutgers	4–8	1–6	8th
2011	Rutgers	9–4	4–3	T–4th	W Pinstripe

Pretty darn good, and very similar to Campbell?

Also, in a thread on X yesterday about firing James Franklin (which is ludicrous), UW and Fickell vs. Paul Chryst and possibly firer/buyer remorse?

First Chryst:

2015	Wisconsin	10–3	6–2	T–2nd (West)	W Holiday	21	21
2016	Wisconsin	11–3	7–2	1st (West)	W Cotton†	9	9
2017	Wisconsin	13–1	9–0	1st (West)	W Orange†	6	7
2018	Wisconsin	8–5	5–4	T–2nd (West)	W Pinstripe
2019	Wisconsin	10–4	7–2	T–1st (West)	L Rose†	13	11
2020	Wisconsin	4–3	3–3	3rd (West)	W Duke's Mayo
2021	Wisconsin	9–4	6–3	T–2nd (West)	W Las Vegas
2022	Wisconsin	2–3https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Chryst#cite_note-12

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Now Fickell (and its early)- not exactly lighting the world on fire, is he? With Oregon on the schedule, he is at best 7-5/5-4, and possibly worse.

2023	Wisconsin	7–6	5–4	T–2nd (West)	L ReliaQuest
2024	Wisconsin	5–4	3–3

Why hasn't Chryst been hired? He's doing nothing in football right now, it seems. He was apparently fired for "good reasons," but we shall see how long of a leash Fickell gets.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3661745/2022/10/06/paul-chryst-fired-wisconsin-jim-leonhard/

Five potential next steps for former Wisconsin head coach Paul Chryst

Five potential next steps for former Wisconsin head coach Paul Chryst

badgerswire.usatoday.com

I think there's a difference in comparing RU in the BE vs RU in the B10 and ISU in the B12. I've said this before but to me it's about fulfilling potential in whatever your location is...are you below it, getting about right or exceeding it. In the BE, RU was up near the top as far as resources, recruiting grounds etc...in the B10, that's not the same. So different expectation in each but it doesn't allow for being bad. ISU in the B12 is near the bottom tier, so what Campbell has done is a good job imo. Texas and OU leaving might increase their potential a little, same for KU but they're still bottom tier in the conference probably.

Chyrst did fine at Wisconsin but they might have felt he was slipping and was showing signs of slippage before even the B10 west dissolved. Fickell right now is doing probably just about what Chryst would've done but I'm assuming the schedule has gotten somewhat harder without the B10 west but haven't actually looked to know for sure.

 

[megadrone]

The answer to the poll, of course, is NIL. We still need a good NIL pot wheter or not we fire the coach. Either Schiano or the next coach needs it.

 

[Fat Koko]

This. Unless our budget for a new coach and staff is like $15 million Schiano might be the best we can do.

Our current budget for football staff is in the mid $20 millions. Last year, the amount spent on football coach and staff salaries and benefits was $22.3 million. With Greg's millions of raises baked in starting this year, the spending on coaches and staff is going higher fast, possibly matching the level of the B1G football blue bloods.

Here are actual football coach and football staff spending figures for fiscal 2023:

1 Ohio State $28,267,940
2 Michigan $26,658,364
3 Penn State $24,047,741
4 Rutgers $22,257,746
5 Michigan State $22,150,696
6 Iowa $21,443,220
7 Oregon $19,326,956
8 Wisconsin $18,847,243
9 Minnesota $17,799,387
10 Washington $16,922,430
11 Nebraska $16,684,289
12 UCLA $15,755,289
13 Illinois $15,549,228
14 Indiana $13,467,899
15 Maryland $13,380,006
16 Purdue $13,310,659

 

[Knight Shift]

I think there's a difference in comparing RU in the BE vs RU in the B10 and ISU in the B12. I've said this before but to me it's about fulfilling potential in whatever your location is...are you below it, getting about right or exceeding it. In the BE, RU was up near the top as far as resources, recruiting grounds etc...in the B10, that's not the same. So different expectation in each but it doesn't allow for being bad. ISU in the B12 is near the bottom tier, so what Campbell has done is a good job imo. Texas and OU leaving might increase their potential a little, same for KU but they're still bottom tier in the conference probably.

Chyrst did fine at Wisconsin but they might have felt he was slipping and was showing signs of slippage before even the B10 west dissolved. Fickell right now is doing probably just about what Chryst would've done but I'm assuming the schedule has gotten somewhat harder without the B10 west but haven't actually looked to know for sure.

Reading that article in the Athletic, it seems Chryst's major problem was he was loyal to a fault and did not hire a recruiting staff quickly enough. Wonder how much the AD could have leaned on Chryst and prodded him to be more proactive. But if he is interested in being a head coach again, it seems he should be at the top of a list of available head coaches.

We shall see on GS 2.0.

 

[rutgersal]

NIL yes. No proven experienced head coach would take the RUFB on those terms without tons of NIL support.

Your fieldhouse narrative is totally wrong. That's so far down the list of priorities that it's a joke that you keep bringing it up. Any money that could be spent on a fieldhouse should be diverted to NIL right now. Because no HS kid or transfer athlete considering RUFB at all is going to say: "The $1M in NIL funding is great, but never without a new fieldhouse". And any coach worth hiring knows this.

You might consider sticking your fieldhouse narrative into a drawer until NIL funding is in place, revenue-sharing is figured out and in place, and we have a coach staff with a proven track record of winning against tough competition.

If it’s so wrong, why are USC, Miami, and many other programs which are already big players in NIL, building their own state of the art facilities?
Why is Oregon expanding their already impressive facility? Why is Texas improving its facilities? Why did Penn State spend $70M to improve its facility? Syracuse is about to open up its football facility. All big players in NIL.

I’m not wrong. You simply don’t understand what it takes to be a successful college football program. You need both because our competition offers both. Sure if you have to choose, you prioritize NIL. But that doesn’t get us to competitive with our peers.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

@rutgersguy1 and I have advocated something similar before. ADs are like lemmings though and get rolled by agents regularly with stupid contracts. Any coach with a set of balls and confidence would go for something like this?

Base salary $4M. For every win greater than 5 or 6 wins, you get a $1M bonus. 10 wins, you get $9M. 12 wins, $11M. Further bonuses for advancing in CFP.



Don't get all the love for Matt Campbell. One 9-3 season in 8 years. 2021 and 2022 seasons would have Rutgers fans screaming for firing. Having a good year this year, which makes the point

2016	Iowa State	3–9	2–7	9th
2017	Iowa State	8–5	5–4	T–4th	W Liberty
2018	Iowa State	8–5	6–3	T–3rd	L Alamo
2019	Iowa State	7–6	5–4	T–3rd	L Camping World
2020	Iowa State	9–3	8–1	1st	W Fiesta†	9	9
2021	Iowa State	7–6	5–4	4th	L Cheez-It
2022	Iowa State	4–8	1–8	10th
2023	Iowa State	7–6	6–3	T–4th	L Liberty
2024	Iowa State	7–1	4–1
Iowa State:	60–49	42–35

ISU is a dead-end job that's he's somehow found decent success at

Massive little brother to Iowa in a state with no high school football talent for a program that's never won anything significant
What he's been able to do there has been tremendous

Also trying to be realistic as obviously I'd prefer Dabo, Kirby, Lincoln Riley, etc. but none of them are ever coming here

 

[Knight Shift]

ISU is a dead-end job that's he's somehow found decent success at

Massive little brother to Iowa in a state with no high school football talent for a program that's never won anything significant
What he's been able to do there has been tremendous

Also trying to be realistic as obviously I'd prefer Dabo, Kirby, Lincoln Riley, etc. but none of them are ever coming here

Matt C has had some pretty good wins too:
2017, beat Oklahoma, which ended season 12-2 and ranked #3, and #4 TCU
2018- beat #6 WVU, #6 Texas and #25 Oklahoma State
2019- beat #19 Texas
2020-beat #18 Oklahoma, #17 Texas and #25 Oregon in a bowl
2021- Beat #8 Oklahoma State
2023- Beat #19 K State
2024- Beat #21 Iowa

That's 12 wins against ranked teams, and those were not early season ranked teams that later collapsed. Impressive.

 

[Fat Koko]

If it’s so wrong, why are USC, Miami, and many other programs which are already big players in NIL, building their own state of the art facilities?
Why is Oregon expanding their already impressive facility? Why is Texas improving its facilities? Why did Penn State spend $70M to improve its facility? Syracuse is about to open up its football facility. All big players in NIL.

I’m not wrong. You simply don’t understand what it takes to be a successful college football program. You need both because our competition offers both. Sure if you have to choose, you prioritize NIL. But that doesn’t get us to competitive with our peers.

This answer is donations and ticket sales. Here is what B1G schools earned last year in donations and ticket sales.

In addition, it is easier for most B1G peers to borrow money for facilities projects because these departments earn profits that can help fund the debt service. Rutgers athletics department operates at a huge deficit, so Rutgers athletics must convince the university to fund sports facilities debt payments.

Ohio State $132,150,808
Michigan $108,472,145
Nebraska $99,217,359
Penn State $88,700,984
Wisconsin $84,955,629
Iowa $75,533,135
Michigan State $73,814,030
Washington $66,299,901
Oregon $64,696,245
Illinois $55,216,036
Minnesota $46,304,695
Indiana $44,610,350
Purdue $41,399,757
UCLA $35,798,708
Rutgers $22,793,792
Maryland $22,347,505

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Where is the selection for the Rutgersal Fieldhouse ?

 

[Plum Street]

The talk of firing schiano now is just ridiculous . He just had the second greatest season in our BIG history. Face it folks : Schiano may be the best we can do at this juncture.

He has taken us to a bowl twice in the BIG (yes asterisk 2020). He is not going anywhere anytime soon …the team would have to complete the collapse this year and win 4 or 5 games total over 2025 and 2026. Then maybe he will go into 2027 on the hot seat.

If he somehow manages to win 2 more games this year,, which is not a crazy thought , we will go to a stinko bowl and schiano buys himself 3 more years easy.

Now I don’t agree that my logic is the way to be …but it’s what’s gonna happen at rutgers